Netware 6.5 SP7 Upgrade and new install-DS version issue

Two days ago, I upgraded two Netware 6.5 Servers to SP7. Today I
installed a new third server with 6.5 SP7. When I run dsrepair and
check synchronization, I get the following

Server 1     DS Version       10553.73
Server 2     DS Version       10510.64
Server 3     DS Version       20216.51        (NEW)

Do I need to upgrade the Edirectory on the first two servers? If so,
what risk do I run, and how soon would I need to do that? Please
advise.


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fcompagnari wrote:

> 
> Two days ago, I upgraded two Netware 6.5 Servers to SP7. Today I
> installed a new third server with 6.5 SP7. When I run dsrepair and
> check synchronization, I get the following
> 
> Server 1     DS Version       10553.73
> Server 2     DS Version       10510.64
> Server 3     DS Version       20216.51        (NEW)
> 
> Do I need to upgrade the Edirectory on the first two servers? If so,
> what risk do I run, and how soon would I need to do that? Please
> advise.

When you install a server with the nw65sp7 overlay cd's you'll get eDir
8.8. When you patch from an earlier version to sp7 you'll stay on eDir
8.7. No need to upgrade. Just get server1 and server2 on the same
version.

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Edward
6/9/2008 2:34:55 AM
Edward,
Thanks for the direction. On the server carrying the master
replica, I am running EDir 8.62, and on the other existing server
carrying the read/write replica, I am running EDir 8.73, and finally on
the New OES Netware sp7 server, I am running EDir 8.8. Since I have
alread run the sp7 patch on these servers, can I gi back and run
nwconfig and install EDir 8.7 on the server running 8.6? Please
advise.

Edward van der Maas;1574765 Wrote: 
> fcompagnari wrote:
> 
> >
> > Two days ago, I upgraded two Netware 6.5 Servers to SP7. Today I
> > installed a new third server with 6.5 SP7. When I run dsrepair and
> > check synchronization, I get the following
> >
> > Server 1     DS Version       10553.73
> > Server 2     DS Version       10510.64
> > Server 3     DS Version       20216.51        (NEW)
> >
> > Do I need to upgrade the Edirectory on the first two servers? If so,
> > what risk do I run, and how soon would I need to do that? Please
> > advise.
> 
> When you install a server with the nw65sp7 overlay cd's you'll get
> eDir
> 8.8. When you patch from an earlier version to sp7 you'll stay on eDir
> 8.7. No need to upgrade. Just get server1 and server2 on the same
> version.
> 
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> Cheers,
> Edward


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6/9/2008 3:26:01 AM
fcompagnari wrote:

> On the server carrying the master
> replica, I am running EDir 8.62,

I would recommend upgrading this to the latest version of 8.7.3.x from 
http://download.novell.com.


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Peter
6/9/2008 7:51:32 AM
Your server2 does not have eDirectory 8.6.x, but rather 8.7.1 as opposed 
to 8.7.3 as it should have.
Nommally, your support pack install should have updated your eDirectory 
version to 8.7.3.9 while installing SP7. The faact that it didn't is a 
very bad sign and typically indicates that your product database is 
corrupted. The consequence of this is not just that your eDirectory does 
not get updated, but many other components on the servert or not getting 
updated by a support pack either. Thefore, the first step should not be to 
just install eDirectory 8.7.3 on this server, but first to find out what 
happened and what else on your server may be in a bad state.

As a first step, I suggest you therefore give us a view on your server 
confg for server 2.

For this, could you download the latest config.nlm from
http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=C6he4eKewtU~ , install it to
the sys:system directory of your server and then from the server console,
execute the following command:
load config /sma1bjue

Review the resulting config.txt file to remove any passwords and other
security relevant information and then post it here. To avoid your post
from being rejected, you might have to ZIP the resulting file to reduce
its size and also add the string "[file]" to the message subject so that
you disable the binary file filter of the news server.

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Marcel
6/9/2008 12:29:00 PM
fcompagnari wrote:

> 
> Edward,
> Thanks for the direction. On the server carrying the master
> replica, I am running EDir 8.62, and on the other existing server
> carrying the read/write replica, I am running EDir 8.73, and finally
> on the New OES Netware sp7 server, I am running EDir 8.8. Since I have
> alread run the sp7 patch on these servers, can I gi back and run
> nwconfig and install EDir 8.7 on the server running 8.6?

huh ? You have NetWare 6.5 Sp7 but it has eDir 8.6.2 ?


