Newsgroup shows 535 unread messages, none visible

TB  2.0.0.19 (20081209)

A few months ago, something goofy happened with my Usenet feed from a rec. 
group that I enjoy reading. TB said no new messages were available for, 
like, forever. I paid it no attention until a couple days ago when I 
decided to just re-subscribe, so I set up a new account and told TB all 
about it.

TB accesses the news server now (news.motzarella.org, NNTP), and the 
folder pane shows many, many unread messages (e.g., r.b.tech(535)), but 
not a single message shows in the message pane. I have my view options set 
to Sort By: order received, ascending, unthreaded and Threads: All

WTH? Looks like the folder pane and the message pane are not agreeing on 
something.

-- 
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
Bend, Oregon

mike elliott keyboarded, On 3/17/2009 1:04 PM:
> TB  2.0.0.19 (20081209)
>
> A few months ago, something goofy happened with my Usenet feed from a 
> rec. group that I enjoy reading. TB said no new messages were 
> available for, like, forever. I paid it no attention until a couple 
> days ago when I decided to just re-subscribe, so I set up a new 
> account and told TB all about it.
>
> TB accesses the news server now (news.motzarella.org, NNTP), and the 
> folder pane shows many, many unread messages (e.g., r.b.tech(535)), 
> but not a single message shows in the message pane. I have my view 
> options set to Sort By: order received, ascending, unthreaded and 
> Threads: All
>
> WTH? Looks like the folder pane and the message pane are not agreeing 
> on something.
>
What is your account setting for how far back into the past you wanted 
to fetch headers?  Could be tthe server might not have a current feed 
from Usenet, thus no headers available for the time block you are 
configured to fetch.

-- 
Ron K.
Who is General Failure, and why is he searching my HDD?
Kernel Restore reported Major Error used BSOD to msg the enemy!

On 3/17/2009 10:18 AM Ron K. wrote:

> mike elliott keyboarded, On 3/17/2009 1:04 PM:
>> TB  2.0.0.19 (20081209)
>>
>> A few months ago, something goofy happened with my Usenet feed from a 
>> rec. group that I enjoy reading. TB said no new messages were 
>> available for, like, forever. I paid it no attention until a couple 
>> days ago when I decided to just re-subscribe, so I set up a new 
>> account and told TB all about it.
>>
>> TB accesses the news server now (news.motzarella.org, NNTP), and the 
>> folder pane shows many, many unread messages (e.g., r.b.tech(535)), 
>> but not a single message shows in the message pane. I have my view 
>> options set to Sort By: order received, ascending, unthreaded and 
>> Threads: All
>>
>> WTH? Looks like the folder pane and the message pane are not agreeing 
>> on something.
>>
> What is your account setting for how far back into the past you wanted 
> to fetch headers?  Could be tthe server might not have a current feed 
> from Usenet, thus no headers available for the time block you are 
> configured to fetch.
> 

Thanks, Ron.

30 days.

Anyway, I have used "Mark Newsgroup Read" to reduce the number of unread 
messages to 0. Like yesterday. Today there is a bunch (535) that have 
accumulated, as shown by the number in parenthesis after the name of the 
NG in the folder panel, and none are visible in the message panel as 
described above.

-- 
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
Bend, Oregon

mike elliott wrote:
> Anyway, I have used "Mark Newsgroup Read" to reduce the number of unread 
> messages to 0. Like yesterday. Today there is a bunch (535) that have 
> accumulated, as shown by the number in parenthesis after the name of the 
> NG in the folder panel, and none are visible in the message panel as 
> described above.

It is common for TB to misreport the number of unread messages: this has 
been a problem from day 1.

