Okay Shaun,

Thanks for the redirect...sorry I did not know about the new addition.
Anyway, I think I found my answer here.

Patch management will be in the next release of ZEN (6.5)....I guess my
question is are we still to pay for client licenses or once that integrates
into 6.5 will our ZEN client licenses cover this?  Seems like it would but,
I just want to confirm that.  I guess Novell will just make 6.5 more
expensive. :-)

Does anyone know when the expected release date is after initial BETA?

thx.

Jeremy


------Originally posted in the zenworks.desktops.2x.install-setup
forum---------------
Does anybody in Sysop land know whether better (patch management) will be
included in the next release of ZEN (6.5?)  We have ZEN 6.0 and are under
upgrade maint.  however, I'm told the patch managment component is not
considered an upgrade, but extra.

I thought ZEN touted patch managment....I seem to remember in all the
marketing and documentation that it was a patch management tool.  If we are
to pay more for what ZEN is supposed to be doing in the first place...it's
going to be very hard for me to prevent SMS or whatever new confounded
product Microsoft is putting together (SMS and SUS combined) from invading
our already shaky ground with Novell.

I'm looking forward to 6.5 and like that Novell is adding (I guess)
Installshield type application control/creation tools.  I hope that patching
will be upgraded and not cut out of ZEN to form a different product ZEP
(Zero Effort Patching).  After all they went to the great trouble of
building a ZEN Suite product in the first place.

(Sorry if this got off topic - if there is a better place to pose this
question please let me know.)

Thanks guys!

Jeremy

Jeremy,

what you'll get with ZENworks 6.5 is a 100 machine, 90 day license for 
the product. Any more machines, or any longer period, and you'll need 
to buy licenses.

-- 

Shaun Pond
Novell Support Connection SysOp

So really this just a trial version.

Is the reason we are having to pay for this because Novell is basically
re-packaging the same product from Patchlink?  Is it truly identical to the
Patchlink products or is it watered down even after you pay for the
licenses?

I'd at least feel better knowing if it were identical to Patchlink and we
were getting the same technology for less by staying with Novell.  But, if
it's watered down like the Miramar DNA product....and we are to pay for it
as well...then I think I'd have an even tougher job selling this to my
superiors.  They already are telling me stuff like, "I thought we bought
into ZEN Works because it was the solution to solve our patching and
software metering needs."  Zenworks is a great product and I love it,
however it is falling behind in both these areas compared to third-party
products like Patchlink and other software metering utilities such as Altris
and the like.  Then when I try to lean on the stronger sides of Zenworks
like application management and inventory, my bosses come back and say..."I
think we could buy several small third-party applications and get rid of the
overhead of Zenworks and Netware and go with Active Directory for cost
savings (we are education)." (This statment just makes me cringe!)
http://www.msd.uga.edu/mca/ to see why Microsoft his thousands cheaper than
Novell at least for us.

Of course thankfully, Novell has taken on Linux which is becoming more and
more a selling point for education.  The only problem for Universities is
that we have to teach what the market requires and the market still requires
Windows.

I guess I'll be talking to my Novell sales rep.

Thanks for the info Shaun......

Thanks,
Jeremy



"Shaun Pond" <shaun@sysop.nsc> wrote in message
news:VA.00008b8b.00e58814@sysop.nsc...
> Jeremy,
>
> what you'll get with ZENworks 6.5 is a 100 machine, 90 day license for
> the product. Any more machines, or any longer period, and you'll need
> to buy licenses.
>
> -- 
>
> Shaun Pond
> Novell Support Connection SysOp
>

Jeremy,

it's identical, just the name is changed. There will be future 
development (we hope) to enable it to run on linux, for example, but 
for today it's just been rebadged

-- 

Shaun Pond
Novell Support Connection SysOp

>> http://www.msd.uga.edu/mca/ to see why Microsoft his thousands
>> cheaper than Novell at least for us.

You should talk to your Novell rep and have him check your discounts
as Novell has plans in place that should match or better Microsoft's.