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Edward
6/9/2008 12:52:40 PM
Edward,
It seems that the nwconfig is reporting that I have 8.62, but others in
this forums say it is actuallt 8.71. Please see other replies.
I am pulling a test config.nlm to run on the server. Pleease feel free
to look it over and respond.

Edward van der Maas;1574947 Wrote: 
> fcompagnari wrote:
> 
> >
> > Edward,
> > Thanks for the direction. On the server carrying the master
> > replica, I am running EDir 8.62, and on the other existing server
> > carrying the read/write replica, I am running EDir 8.73, and finally
> > on the New OES Netware sp7 server, I am running EDir 8.8. Since I
> have
> > alread run the sp7 patch on these servers, can I gi back and run
> > nwconfig and install EDir 8.7 on the server running 8.6?
> 
> huh ? You have NetWare 6.5 Sp7 but it has eDir 8.6.2 ?
> 
> 
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Marcel_Cox;1574933 Wrote: 
> Your server2 does not have eDirectory 8.6.x, but rather 8.7.1 as
> opposed
> to 8.7.3 as it should have.
> Nommally, your support pack install should have updated your
> eDirectory
> version to 8.7.3.9 while installing SP7. The faact that it didn't is a
> very bad sign and typically indicates that your product database is
> corrupted. The consequence of this is not just that your eDirectory
> does
> not get updated, but many other components on the servert or not
> getting
> updated by a support pack either. Thefore, the first step should not be
> to
> just install eDirectory 8.7.3 on this server, but first to find out
> what
> happened and what else on your server may be in a bad state.
> 
> As a first step, I suggest you therefore give us a view on your server
> confg for server 2.
> 
> For this, could you download the latest config.nlm from
> 'NOVELL: Downloads'
> (http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=C6he4eKewtU~) , install it
> to
> the sys:system directory of your server and then from the server
> console,
> execute the following command:
> load config /sma1bjue
> 
> Review the resulting config.txt file to remove any passwords and other
> security relevant information and then post it here. To avoid your
> post
> from being rejected, you might have to ZIP the resulting file to
> reduce
> its size and also add the string "[file]" to the message subject so
> that
> you disable the binary file filter of the news server.
> 
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6/9/2008 3:26:02 PM
Ok, the source of your problem is btrieve 8.50. I assume you had this 
version of Btrieve installed before you upgraded to NetWare 6.5 and 
because the NetWare 6.5 upgrade does not look at Btrieve, it installs 
whatever version is included with NetWare 6.5 (e.g. an older version) 
which is then unable to open the products database and while the upgrade 
itself went OK, the product information was not updated.
While this btrieve problem itself now seems to be fixed (the product 
database entries are visible in config.txt), the initial product versions 
reported in the product database are wrong and in the case of eDirectory 
and eDirectory related products, the support pack install script won't 
touch eDirectory if it sees a version installed that is different from the 
version normally found on this NetWare version.
In your case, eDirectory shows version 8.6.2 and the suport pack installs 
left that alone.
Some other eDirectory related services like NMAS and the Certificate 
server are also affected by this version mismatch.

Here is how you should proceed to bring that server into a good shape again:

1) Fix your autoexec.ncf. While not directly related to the eDirectory 
version problem, your autoexec.ncf does have some problems that could 
cause issues and it is best to fix those problems now. I will just quote 
the few lines that need to be changed with "xxx" at the beginning of a 
line indicating the line needing to be deleted and an "+++" at the 
beginning of the line indicating you need to add that line:

xxx MOUNT ALL
xxx IPMINIT.NCF

load conlog  maximum=100
+++ bstart.ncf
; Network driver LOADs and BINDs are initiated via
; INITSYS.NCF. The actual LOAD and BIND commands
######## End Drivers/Protocols ########
; are contained in INITSYS.NCF and NETINFO.CFG.
; These files are in SYS:ETC.
sys:etc\initsys.ncf
+++ MOUNT ALL
+++ IPMINIT.NCF

Also remove bstart later on from your autoexec.ncf.
Here is the reason for the changes:
- bstart.ncf starts btrieve. For btrieve 8.50 it is essential that it is 
started through bstart.ncf. Otherwise, it will be loaded automatically 
form initsys.ncf without the correct startup parameters
- mount all is not that essential but it is typically executed after the 
network is initialized
- ipminit.ncf is the IP address management tool and it *must* be loaded 
after the network is initialized