mike elliott on 3/17/2009 1:31 PM, keyboarded a reply:
> On 3/17/2009 10:18 AM Ron K. wrote:
> 
>> mike elliott keyboarded, On 3/17/2009 1:04 PM:
>>> TB  2.0.0.19 (20081209)
>>>
>>> A few months ago, something goofy happened with my Usenet feed from a 
>>> rec. group that I enjoy reading. TB said no new messages were 
>>> available for, like, forever. I paid it no attention until a couple 
>>> days ago when I decided to just re-subscribe, so I set up a new 
>>> account and told TB all about it.
>>>
>>> TB accesses the news server now (news.motzarella.org, NNTP), and the 
>>> folder pane shows many, many unread messages (e.g., r.b.tech(535)), 
>>> but not a single message shows in the message pane. I have my view 
>>> options set to Sort By: order received, ascending, unthreaded and 
>>> Threads: All
>>>
>>> WTH? Looks like the folder pane and the message pane are not agreeing 
>>> on something.
>>>
>> What is your account setting for how far back into the past you wanted 
>> to fetch headers?  Could be tthe server might not have a current feed 
>> from Usenet, thus no headers available for the time block you are 
>> configured to fetch.
>>
> 
> Thanks, Ron.
> 
> 30 days.
> 
> Anyway, I have used "Mark Newsgroup Read" to reduce the number of unread 
> messages to 0. Like yesterday. Today there is a bunch (535) that have 
> accumulated, as shown by the number in parenthesis after the name of the 
> NG in the folder panel, and none are visible in the message panel as 
> described above.
> 

Could be an ewrror in the associated *.rc file, where the message indes 
sequence is not contiguous. The only gaps in the insex sequence should be 
from missing messages, i.e. 1-100, 105-200 where in this example the gap 
reflect messages nolonger on that server. Such gaps could cause Tb to 
report existance of "Unread" messages.  Since profiles are hidden in 
Windows Explorer, make sure it is configured to show "system" files. Then 
look in the News folder of the profile for the *.rc file of the server 
account and read/edit it with Notepad or other text editor.  Worst case is 
to open the folder of the server account and delete the *.msf file of the 
effected group. This will force a reset much like removal of the account 
and rebuilding a fresh version of the account.

It has been requested in Bugzilla that Tb acquire a version of the OE group 
reset function.

-- 
Ron K.
Who is General Failure, and why is he searching my HDD?
Kernel Restore reported Major Error used BSOD to msg the enemy!

On 3/17/2009 11:05 AM Ron K. wrote:

> mike elliott on 3/17/2009 1:31 PM, keyboarded a reply:
>> On 3/17/2009 10:18 AM Ron K. wrote:
>>
>>> mike elliott keyboarded, On 3/17/2009 1:04 PM:
>>>> TB  2.0.0.19 (20081209)
>>>>
>>>> A few months ago, something goofy happened with my Usenet feed from a 
>>>> rec. group that I enjoy reading. TB said no new messages were 
>>>> available for, like, forever. I paid it no attention until a couple 
>>>> days ago when I decided to just re-subscribe, so I set up a new 
>>>> account and told TB all about it.
>>>>
>>>> TB accesses the news server now (news.motzarella.org, NNTP), and the 
>>>> folder pane shows many, many unread messages (e.g., r.b.tech(535)), 
>>>> but not a single message shows in the message pane. I have my view 
>>>> options set to Sort By: order received, ascending, unthreaded and 
>>>> Threads: All
>>>>
>>>> WTH? Looks like the folder pane and the message pane are not agreeing 
>>>> on something.
>>>>
>>> What is your account setting for how far back into the past you wanted 
>>> to fetch headers?  Could be tthe server might not have a current feed 
>>> from Usenet, thus no headers available for the time block you are 
>>> configured to fetch.
>>>
>> Thanks, Ron.
>>
>> 30 days.
>>
>> Anyway, I have used "Mark Newsgroup Read" to reduce the number of unread 
>> messages to 0. Like yesterday. Today there is a bunch (535) that have 
>> accumulated, as shown by the number in parenthesis after the name of the 
>> NG in the folder panel, and none are visible in the message panel as 
>> described above.
>>
> 
> Could be an ewrror in the associated *.rc file, where the message indes 
> sequence is not contiguous. The only gaps in the insex sequence should be 
> from missing messages, i.e. 1-100, 105-200 where in this example the gap 
> reflect messages nolonger on that server. Such gaps could cause Tb to 
> report existance of "Unread" messages.  Since profiles are hidden in 
> Windows Explorer, make sure it is configured to show "system" files. Then 
> look in the News folder of the profile for the *.rc file of the server 
> account and read/edit it with Notepad or other text editor.  Worst case is 
> to open the folder of the server account and delete the *.msf file of the 
> effected group. This will force a reset much like removal of the account 
> and rebuilding a fresh version of the account.
> 
> It has been requested in Bugzilla that Tb acquire a version of the OE group 
> reset function.

