Has anyone successfully installed NW5 on motherboard supporting only
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It would be totally up the vendor that makes the card that goes into your 
PCIe slot to provide the driver - given NW5 hasn't been supported for 
years, doubt any vendors have any such certified/supported drivers.


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My motherboard indicates that it has the RT8111E chip for its onboard
lan which is passing through the PCIe route. I got the netware driver
from realtek website. but when i'm installing, it always fails. It says
fails to load RTGESRV.LAN. I beieve i got the right driver.


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On 31/05/2011 03:36, van sean wrote:

> My motherboard indicates that it has the RT8111E chip for its onboard
> lan which is passing through the PCIe route. I got the netware driver
> from realtek website. but when i'm installing, it always fails. It says
> fails to load RTGESRV.LAN. I beieve i got the right driver.

Was this the download on Realtek's website labelled "Novell server 
driver (Support OS 5.X and 6.X"?

If so, that would suggest that it should work.

You say you have NW5 but is this NetWare 5.0 or 5.1?

Which support pack do you have installed?

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Hi simon,
Yes, it's the novell server driver OS 5.x and 6.x. and as you also
believe, i think it is the right driver. because i also tried other
drivers wherein Netware will not let me continue. Unlike this one, it
continues yet after a while it informs me that driver instance failed to
load ... (The device supported by the driver might be disabled).

I'm installing the Netware 5.0 server. I'm also using this guide
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Download_Area/ATW_Library/NetWare_5.x/NW5__2-Tip-Serial-ATA_SATA_Support_in_NetWare_5_0.pdf

then after installing, I'll install the sp6a.

PS. I've encountered the same error before but on a totally different
motherboard and driver wherein i used exxternal PCI adapter. The problem
before was luckily solved when i enabled the PCI BUS MASTER feature on
the motherboard. My current motherboard is Gigabyte GA-H67M-D2-B3. It
does not have PCI. and i tried a long time trying different settings in
the BIOS. Maybe you can help me find the right settings on the BIOS.
Because all i understand is if the Onboard LAN Controller is Enabled, it
should work, since i want to use the onboard LAN. I'm not familiar with
the other settings that should concern the network adapter. Hope you can
help. the manual for the board is available in their website.


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On 31/05/2011 14:36, van sean wrote:

> Yes, it's the novell server driver OS 5.x and 6.x. and as you also
> believe, i think it is the right driver. because i also tried other
> drivers wherein Netware will not let me continue. Unlike this one, it
> continues yet after a while it informs me that driver instance failed to
> load ... (The device supported by the driver might be disabled).
>
> I'm installing the Netware 5.0 server. I'm also using this guide
> http://www.answersthatwork.com/Download_Area/ATW_Library/NetWare_5.x/NW5__2-Tip-Serial-ATA_SATA_Support_in_NetWare_5_0.pdf
>
> then after installing, I'll install the sp6a.

So you haven't got an existing NetWare 5.0 server that you're trying to 
use this NIC with but are doing a fresh install?

If so, is there a particular reason that you're installing NetWare 5.0?

Whilst the download would suggest it should work for NetWare 5.0 I'm 
wondering whether it would behave better with NetWare 5.1 with the 
latest (last) Support Pack, SP8.

The reason for thinking that is NW5.1 shares some libraries with NW6.0 & 
NW6.5, in particular the CLIB & DSAPI libraries (similar between NW5.1 
SP8, NW6.0 SP5 & NW6.5 SP6).

> PS. I've encountered the same error before but on a totally different
> motherboard and driver wherein i used exxternal PCI adapter. The problem
> before was luckily solved when i enabled the PCI BUS MASTER feature on
> the motherboard. My current motherboard is Gigabyte GA-H67M-D2-B3. It
> does not have PCI. and i tried a long time trying different settings in
> the BIOS. Maybe you can help me find the right settings on the BIOS.
> Because all i understand is if the Onboard LAN Controller is Enabled, it
> should work, since i want to use the onboard LAN. I'm not familiar with
> the other settings that should concern the network adapter. Hope you can
> help. the manual for the board is available in their website.