Once you have corrected your autoexec.ncf, the next step is to manually 
upgrade to eDirectory 8.7.3.x. You do this with the edir_873_ir3_nw.iso 
installation CD from the following download location:
http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=NUBsf-ZwOaE~
It is *essential* that you use the IR3 installation as the other older 
installation CD has bugs in the instation code that could make the upgrade 
go wrong.
Finally, once you have upgraded your server to eDriectory 8.7.3 this way, 
reapply SP7. This will bring your eDirectory to version 8.7.3.9 and it 
will also update NMAS and the Certificate server.

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Marcel
6/9/2008 4:49:39 PM
Marcel,
Thank you for this vital information. Once I upgrade this server as
suggested, should I then go on and upgrade the two older servers with
the 8.8 from the OES Netware Discs? Please advise.

Marcel_Cox;1575209 Wrote: 
> Ok, the source of your problem is btrieve 8.50. I assume you had this
> version of Btrieve installed before you upgraded to NetWare 6.5 and
> because the NetWare 6.5 upgrade does not look at Btrieve, it installs
> whatever version is included with NetWare 6.5 (e.g. an older version)
> which is then unable to open the products database and while the
> upgrade
> itself went OK, the product information was not updated.
> While this btrieve problem itself now seems to be fixed (the product
> database entries are visible in config.txt), the initial product
> versions
> reported in the product database are wrong and in the case of
> eDirectory
> and eDirectory related products, the support pack install script won't
> touch eDirectory if it sees a version installed that is different from
> the
> version normally found on this NetWare version.
> In your case, eDirectory shows version 8.6.2 and the suport pack
> installs
> left that alone.
> Some other eDirectory related services like NMAS and the Certificate
> server are also affected by this version mismatch.
> 
> Here is how you should proceed to bring that server into a good shape
> again:
> 
> 1) Fix your autoexec.ncf. While not directly related to the eDirectory
> version problem, your autoexec.ncf does have some problems that could
> cause issues and it is best to fix those problems now. I will just
> quote
> the few lines that need to be changed with "xxx" at the beginning of a
> line indicating the line needing to be deleted and an "+++" at the
> beginning of the line indicating you need to add that line:
> 
> xxx MOUNT ALL
> xxx IPMINIT.NCF
> 
> load conlog  maximum=100
> +++ bstart.ncf
> ; Network driver LOADs and BINDs are initiated via
> ; INITSYS.NCF. The actual LOAD and BIND commands
> ######## End Drivers/Protocols ########
> ; are contained in INITSYS.NCF and NETINFO.CFG.
> ; These files are in SYS:ETC.
> sys:etc\initsys.ncf
> +++ MOUNT ALL
> +++ IPMINIT.NCF
> 
> Also remove bstart later on from your autoexec.ncf.
> Here is the reason for the changes:
> - bstart.ncf starts btrieve. For btrieve 8.50 it is essential that it
> is
> started through bstart.ncf. Otherwise, it will be loaded automatically
> form initsys.ncf without the correct startup parameters
> - mount all is not that essential but it is typically executed after
> the
> network is initialized
> - ipminit.ncf is the IP address management tool and it *must* be
> loaded
> after the network is initialized
> 
> Once you have corrected your autoexec.ncf, the next step is to
> manually
> upgrade to eDirectory 8.7.3.x. You do this with the
> edir_873_ir3_nw.iso
> installation CD from the following download location:
> 'NOVELL: Downloads'
> (http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=NUBsf-ZwOaE~)
> It is *essential* that you use the IR3 installation as the other older
> installation CD has bugs in the instation code that could make the
> upgrade
> go wrong.
> Finally, once you have upgraded your server to eDriectory 8.7.3 this
> way,
> reapply SP7. This will bring your eDirectory to version 8.7.3.9 and it
> will also update NMAS and the Certificate server.
> 
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6/9/2008 7:46:02 PM
fcompagnari wrote:

>  should I then go on and upgrade the two older servers with
>the 8.8 from the OES Netware Discs?

No. You can only upgrade with the eDirectory 8.8.2 download files. The OEs 
NetWare disks can only be used for new installations, not for upgrades.