Roger

"Jeremy Scott" <mjscott@valdosta.edu> wrote in message news:xKBac.14435$jb5.9977@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> So really this just a trial version.
>
> Is the reason we are having to pay for this because Novell is basically
> re-packaging the same product from Patchlink?  Is it truly identical to the
> Patchlink products or is it watered down even after you pay for the
> licenses?
>
> I'd at least feel better knowing if it were identical to Patchlink and we
> were getting the same technology for less by staying with Novell.  But, if
> it's watered down like the Miramar DNA product....and we are to pay for it
> as well...then I think I'd have an even tougher job selling this to my
> superiors.  They already are telling me stuff like, "I thought we bought
> into ZEN Works because it was the solution to solve our patching and
> software metering needs."  Zenworks is a great product and I love it,
> however it is falling behind in both these areas compared to third-party
> products like Patchlink and other software metering utilities such as Altris
> and the like.  Then when I try to lean on the stronger sides of Zenworks
> like application management and inventory, my bosses come back and say..."I
> think we could buy several small third-party applications and get rid of the
> overhead of Zenworks and Netware and go with Active Directory for cost
> savings (we are education)." (This statment just makes me cringe!)
> http://www.msd.uga.edu/mca/ to see why Microsoft his thousands cheaper than
> Novell at least for us.
>
> Of course thankfully, Novell has taken on Linux which is becoming more and
> more a selling point for education.  The only problem for Universities is
> that we have to teach what the market requires and the market still requires
> Windows.
>
> I guess I'll be talking to my Novell sales rep.
>
> Thanks for the info Shaun......
>
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> "Shaun Pond" <shaun@sysop.nsc> wrote in message
> news:VA.00008b8b.00e58814@sysop.nsc...
> > Jeremy,
> >
> > what you'll get with ZENworks 6.5 is a 100 machine, 90 day license for
> > the product. Any more machines, or any longer period, and you'll need
> > to buy licenses.
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Shaun Pond
> > Novell Support Connection SysOp
> >
>
>

Guys,

I have seen the press release & the educational price doesn't seem too 
bad.

However, I am unclear as to what you actually get for your money.

Is Patch Management a stand alone product?

Will it work with Zen4.01 or is it really an add on to ZfD6.5?

Keith Bailey
Computer Manager
Kingsbury High School
LONDON UK 

> >> http://www.msd.uga.edu/mca/ to see why Microsoft his thousands
> >> cheaper than Novell at least for us.
> 
> You should talk to your Novell rep and have him check your discounts
> as Novell has plans in place that should match or better Microsoft's.
> 
> Roger
> 
> "Jeremy Scott" <mjscott@valdosta.edu> wrote in message news:xKBac.14435
$jb5.9977@prv-forum2.provo.novell.com...
> > So really this just a trial version.
> >
> > Is the reason we are having to pay for this because Novell is 
basically
> > re-packaging the same product from Patchlink?  Is it truly identical 
to the
> > Patchlink products or is it watered down even after you pay for the
> > licenses?
> >
> > I'd at least feel better knowing if it were identical to Patchlink 
and we
> > were getting the same technology for less by staying with Novell.  
But, if
> > it's watered down like the Miramar DNA product....and we are to pay 
for it
> > as well...then I think I'd have an even tougher job selling this to my
> > superiors.  They already are telling me stuff like, "I thought we 
bought
> > into ZEN Works because it was the solution to solve our patching and
> > software metering needs."  Zenworks is a great product and I love it,
> > however it is falling behind in both these areas compared to third-
party
> > products like Patchlink and other software metering utilities such as 
Altris
> > and the like.  Then when I try to lean on the stronger sides of 
Zenworks
> > like application management and inventory, my bosses come back and 
say..."I
> > think we could buy several small third-party applications and get rid 
of the
> > overhead of Zenworks and Netware and go with Active Directory for cost
> > savings (we are education)." (This statment just makes me cringe!)
> > http://www.msd.uga.edu/mca/ to see why Microsoft his thousands 
cheaper than
> > Novell at least for us.
> >
> > Of course thankfully, Novell has taken on Linux which is becoming 
more and
> > more a selling point for education.  The only problem for 
Universities is
> > that we have to teach what the market requires and the market still 
requires
> > Windows.
> >
> > I guess I'll be talking to my Novell sales rep.
> >
> > Thanks for the info Shaun......
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
> >
> > "Shaun Pond" <shaun@sysop.nsc> wrote in message
> > news:VA.00008b8b.00e58814@sysop.nsc...
> > > Jeremy,
> > >
> > > what you'll get with ZENworks 6.5 is a 100 machine, 90 day license 
for
> > > the product. Any more machines, or any longer period, and you'll 
need
> > > to buy licenses.
> > >
> > > -- 
> > >
> > > Shaun Pond
> > > Novell Support Connection SysOp
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 

It's included with 6.5, but it is a separate product 

-- 

Shaun Pond
Novell Support Connection SysOp

When you receive the patch files on your patch link server what format are they in?
Can they be used as is?  For example could you just use Zen to force run them back out or are they encrypted?
Cheers





Shaun Hutchison