Just out of curiosity I tried using Bill's list of "all Comcast servers" 
and as expected they don't respond for me since I'm not on Comcast at 
the moment. But I noticed that the status for all of them is "Nameserver 
returned invalid replies". I saw that on a few in the new list from 
Steve too.

I'd be surprised if all those Comcast servers are truly broken, I wonder 
if what they [and the ones on the new list] are doing is responding 
"neener neener, you can't use this server" or something similar. That 
would certainly make sense for some of the other servers in the new 
list. And if it's worth trying to itemize the response somehow, perhaps 
actually displaying it on the Status page if it's text? Although I know 
it's a bit late for changes. :-)

List of Comcast servers in case anyone wants it, Bill posted this 
earlier:

68.87.64.146        nrcns.ndceast.pa.bo.comcast.net
68.87.64.150        cns.inflow.pa.bo.comcast.net
68.87.68.162        nrcns.s3woodstock.ga.atlanta.comcast.net
68.87.68.166        cns.s3woodstock.ga.atlanta.comcast.net
68.87.69.146        nrcns.beaverton.or.bverton.comcast.net
68.87.69.150        cns.beaverton.or.bverton.comcast.net
68.87.71.226        nrcns.chelmsfdrdc2.ma.boston.comcast.net
68.87.71.230        cns.chelmsfdrdc2.ma.boston.comcast.net
68.87.72.130        nrcns.area4.il.chicago.comcast.net
68.87.72.134        cns.area4.il.chicago.comcast.net
68.87.73.242        nrcns.manassaspr.va.dc02.comcast.net
68.87.73.246        cns.manassaspr.va.dc02.comcast.net
68.87.74.162        nrcns.bonitasprngs.fl.naples.comcast.net
68.87.74.166        cns.bonitasprngs.fl.naples.comcast.net
68.87.75.194        nrcns.summitpark.pa.pitt.comcast.net
68.87.75.198        cns.summitpark.pa.pitt.comcast.net
68.87.76.178        nrcns.sanjose.ca.sanfran.comcast.net
68.87.76.182        cns.sanjose.ca.sanfran.comcast.net
68.87.77.130        nrcns.westlandrdc.mi.michigan.comcast.net
68.87.77.134        cns.westlandrdc.mi.michigan.comcast.net
68.87.85.98         nrcns.cmc.co.denver.comcast.net
68.87.85.102        cns.cmc.co.denver.comcast.net
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Kevin A. wrote:
> I'd be surprised if all those Comcast servers are truly broken, I
> wonder if what they [and the ones on the new list] are doing is
> responding "neener neener, you can't use this server" or something
> similar.

Easily tested so I did :-

nslookup kellybk.com 68.87.64.146
*** Can't find server name for address 68.87.64.146: Query refused

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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 in grc.dns, Brian Kelly wrote
>Kevin A. wrote:
>> I'd be surprised if all those Comcast servers are truly broken, I
>> wonder if what they [and the ones on the new list] are doing is
>> responding "neener neener, you can't use this server" or something
>> similar.
>
>Easily tested so I did :-
>
>nslookup kellybk.com 68.87.64.146
>*** Can't find server name for address 68.87.64.146: Query refused

Thanks, I couldn't remember the details for testing. :-)

"Query refused" is the important part I suppose, because that's telling 
us that the server is probably working, but doesn't want to talk to us 
for any of a number of reasons.

I wouldn't think it's worth a modification of DNSB at this point though. 
Probably. :-)

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> Just out of curiosity I tried using Bill's list of "all Comcast
servers"
[...]
> 68.87.64.146        nrcns.ndceast.pa.bo.comcast.net
[...]
> 68.87.85.102        cns.cmc.co.denver.comcast.net

now, I became curious, so I ran a "whois" against the first IP
and found out that the netblock it belongs to is 68.87.64.0/18
so, knowing that I decided to run a quick "reverse DNS scan"
on the network using "fast-rdns.pl" [1] with this cmdline

fast-rdns.pl -q 68.87.64.0/18 >comcast.txt

it didn't take too much and looking at the resulting file there
are several hosts which looks pretty interesting; probably
most of them aren't public DNS, yet... they may be of some
interest :)

So, for the curious ones, I'm attaching the zipped list here

[1] http://www.spamshield.org/fast-rdns.pl




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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:42:08 -1000, Kevin A. wrote:

>I wouldn't think it's worth a modification of DNSB at this point though. 
>Probably. :-)

Hi Kevin, yep, Comcast servers are not "Public" at all.

For anyone else, the original list I compiled was missing UTAH.  My
modified updated lists is below.

Comcast is adding some features at: http://dns.comcast.net/ but I'm
not at all sure if anyone outside can even see this page?