Okay, that's interesting. I found neither a .rc nor a .msf for the Usenet 
NG. They do exist for news.mozilla.org

IOW, there's no indication that TB has created the necessary files for 
news.motzarella.org's NNTP account. This, despite TB showing the account 
in the folders pane. Maybe it's waiting to get its mitts on even one file 
in order to get the ball rolling?

The NG accumulates a hundred or more messages a day so it's not lack of 
activity, I don't think. Maybe the news server is munged. Anyone know of a 
free Usenet (no pr0n, no warez) Usenet server to try?

-- 
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
Bend, Oregon

mike elliott wrote:
  IOW, there's no indication that TB has created the necessary files for
> news.motzarella.org's NNTP account. This, despite TB showing the account 
> in the folders pane. Maybe it's waiting to get its mitts on even one 
> file in order to get the ball rolling?
> 
> The NG accumulates a hundred or more messages a day so it's not lack of 
> activity, I don't think. Maybe the news server is munged. Anyone know of 
> a free Usenet (no pr0n, no warez) Usenet server to try?

I use Motzarella with TB with no special problem.

On 3/17/2009 11:55 AM C A Upsdell > wrote:

> mike elliott wrote:
>   IOW, there's no indication that TB has created the necessary files for
>> news.motzarella.org's NNTP account. This, despite TB showing the account 
>> in the folders pane. Maybe it's waiting to get its mitts on even one 
>> file in order to get the ball rolling?
>>
>> The NG accumulates a hundred or more messages a day so it's not lack of 
>> activity, I don't think. Maybe the news server is munged. Anyone know of 
>> a free Usenet (no pr0n, no warez) Usenet server to try?
> 
> I use Motzarella with TB with no special problem.
> 

As have I in the past, until (see my OP) it kinda stopped getting proper 
authentication or something which resulted in no new messages for a few 
weeks, which is why I deleted that account, re-upped with 
news.motzarella.org under a different user name a couple days ago and have 
now encountered this problem of folder pane seeing unread messages but 
message pane displaying none (/see my OP).

Now I have discovered that TB has not created a folder, a .rc, nor a .msf 
for the NG account.

Hm. I click on the account name in the folder pane, it displays several 
hundred unread messages (531, now), so I Mark Newsgroup Read, and the 
count drops to zero (account unbolds), go to another account, come back 
and it says, "No New Messages." Unless I wait about half an hour, then it 
finds another several hundred. I wonder if it's chewing through all the 
old stuff in order to find newer stuff that can be displayed?

Grasping at straws here.

I'd still like to try another free Usenet feed if someone know a non-pr0n, 
non-warez one. Just as a troubleshooting step.

-- 
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
Bend, Oregon

mike elliott wrote:
>> I use Motzarella with TB with no special problem.
>>
> As have I in the past, until (see my OP) it kinda stopped getting proper 
> authentication or something ...

Yes, same thing happened to me, but I simply re-entered the 
authentication info when TB prompted for it, and the server went live again.

On 3/17/2009 12:56 PM C A Upsdell > wrote:

> mike elliott wrote:
>>> I use Motzarella with TB with no special problem.
>>>
>> As have I in the past, until (see my OP) it kinda stopped getting proper 
>> authentication or something ...
> 
> Yes, same thing happened to me, but I simply re-entered the 
> authentication info when TB prompted for it, and the server went live again.

Yep, well, that didn't work for me so, as I say, I have gotten a new 
account, set it up exactly like the old with the exception of the 
username/pwd and the behavior is different: now the folders pane sees 
unread messages, but the message pane does not display any.

-- 
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
Bend, Oregon

On 3/17/2009 10:04 AM mike elliott wrote:

> TB  2.0.0.19 (20081209)
> 
> A few months ago, something goofy happened with my Usenet feed from a rec. 
> group that I enjoy reading. TB said no new messages were available for, 
> like, forever. I paid it no attention until a couple days ago when I 
> decided to just re-subscribe, so I set up a new account and told TB all 
> about it.
> 
> TB accesses the news server now (news.motzarella.org, NNTP), and the 
> folder pane shows many, many unread messages (e.g., r.b.tech(535)), but 
> not a single message shows in the message pane. I have my view options set 
> to Sort By: order received, ascending, unthreaded and Threads: All
> 
> WTH? Looks like the folder pane and the message pane are not agreeing on 
> something.
> 

Okay, in addition to the interesting fact that TB has not created a 
folder, a .rc, or a .msf file for this account, two new behaviors have 
been identified.

