Does anybody use an IDE or code (web coding: HTML/XML/CSS/JS/PHP/JSP) 
editor that they would recommend.

I've been evaluating several and here are my results so far:

NVU: I don't like WYSIWYG editors but I'll keep it around for the 
occasional complicated table I need to do quick.

Scite: I haven't looked at it in depth but it didn't seem to have the 
project management I wanted.

Screem: It was too buggy, the project management was too difficult, and 
it had no regex support that I could find.

Bluefish: I'm using it now and it looks good but I've noticed a slight 
irritation (aka bug) with the syntax highlighting.

I haven't tried eclipse or NuSphere, does anybody have any other input?

While dumping the grc.techtalk.linux bit bucket, I heard Dave Keays say:

> Does anybody use an IDE or code (web coding: HTML/XML/CSS/JS/PHP/JSP) 
> editor that they would recommend.
> 
> I've been evaluating several and here are my results so far:
> 
> NVU: I don't like WYSIWYG editors but I'll keep it around for the 
> occasional complicated table I need to do quick.
> 
> Scite: I haven't looked at it in depth but it didn't seem to have the 
> project management I wanted.
> 
> Screem: It was too buggy, the project management was too difficult, and 
> it had no regex support that I could find.
> 
> Bluefish: I'm using it now and it looks good but I've noticed a slight 
> irritation (aka bug) with the syntax highlighting.
> 
> I haven't tried eclipse or NuSphere, does anybody have any other input?

Most of the time, I just use KWrite. Other than that, NVU or Bluefish...

-- 
Dutch
Registered Linux User #391111 - PCLinuxOS 2007
GRC Newsgroups/Guidelines/No Regrets
http://www.imilly.com/noregrets

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:11:35 -0800, Dave Keays wrote:

> Does anybody use an IDE or code (web coding: HTML/XML/CSS/JS/PHP/JSP) 
> editor that they would recommend.

I've had one recommendation for "Geany", but haven't tried it yet. 

Frankly, I don't believe I've ever used a code generator which produced
valid code.  There may be some, but I haven't found them yet.  I like to
just write in a good text editor, and every byte is in there because I put
it there for a reason.  (Maybe not a *good* reason, but a reason. :)

-- 
Bob Trevithick

Dutch wrote:
> While dumping the grc.techtalk.linux bit bucket, I heard Dave Keays say:
> 
>> Does anybody use an IDE or code (web coding: HTML/XML/CSS/JS/PHP/JSP) 
>> editor that they would recommend.
>>
>> I've been evaluating several and here are my results so far:
>>
>> NVU: I don't like WYSIWYG editors but I'll keep it around for the 
>> occasional complicated table I need to do quick.
>>
>> Scite: I haven't looked at it in depth but it didn't seem to have the 
>> project management I wanted.
>>
>> Screem: It was too buggy, the project management was too difficult, and 
>> it had no regex support that I could find.
>>
>> Bluefish: I'm using it now and it looks good but I've noticed a slight 
>> irritation (aka bug) with the syntax highlighting.
>>
>> I haven't tried eclipse or NuSphere, does anybody have any other input?
> 
> Most of the time, I just use KWrite. Other than that, NVU or Bluefish...
> 

Thanks.

I have KWrite laying around in several live distros I think but I've 
never looked at it.

Like most IDE's I seem to spend a lot of time fighting it to get the 
code the way I want it so there has to be a compelling reason for me to 
keep it. Years ago I did most of my work in Notepad (today I would 
choose Textpad).

Bob Trevithick wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:11:35 -0800, Dave Keays wrote:
> 
>> Does anybody use an IDE or code (web coding: HTML/XML/CSS/JS/PHP/JSP) 
>> editor that they would recommend.
> 
> I've had one recommendation for "Geany", but haven't tried it yet. 
> 
> Frankly, I don't believe I've ever used a code generator which produced
> valid code.  There may be some, but I haven't found them yet.  I like to
> just write in a good text editor, and every byte is in there because I put
> it there for a reason.  (Maybe not a *good* reason, but a reason. :)
> 

That's the way I used to be but I got used to syntax highlighting, 
closed bracket checking, and (sometimes) automatic indention.