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6/9/2008 9:03:03 PM
Marcel,
As per your direction, I made all the changes in the autoexec.ncf. I
also created a cd from the file: edir_873_ir3_nw.iso. When I try to
install it, it 
states that only certain NW 5.1 and 6 servers can be upgraded to this.
If you run nwconfig and look at the installed prdcuts, it still show up
as 8.6.2. Any thoughts? 

Marcel_Cox;1575209 Wrote: 
> Ok, the source of your problem is btrieve 8.50. I assume you had this
> version of Btrieve installed before you upgraded to NetWare 6.5 and
> because the NetWare 6.5 upgrade does not look at Btrieve, it installs
> whatever version is included with NetWare 6.5 (e.g. an older version)
> which is then unable to open the products database and while the
> upgrade
> itself went OK, the product information was not updated.
> While this btrieve problem itself now seems to be fixed (the product
> database entries are visible in config.txt), the initial product
> versions
> reported in the product database are wrong and in the case of
> eDirectory
> and eDirectory related products, the support pack install script won't
> touch eDirectory if it sees a version installed that is different from
> the
> version normally found on this NetWare version.
> In your case, eDirectory shows version 8.6.2 and the suport pack
> installs
> left that alone.
> Some other eDirectory related services like NMAS and the Certificate
> server are also affected by this version mismatch.
> 
> Here is how you should proceed to bring that server into a good shape
> again:
> 
> 1) Fix your autoexec.ncf. While not directly related to the eDirectory
> version problem, your autoexec.ncf does have some problems that could
> cause issues and it is best to fix those problems now. I will just
> quote
> the few lines that need to be changed with "xxx" at the beginning of a
> line indicating the line needing to be deleted and an "+++" at the
> beginning of the line indicating you need to add that line:
> 
> xxx MOUNT ALL
> xxx IPMINIT.NCF
> 
> load conlog  maximum=100
> +++ bstart.ncf
> ; Network driver LOADs and BINDs are initiated via
> ; INITSYS.NCF. The actual LOAD and BIND commands
> ######## End Drivers/Protocols ########
> ; are contained in INITSYS.NCF and NETINFO.CFG.
> ; These files are in SYS:ETC.
> sys:etc\initsys.ncf
> +++ MOUNT ALL
> +++ IPMINIT.NCF
> 
> Also remove bstart later on from your autoexec.ncf.
> Here is the reason for the changes:
> - bstart.ncf starts btrieve. For btrieve 8.50 it is essential that it
> is
> started through bstart.ncf. Otherwise, it will be loaded automatically
> form initsys.ncf without the correct startup parameters
> - mount all is not that essential but it is typically executed after
> the
> network is initialized
> - ipminit.ncf is the IP address management tool and it *must* be
> loaded
> after the network is initialized
> 
> Once you have corrected your autoexec.ncf, the next step is to
> manually
> upgrade to eDirectory 8.7.3.x. You do this with the
> edir_873_ir3_nw.iso
> installation CD from the following download location:
> 'NOVELL: Downloads'
> (http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=NUBsf-ZwOaE~)
> It is *essential* that you use the IR3 installation as the other older
> installation CD has bugs in the instation code that could make the
> upgrade
> go wrong.
> Finally, once you have upgraded your server to eDriectory 8.7.3 this
> way,
> reapply SP7. This will bring your eDirectory to version 8.7.3.9 and it
> will also update NMAS and the Certificate server.
> 
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fcompagnari wrote:

>states that only certain NW 5.1 and 6 servers can be upgraded to this.
>If you run nwconfig and look at the installed prdcuts, it still show up
>as 8.6.2. Any thoughts?

In that case, you need to "manually" update your product database. The 
following TID describes the way you do it:

http://support.novell.com/docs/Tids/Solutions/10063842.html

Based on that TID, create an IPS file that updates the product numbers for 
the products that have wrong versions. Use product version numbers that 
are just below the versions found on a proper SP7 server. The reinstall 
SP7 on the problem server. This should then update the problem products to 
the correct versions.

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Marcel
6/15/2008 9:12:53 AM
I have downloaded and created the NW EDIR 8.7.3 Disco (from
edir_873_ir3_nw.iso). When I try to install thes, I gewt the following
notification:

This installation con only be run on a Netware 5.1 Server (with Support
Pack 5.1.6) or a Netware 6 Server (with Support Pack Version 6.0.3).

Press enter to continue:

The installation then ends. Am I missing something??