What, if any, error message is reported when you try and load the new 
LAN driver?

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hi Simon,
Yes, it's a fresh install. We have been using NW5 way before upto now
and we would like to upgrade the hardware. Upgrading to nw5.1 or higher
will mean more cost to us without any benefit since our system is so
simple.

Here's the error:
"The following driver instance failed to load and will be deleted:
C:\NWUPDATE\RTGESRV.LAN  SLOT=10014  FRAME=ETHERNET_802.2 
NAME=RTGESRV_1_E82
(The device supported by the driver may be disabled.)"

Glad you are trying to help. Thanks


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On 01/06/2011 11:36, van sean wrote:

> Yes, it's a fresh install. We have been using NW5 way before upto now
> and we would like to upgrade the hardware. Upgrading to nw5.1 or higher
> will mean more cost to us without any benefit since our system is so
> simple.

So simple yet so difficult! ;-)

If I remember correctly there is no consolidated overlay CD/DVD of 
NetWare 5.0 with Support Pack 6 included (that started with NW5.1 SPx) 
so you must be installing "plain" NetWare 5.0.

> Here's the error:
> "The following driver instance failed to load and will be deleted:
> C:\NWUPDATE\RTGESRV.LAN  SLOT=10014  FRAME=ETHERNET_802.2
> NAME=RTGESRV_1_E82
> (The device supported by the driver may be disabled.)"

Does the install continue (to completion) if you don't load the LAN driver?

I'm thinking here that if you can get NW5.0 installed you can then patch 
it with SP6a and we can see if the LAN driver will then load.

If it does then this might be the way forward, installing server into 
it's own tree but then once patched, or more specifically once LAN 
driver loads, remove DS from it and insert into your production tree. 
Unless of course this will be the only server in your tree?

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Yup, CD is just plain NW5.
Installation won't continue without any network. I tried putting
odineb.nlm, msm.nlm of sp6a in C:\NWUPDATE but it also failed the same
way.
On another note, how do you install a server in its own tree? or how do
you know if the server is in a production or in its own tree?
Because upon installation, you just fill in the blanks in the Directory
Services Screen and everything just goes into place once installation is
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Van sean,
> On another note, how do you install a server in its own tree? or how do
> you know if the server is in a production or in its own tree?
>
At one point the install asks for Existing or New tree.

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Ah yes, so i choose Existing if i want to put it in production and new
tree if i want to put it in its own tree? or is it the other way around?


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Van sean,
> , so i choose Existing if i want to put it in production and new
> tree if i want to put it in its own tree?
>
Yes. If you make a temp tree, then make sure that both tree and server 
names are unique. Ie TEMP_SERVER, TEMP_TREE

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On 01/06/2011 15:36, van sean wrote:

> Yup, CD is just plain NW5.
> Installation won't continue without any network. I tried putting
> odineb.nlm, msm.nlm of sp6a in C:\NWUPDATE but it also failed the same
> way.

Okay I've now got myself a NW5 CD(!) and am trying this out in a virtual 
machine (so it's not matching your exact hardware).

I suspect the new RTGESRV.LAN driver requires newer files that 
(hopefully) are in SP6a - whilst MSM.NLM would probably be one, 
ETHERTSM.NLM would be another but then there will be others.

However I've found that whilst Novell didn't create a consolidated CD of 
NW5 + SP6a they did the next best thing - they published instructions 
and files to create your own.  This is available @ 
http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=Vwi_90Zeswk~

Whilst it appears to be aimed at SP2 I've no reason to think it 
shouldn't work for SP6a.  I'm in the process of going through the steps 
myself with SP6a but I won't know if this will work for you because of 
my different (virtual) hardware.

If this doesn't work then I can think of two other possible ways forward:

1) try with another, physical NIC in the hope drivers will "just work" 
(in reality unlikely since newer PCIe NIC will likely require newer driver)

2) copy quite a few more updated NLMs, etc. into c:\nwupdate

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On 02/06/2011 13:51, Simon Flood wrote:

> Whilst it appears to be aimed at SP2 I've no reason to think it
> shouldn't work for SP6a. I'm in the process of going through the steps
> myself with SP6a but I won't know if this will work for you because of
> my different (virtual) hardware.