I never said anything about a code generator. But something to help me 
along the way never hurts. Especially when I don't have a printer 
available to do a decent code review.

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:03:34 -0800, Dave Keays wrote:

> I never said anything about a code generator. But something to help me 
> along the way never hurts. Especially when I don't have a printer 
> available to do a decent code review.

Heh, you must be the "other guy" I heard of who doesn't own or use
printers either.  :)

I'll be watching with interest if you find something that helps.  Hope you
do.

-- 
Bob Trevithick

While dumping the grc.techtalk.linux bit bucket, I heard Dave Keays say:

> Dutch wrote:
>> While dumping the grc.techtalk.linux bit bucket, I heard Dave Keays say:
>> 
>>> Does anybody use an IDE or code (web coding: HTML/XML/CSS/JS/PHP/JSP) 
>>> editor that they would recommend.
>>>
>>> I've been evaluating several and here are my results so far:
>>>
>>> NVU: I don't like WYSIWYG editors but I'll keep it around for the 
>>> occasional complicated table I need to do quick.
>>>
>>> Scite: I haven't looked at it in depth but it didn't seem to have the 
>>> project management I wanted.
>>>
>>> Screem: It was too buggy, the project management was too difficult, and 
>>> it had no regex support that I could find.
>>>
>>> Bluefish: I'm using it now and it looks good but I've noticed a slight 
>>> irritation (aka bug) with the syntax highlighting.
>>>
>>> I haven't tried eclipse or NuSphere, does anybody have any other input?
>> 
>> Most of the time, I just use KWrite. Other than that, NVU or Bluefish... 
   
> Thanks.
> 
> I have KWrite laying around in several live distros I think but I've 
> never looked at it.
> 
> Like most IDE's I seem to spend a lot of time fighting it to get the 
> code the way I want it so there has to be a compelling reason for me to 
> keep it. Years ago I did most of my work in Notepad (today I would 
> choose Textpad).

KWrite is just a nice text editor that does some pretty decent
highlighting. Nothing very fancy, but a few steps up the ladder from
Notepad...

-- 
Dutch
Registered Linux User #391111 - PCLinuxOS 2007
GRC Newsgroups/Guidelines/No Regrets
http://www.imilly.com/noregrets

Dutch wrote:
> While dumping the grc.techtalk.linux bit bucket, I heard Dave Keays say:
> 

[snip]

> 
> KWrite is just a nice text editor that does some pretty decent
> highlighting. Nothing very fancy, but a few steps up the ladder from
> Notepad...
> 

That is one thing I'm looking for. I also want regex support and I like 
the project functions in Screem (if it worked) and Bluefish.

Bob Trevithick wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:03:34 -0800, Dave Keays wrote:
> 
>> I never said anything about a code generator. But something to help me 
>> along the way never hurts. Especially when I don't have a printer 
>> available to do a decent code review.
> 
> Heh, you must be the "other guy" I heard of who doesn't own or use
> printers either.  :)
> 
> I'll be watching with interest if you find something that helps.  Hope you
> do.
> 

One of these days I'm going to look in my storage and see if any of the 
old dot-matrix printers still work.

> One of these days I'm going to look in my storage and see if any of the
> old dot-matrix printers still work.

They do, or will if they have an IBM Graphics mode and not just a proprietary
mode.
-- 
Crash

"Crash" Dummy wrote:
>> One of these days I'm going to look in my storage and see if any of the
>> old dot-matrix printers still work.
> 
> They do, or will if they have an IBM Graphics mode and not just a proprietary
> mode.

I was worried about the mechanical parts surviving their idle years.

> I was worried about the mechanical parts surviving their idle years.

I guess it depends on your "storage." The 9 pin DMP printer that came with my
Tandy 1000 was still working up until a couple of years ago when I finally broke
down and bought an inkjet printer. It was still working when I donated it to the
local landfill because I couldn't find any charity or computer club that would
take it. Get a new ribbon, if you can find one, plug it in, and try it. Some
(most?) have a test page you can write without even connecting it to the
computer. The most likely problem would be with a gummed up print head.
-- 
Crash

Dave Keays wrote:
> "Crash" Dummy wrote:
>>> One of these days I'm going to look in my storage and see if any of the
>>> old dot-matrix printers still work.
>>
>> They do, or will if they have an IBM Graphics mode and not just a 
>> proprietary
>> mode.
> 
> I was worried about the mechanical parts surviving their idle years.