1. If I go to some other account (mail or news) and come back to this one, 
the number of unread messages seems to display as 531. Not always, a half 
hour ago it showed as 9,865. But most times. I always Mark Newsgroup Read, 
which drops the count to zero and unbolds the account name. If I go away 
and come back pretty quickly, the folder pane denies that there are any 
new messages. But after half an hour or so, it seems to want to generate 
that 531 new messages count again.

2. If I Search the NG for some common string (it's a bicycling newsgroup, 
so "wheel" is a good one) then TB finds many messages, none more recent 
than 10/7/2008. Which is about when my earlier subscription to this NG on 
news.motzarella.com stopped displaying messages.

So maybe everyone spontaneously stopped posting to rec.bicycles.tech on 
October 7? Or news.motzarella.org stopped carrying the group? It does show 
the name for subscription purposes, tho'.

It baffles science.

-- 
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
Bend, Oregon

On 3/17/2009 10:04 AM, mike elliott wrote:
> TB  2.0.0.19 (20081209)
> 
> A few months ago, something goofy happened with my Usenet feed from a rec. 
> group that I enjoy reading. TB said no new messages were available for, 
> like, forever. I paid it no attention until a couple days ago when I 
> decided to just re-subscribe, so I set up a new account and told TB all 
> about it.
> 
> TB accesses the news server now (news.motzarella.org, NNTP), and the 
> folder pane shows many, many unread messages (e.g., r.b.tech(535)), but 
> not a single message shows in the message pane. I have my view options set 
> to Sort By: order received, ascending, unthreaded and Threads: All
> 
> WTH? Looks like the folder pane and the message pane are not agreeing on 
> something.
> 
Have you tried View>>Messages>>All
                        View>>Threads>>All

Irwin

-- 
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Knowledge Base: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Main_Page

On 3/17/2009 1:32 PM, mike elliott wrote:
> On 3/17/2009 10:04 AM mike elliott wrote:
> 
>> TB  2.0.0.19 (20081209)
>>
>> A few months ago, something goofy happened with my Usenet feed from a rec. 
>> group that I enjoy reading. TB said no new messages were available for, 
>> like, forever. I paid it no attention until a couple days ago when I 
>> decided to just re-subscribe, so I set up a new account and told TB all 
>> about it.
>>
>> TB accesses the news server now (news.motzarella.org, NNTP), and the 
>> folder pane shows many, many unread messages (e.g., r.b.tech(535)), but 
>> not a single message shows in the message pane. I have my view options set 
>> to Sort By: order received, ascending, unthreaded and Threads: All
>>
>> WTH? Looks like the folder pane and the message pane are not agreeing on 
>> something.
>>
> 
> Okay, in addition to the interesting fact that TB has not created a 
> folder, a .rc, or a .msf file for this account, two new behaviors have 
> been identified.

<snip>

Sounds like it may be using the old account information.  Check Server 
settings for the account to see what folders it is using.

Irwin

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On 3/17/2009 1:39 PM Irwin Greenwald wrote:

> On 3/17/2009 10:04 AM, mike elliott wrote:
>> TB  2.0.0.19 (20081209)
>>
>> A few months ago, something goofy happened with my Usenet feed from a rec. 
>> group that I enjoy reading. TB said no new messages were available for, 
>> like, forever. I paid it no attention until a couple days ago when I 
>> decided to just re-subscribe, so I set up a new account and told TB all 
>> about it.
>>
>> TB accesses the news server now (news.motzarella.org, NNTP), and the 
>> folder pane shows many, many unread messages (e.g., r.b.tech(535)), but 
>> not a single message shows in the message pane. I have my view options set 
>> to Sort By: order received, ascending, unthreaded and Threads: All
>>
>> WTH? Looks like the folder pane and the message pane are not agreeing on 
>> something.
>>
> Have you tried View>>Messages>>All
>                         View>>Threads>>All
> 

Hi Irwin,

Can't find a View>>Messages>>All in TB2.

Interesting -- Server settings for the account shows that it is using the
..rc file from when I was using Adelphia for my NNTP service.

So I closed TB, deleted any and all News > .rc, .msf, and subfolders 
(except news.mozilla.org bits), and re-launched TB. I re-subscribed to 
rec.bicycles.tech and TB created new .rc, .msf files and a matching folder.

And Hey Presto! it works. Something must have gotten munged in the profile 
files.

Thanks all, for the help.

-- 
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
Bend, Oregon