Right not quite as simple as it first seemed - the process of putting 
together a set of files is correct but creating the CD results in a 
non-bootable CD.  I think I may have to switch to a Linux box to 
actually do this satisfactorily.

Re-reading the readme associated with the nwsp2aai patch I think you 
actually should end up with a CD that will install NW5.0 and then patch 
with SPx at the end ... which doesn't help you in this case.

However the two batch files supplied are of interest, in particular 
frontend.bat which the readme notes "will patch at the front of the 
install and also at the end."

Checking frontend.bat it copies various sets of files to c:\nwupdate 
before running the install so it might be worth trying the same thing 
yourself without going through hoops to create the combined NW5.0+SP6a CD.

You should therefore try copying the following files from NW50SP6A:

- misc\nwupdate\*.*            to c:\nwupdate
- products\prends\system\*.NLM to c:\nwupdate
- startup\*.EXE                to c:\nwupdate
- startup\*.NLM                to c:\nwupdate
- startup\nls\*.MSG            to c:\nwupdate\nls
- sys\system\*.NLM             to c:\nwupdate
- sys\system\SYSCALLS.NLM      to c:\nwupdate\sys
- sys\system\nls\*.MSG         to c:\nwupdate\nls

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hi simon,

thanks for helping me out. i'm have question with the *.msg from the
nls. How do i copy them to the nwupdate because both nls folder from sys
and startup have subfolders. do i make subfolders also? their subfolders
also have the same name.

on the other hand, would you know if multi-cores would work with
netware 5? or do i need to configure anything to make multi cores work?
is there a way to know if the cores are being utilized? so that i would
know if i need to invest in multi-core processors or simply get the ones
with the highest clock speed with minimal cores.

thanks again
sean


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Van sean,
> on the other hand, would you know if multi-cores would work with
> netware 5? or do i need to configure anything to make multi cores work?
> is there a way to know if the cores are being utilized? so that i would
> know if i need to invest in multi-core processors or simply get the ones
> with the highest clock speed with minimal cores.
>
In one word: Don't!

NetWare is IO-bound, not CPU-bound. While NW 6.5 will be able to leverage 
multiple processors when running as an appserver, you will see zero 
benefit on 5.x, running as a fileserver.

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hi anders,
thanks for that info. you saved me a lot of money. how about RAM?
I currently have 1pc. 2gb ddr3 1333 installed. My board supports 2 x
DDR3 DIMM slots.
Supports Dual Channel DDR3 1333/1066/800 MHz
would adding more help? or what is the max that netware 5 can use?

sean


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Van sean,
> thanks for that info. you saved me a lot of money. how about RAM?
> I currently have 1pc. 2gb ddr3 1333 installed. My board supports 2 x
> DDR3 DIMM slots.
> Supports Dual Channel DDR3 1333/1066/800 MHz
> would adding more help? or what is the max that netware 5 can use?

4Gb maximum as NW is a 32-bit OS.

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On 04/06/2011 05:06, van sean wrote:

> thanks for helping me out. i'm have question with the *.msg from the
> nls. How do i copy them to the nwupdate because both nls folder from sys
> and startup have subfolders. do i make subfolders also? their subfolders
> also have the same name.

My bad as I didn't make that as clear as I could've done.

You need to keep the directory structure from the original. The 
following is what frontend.bat copies before starting the install:

xcopy \nw5sp\misc\nwupdate\*.* c:\nwupdate /s /e /v /y
xcopy \nw5sp\products\prends\system\*.NLM c:\nwupdate /s /e /v /y
xcopy \nw5sp\startup\*.EXE c:\nwupdate /e /v /y
xcopy \nw5sp\startup\*.NLM c:\nwupdate /e /v /y
xcopy \nw5sp\startup\nls\*.MSG c:\nwupdate\nls /e /v /y
xcopy \nw5sp\sys\system\*.NLM c:\nwupdate /e /v /y
xcopy \nw5sp\sys\system\SYSCALLS.NLM c:\nwupdate\sys\ /e /v /y
xcopy \nw5sp\sys\system\nls\*.MSG c:\nwupdate\nls /s /e /v /y

\nw5sp is the directory containing the NW5 Support Pack (SP2 in this 
case but it should be valid for SP6a).