You may find the pins "stuck" in the head.  Some have suggested WD-40. 
That may loosen the pins, but can cause trouble later, as it's not a 
lubricant.  The lubricant on the "sliding" part of the head transport 
may have dried.  There is a grease recommended for this.

I have an Epson LQ-570+ that still works!  It's the only thing my old 
SuperCalc spreadsheets can print to.

-- 
Virg Wall

Variety is the spice of Linux!
PCLOS 2007 Final

VWWall wrote:
> Dave Keays wrote:
>> "Crash" Dummy wrote:
>>>> One of these days I'm going to look in my storage and see if any of the
>>>> old dot-matrix printers still work.
>>>
>>> They do, or will if they have an IBM Graphics mode and not just a 
>>> proprietary
>>> mode.
>>
>> I was worried about the mechanical parts surviving their idle years.
> 
> You may find the pins "stuck" in the head.  Some have suggested WD-40. 
> That may loosen the pins, but can cause trouble later, as it's not a 
> lubricant.  The lubricant on the "sliding" part of the head transport 
> may have dried.  There is a grease recommended for this.

Thanks, that is what I was worried about.

> 
> I have an Epson LQ-570+ that still works!  It's the only thing my old 
> SuperCalc spreadsheets can print to.
> 

While dumping the grc.techtalk.linux bit bucket, I heard Dave Keays say:

> Dutch wrote:
>> While dumping the grc.techtalk.linux bit bucket, I heard Dave Keays say: 
> 
> [snip]
>  
>> KWrite is just a nice text editor that does some pretty decent
>> highlighting. Nothing very fancy, but a few steps up the ladder from
>> Notepad...
> 
> That is one thing I'm looking for. I also want regex support and I like 
> the project functions in Screem (if it worked) and Bluefish.

I haven't checked out Screem yet, but I'll take a look to see if it
holds any interest for my needs...

-- 
Dutch
Registered Linux User #391111 - PCLinuxOS 2007
GRC Newsgroups/Guidelines/No Regrets
http://www.imilly.com/noregrets

VWWall wrote:

> I have an Epson LQ-570+ that still works!  It's the only thing my old 
> SuperCalc spreadsheets can print to.

i bought an lq-570+ that had been used in a largish hardware store for a decade or more, 
besides the ribbon being a little dry, which i fixed with some inkjet ink, it worked like a 
champ, cheap, quiet, fast, easy to set up, !cheap!.  i hope i can some day find another, 
checked the epson site for a reconditioned one, i almost choked to death, nearly wet myself, 
suddenly started to smell of smoked herring.  the price was astronomical compared with the 
second hand cost, the things are so tough they probably only needed to blow off some dust, and 
they dare charge those prices.

On 2007-09-02, Dutch <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote:
> While dumping the grc.techtalk.linux bit bucket, I heard Dave Keays say:
>
>> Does anybody use an IDE or code (web coding: HTML/XML/CSS/JS/PHP/JSP) 
>> editor that they would recommend.
>> 
>> I've been evaluating several and here are my results so far:
>> 
>> NVU: I don't like WYSIWYG editors but I'll keep it around for the 
>> occasional complicated table I need to do quick.
>> 
>> Scite: I haven't looked at it in depth but it didn't seem to have the 
>> project management I wanted.
>> 
>> Screem: It was too buggy, the project management was too difficult, and 
>> it had no regex support that I could find.
>> 
>> Bluefish: I'm using it now and it looks good but I've noticed a slight 
>> irritation (aka bug) with the syntax highlighting.
>> 
>> I haven't tried eclipse or NuSphere, does anybody have any other input?
>
> Most of the time, I just use KWrite. Other than that, NVU or Bluefish...
>

I, like you, like to use nVu for the table design, but find using gvim
or simple vim works for me.  I am watching this thread for something I
might like in the future.  Thanks for posting.