Marcel_Cox;1575209 Wrote: 
> Ok, the source of your problem is btrieve 8.50. I assume you had this
> version of Btrieve installed before you upgraded to NetWare 6.5 and
> because the NetWare 6.5 upgrade does not look at Btrieve, it installs
> whatever version is included with NetWare 6.5 (e.g. an older version)
> which is then unable to open the products database and while the
> upgrade
> itself went OK, the product information was not updated.
> While this btrieve problem itself now seems to be fixed (the product
> database entries are visible in config.txt), the initial product
> versions
> reported in the product database are wrong and in the case of
> eDirectory
> and eDirectory related products, the support pack install script won't
> touch eDirectory if it sees a version installed that is different from
> the
> version normally found on this NetWare version.
> In your case, eDirectory shows version 8.6.2 and the suport pack
> installs
> left that alone.
> Some other eDirectory related services like NMAS and the Certificate
> server are also affected by this version mismatch.
> 
> Here is how you should proceed to bring that server into a good shape
> again:
> 
> 1) Fix your autoexec.ncf. While not directly related to the eDirectory
> version problem, your autoexec.ncf does have some problems that could
> cause issues and it is best to fix those problems now. I will just
> quote
> the few lines that need to be changed with "xxx" at the beginning of a
> line indicating the line needing to be deleted and an "+++" at the
> beginning of the line indicating you need to add that line:
> 
> xxx MOUNT ALL
> xxx IPMINIT.NCF
> 
> load conlog  maximum=100
> +++ bstart.ncf
> ; Network driver LOADs and BINDs are initiated via
> ; INITSYS.NCF. The actual LOAD and BIND commands
> ######## End Drivers/Protocols ########
> ; are contained in INITSYS.NCF and NETINFO.CFG.
> ; These files are in SYS:ETC.
> sys:etc\initsys.ncf
> +++ MOUNT ALL
> +++ IPMINIT.NCF
> 
> Also remove bstart later on from your autoexec.ncf.
> Here is the reason for the changes:
> - bstart.ncf starts btrieve. For btrieve 8.50 it is essential that it
> is
> started through bstart.ncf. Otherwise, it will be loaded automatically
> form initsys.ncf without the correct startup parameters
> - mount all is not that essential but it is typically executed after
> the
> network is initialized
> - ipminit.ncf is the IP address management tool and it *must* be
> loaded
> after the network is initialized
> 
> Once you have corrected your autoexec.ncf, the next step is to
> manually
> upgrade to eDirectory 8.7.3.x. You do this with the
> edir_873_ir3_nw.iso
> installation CD from the following download location:
> 'NOVELL: Downloads'
> (http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=NUBsf-ZwOaE~)
> It is *essential* that you use the IR3 installation as the other older
> installation CD has bugs in the instation code that could make the
> upgrade
> go wrong.
> Finally, once you have upgraded your server to eDriectory 8.7.3 this
> way,
> reapply SP7. This will bring your eDirectory to version 8.7.3.9 and it
> will also update NMAS and the Certificate server.
> 
> --
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fcompagnari
6/21/2008 2:46:01 PM
fcompagnari wrote:

>I have downloaded and created the NW EDIR 8.7.3 Disco (from
>edir_873_ir3_nw.iso). When I try to install thes, I gewt the following
>notification:
>
>This installation con only be run on a Netware 5.1 Server (with Support
>Pack 5.1.6) or a Netware 6 Server (with Support Pack Version 6.0.3).

You already told that a couple of days ago and I gave you an alternate 
suggestion on how to proceed.

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Marcel
6/21/2008 7:53:49 PM
Marcel,
My apologies, I misread your suggestion to update to closest, and
changed the products.dat file to read what it really was set at. I have
since changed that and am completely up to good patches. Both older
servers are on 8.7.3.9 and the new server is 8.8. thanks for all your
help on this. 

Marcel_Cox;1583538 Wrote: 
> fcompagnari wrote:
> 
> >I have downloaded and created the NW EDIR 8.7.3 Disco (from
> >edir_873_ir3_nw.iso). When I try to install thes, I gewt the
> following
> >notification:
> >
> >This installation con only be run on a Netware 5.1 Server (with
> Support
> >Pack 5.1.6) or a Netware 6 Server (with Support Pack Version 6.0.3).
> 
> You already told that a couple of days ago and I gave you an alternate
> suggestion on how to proceed.
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