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Hi Anders, 
thanks for the info. Currently, i have 2gb installed. However, when i
checked monitor>system resources>memory statistics, cache buffer memory
does not go below 80% for the whole day. Does that mean I already have
more than enough memory as of now? Or am i looking at the wrong area?
thanks,
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thanks simon,
really appreciate you going all through this to help me. i'll try this
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Van sean,
> Hi Anders, 
> thanks for the info. Currently, i have 2gb installed. However, when i
> checked monitor>system resources>memory statistics, cache buffer memory
> does not go below 80% for the whole day. Does that mean I already have
> more than enough memory as of now? Or am i looking at the wrong area?
> thanks,
> sean

Cache buffer memory is a bad metric these days. Are your volumes NSS or 
TFS?

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AndersG;2112081 Wrote: 
> Van sean,
> > Hi Anders,
> > thanks for the info. Currently, i have 2gb installed. However, when
> i
> > checked monitor>system resources>memory statistics, cache buffer
> memory
> > does not go below 80% for the whole day. Does that mean I already
> have
> > more than enough memory as of now? Or am i looking at the wrong
> area?
> > thanks,
> > sean
> 
> Cache buffer memory is a bad metric these days. Are your volumes NSS
> or
> TFS?
> 
> - Anders Gustafsson  (Sysop)
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> 
> 
> Novell has a new enhancement request system,
> or what is now known as the requirement portal.
> If customers would like to give input in the upcoming
> releases of Novell products then they should go to
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Ooops, i dont understand those terms. is there a way for me to know? As
long as installation goes, i stuck mostly with the defaults.


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Van sean,
> Ooops, i dont understand those terms. is there a way for me to know? As
> long as installation goes, i stuck mostly with the defaults.
>
Type VOLUMES and paste the output here.

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Here it is:

Mounted Volumes           Name  Spaces                  Flags
SYS                             DOS, LONG                      Cp Sa

1 volume mounted


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Van sean,
> Mounted Volumes           Name  Spaces                  Flags
> SYS                             DOS, LONG                      Cp Sa

OK, that is a TFS volume so the cache stats are somewhat of a guidance. 
What worries me though is that you have only one volume?

You should keep SYS for the server and then put user files on another 
volume, say VOL1. How large a disk is this?

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So, how were you able to tell that it's TFS? Does this mean i have more
than enough of memory?
Yes only 1 volume where the program being accessed by all users
reside.
What do you mean by user files? and what's the purpose of creating
another volume for that?
Our harddisk is 320GB


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Van sean,
> So, how were you able to tell that it's TFS? Does this mean i have more
> than enough of memory?
> Yes only 1 volume where the program being accessed by all users
> reside.
> What do you mean by user files? and what's the purpose of creating
> another volume for that?
> Our harddisk is 320GB

You have a number of issues, let's take the volume type first. Here is an 
example of a server:

Mounted Volumes               Name Spaces                       Flags 
  SYS                         DOS, MAC, NFS, LONG               NSS   
  _ADMIN                      DOS, MAC, NFS, LONG               NSS P 
  CACHE                       DOS, LONG                               
  VOL1                        DOS, MAC, NFS, LONG               NSS   
  VOL2                        DOS, MAC, NFS, LONG               NSS   
  
All volumes here are NSS, except for CACHE. 

TFS is the traditional (old) file system. It is proven and reliable, but 
has several disadvantages as volumes grow:

1. Memory, you need memory to handle the volume, roughly 70,196,000 bytes
2. Mount times. With a volume this size you are looking at hours in case 
the server is restarted uncontrollably

The solution is NSS, but given that you run NW5, support for NSS is 
somewhat outdated.

If I had installed this server, then I would have reserved 20Gb for SYS 
and then created a new volume, called VOL1 for user files. The searon is 
simple: If you ever were to fill up sys completely, you server will crash 
and most likely trash DS beyond repair.

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