Chris wrote:
> On 2007-09-02, Dutch <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote:
>> While dumping the grc.techtalk.linux bit bucket, I heard Dave Keays say:
>>
>>> Does anybody use an IDE or code (web coding: HTML/XML/CSS/JS/PHP/JSP) 
>>> editor that they would recommend.
>>>
>>> I've been evaluating several and here are my results so far:
>>>
>>> NVU: I don't like WYSIWYG editors but I'll keep it around for the 
>>> occasional complicated table I need to do quick.
>>>


> I, like you, like to use nVu for the table design, but find using gvim
> or simple vim works for me.  I am watching this thread for something I
> might like in the future.  Thanks for posting.

This is important for me since I'm just starting to make money at web 
programming and I need to get together the tools I'll be needing soon.

So far, I don't have the skills to use VIM efficiently although I 
should. Right now I'm busy trying to conquer PHP templates and 
frameworks (smarty and drupal). Any input here?

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:13 -0800, Dave Keays <dave@mailinator.com>
wrote:

>This is important for me since I'm just starting to make money at web 
>programming and I need to get together the tools I'll be needing soon.

Has anybody mentioned Quanta
or Kdevelop?

vince wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:13 -0800, Dave Keays <dave@mailinator.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> This is important for me since I'm just starting to make money at web 
>> programming and I need to get together the tools I'll be needing soon.
> 
> Has anybody mentioned Quanta
> or Kdevelop?
> 

Which do you like most Quanta Gold or Quanta Plus? Skimming through some 
reviews I've read good comments about both.

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:38:03 -0800, Dave Keays <dave@mailinator.com>
wrote:

>Which do you like most Quanta Gold or Quanta Plus? Skimming through some 
>reviews I've read good comments about both.

I like vim the most, but it's just a text editor.  For my testing and
simple web site, vim is enough.

Have only dabbled with what's in the Debian unstable repositories,
Quanta Plus.

> Bluefish: I'm using it now and it looks good but I've noticed a slight
> irritation (aka bug) with the syntax highlighting.

I use Bluefish. When the syntax highlighting messes up, usually pressing
F5 fixes the problem.

Tom Corwine

Tom Corwine wrote:
>> Bluefish: I'm using it now and it looks good but I've noticed a slight
>> irritation (aka bug) with the syntax highlighting.
> 
> I use Bluefish. When the syntax highlighting messes up, usually pressing
> F5 fixes the problem.
> 
> Tom Corwine

Thanks.

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:11:35 GMT, Dave Keays expounded upon us in 
grc.techtalk.linux :

> 
> X-Original-Reader: 142.167.38.244
> 

I use Eclipse 

http://www.eclipse.org/europa/

with the Aptana plugin for my html programming.

http://www.aptana.com/docs/index.php/Plugging_Aptana_into_an_existi
ng_Eclipse_configuration


I *think* Netbeans can handle it as will with the Visual Web Pack 
and/or Enterprise Pack

http://www.netbeans.info/downloads/index.php
http://www.netbeans.org/products/visualweb/
http://www.netbeans.org/products/enterprise/


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Pseudo Silk Kimono wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:11:35 GMT, Dave Keays expounded upon us in 
> grc.techtalk.linux :
> 
>> X-Original-Reader: 142.167.38.244
>>
> 
> I use Eclipse 
> 
> http://www.eclipse.org/europa/
> 
> with the Aptana plugin for my html programming.
> 
> http://www.aptana.com/docs/index.php/Plugging_Aptana_into_an_existi
> ng_Eclipse_configuration
> 
> 
> I *think* Netbeans can handle it as will with the Visual Web Pack 
> and/or Enterprise Pack
> 
> http://www.netbeans.info/downloads/index.php
> http://www.netbeans.org/products/visualweb/
> http://www.netbeans.org/products/enterprise/
> 

I'm looking into that one now. I used it for Java and didn't even think 
it could be used elsewhere. But I've read hints that it might be the case.

A feature that it has and I haven't seen in some others is the ability 
to match brackets. The more I think about its going on my list of 
necessary features.

>