68.87.64.146        nrcns.ndceast.pa.bo.comcast.net
68.87.64.150        cns.inflow.pa.bo.comcast.net
68.87.68.162        nrcns.s3woodstock.ga.atlanta.comcast.net
68.87.68.166        cns.s3woodstock.ga.atlanta.comcast.net
68.87.69.146        nrcns.beaverton.or.bverton.comcast.net
68.87.69.150        cns.beaverton.or.bverton.comcast.net
68.87.71.226        nrcns.chelmsfdrdc2.ma.boston.comcast.net
68.87.71.230        cns.chelmsfdrdc2.ma.boston.comcast.net
68.87.72.130        nrcns.area4.il.chicago.comcast.net
68.87.72.134        cns.area4.il.chicago.comcast.net
68.87.73.242        nrcns.manassaspr.va.dc02.comcast.net
68.87.73.246        cns.manassaspr.va.dc02.comcast.net
68.87.74.162        nrcns.bonitasprngs.fl.naples.comcast.net
68.87.74.166        cns.bonitasprngs.fl.naples.comcast.net
68.87.75.194        nrcns.summitpark.pa.pitt.comcast.net
68.87.75.198        cns.summitpark.pa.pitt.comcast.net
68.87.76.178        nrcns.sanjose.ca.sanfran.comcast.net
68.87.76.182        cns.sanjose.ca.sanfran.comcast.net
68.87.77.130        nrcns.westlandrdc.mi.michigan.comcast.net
68.87.77.134        cns.westlandrdc.mi.michigan.comcast.net
68.87.78.130        nrcns.saltlakecity.ut.utah.comcast.net
68.87.78.134        cns.saltlakecity.ut.utah.comcast.net
68.87.85.98         nrcns.cmc.co.denver.comcast.net
68.87.85.102        cns.cmc.co.denver.comcast.net

Bill
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"Bill_MI" <bill@mi.no.spam.ath.cx> wrote in message 
news:l662b5hborfigvnrp43n02fvdu9277f4lt@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:42:08 -1000, Kevin A. wrote:
>
>>I wouldn't think it's worth a modification of DNSB at this point though.
>>Probably. :-)
>
> Hi Kevin, yep, Comcast servers are not "Public" at all.
>
> For anyone else, the original list I compiled was missing UTAH.  My
> modified updated lists is below.
>
> Comcast is adding some features at: http://dns.comcast.net/ but I'm
> not at all sure if anyone outside can even see this page?

.....snip

I am definitely not on Comcast and I can see that page and the dns status 
page at:
http://dns.comcast.net/status.php

I guess it does no harm. 

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 in grc.dns, Kerry Liles wrote
>"Bill_MI" <bill@mi.no.spam.ath.cx> wrote in message
>news:l662b5hborfigvnrp43n02fvdu9277f4lt@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:42:08 -1000, Kevin A. wrote:
>>
>>>I wouldn't think it's worth a modification of DNSB at this point though.
>>>Probably. :-)
>>
>> Hi Kevin, yep, Comcast servers are not "Public" at all.

Yeah, I knew that I wouldn't get answers, I just ran the test to see 
what it said. I was surprised to see that they were all tagged with the 
"Nameserver returned invalid replies" line, since I suspected it wasn't 
really 'invalid'. And had seen a few more of those responses on Steve's 
trial list.

>> For anyone else, the original list I compiled was missing UTAH.  My
>> modified updated lists is below.

Thanks, I'll grab the new list for later testing. :-)

>> Comcast is adding some features at: http://dns.comcast.net/ but I'm
>> not at all sure if anyone outside can even see this page?
>
>....snip
>
>I am definitely not on Comcast and I can see that page and the dns status
>page at:
>http://dns.comcast.net/status.php

They're accessible from here now too, and I know they weren't earlier, 
so they've made some changes. :-) I don't see an actual opt-out page 
there though?

>I guess it does no harm.

It looks like more technicians than whiz-bang marketing types were 
involved in creating those pages too. <g> They actually provide 
information without a lot of glitter. Except for the Flash based menu at 
the bottom of the page at least, and that's a Comcast standard.

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"Bill_MI" <bill@mi.no.spam.ath.cx> wrote in message 
news:l662b5hborfigvnrp43n02fvdu9277f4lt@4ax.com...

> Comcast is adding some features at: http://dns.comcast.net/ but I'm
> not at all sure if anyone outside can even see this page?

It comes in real slow but shows up, now goto the
http://security.comcast.net/
as it shows critical for threat alert (sno leopards?)

Then above page also shows...
Webpage error details

User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; 
..NET CLR 1.1.4322; FDM; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 
3.5.21022; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729)
Timestamp: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:39:45 UTC

Message: 'document.getElementById(...)' is null or not an object
Line: 534
Char: 6
Code: 0
URI: http://security.comcast.net/

OK, back to you Bill. ;)

'Seek and ye shall find'
NT Canuck

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:47:56 -1000, Kevin A. wrote:

>>> Comcast is adding some features at: http://dns.comcast.net/ but I'm
>>> not at all sure if anyone outside can even see this page?
>
>It looks like more technicians than whiz-bang marketing types were 
>involved in creating those pages too. <g> They actually provide 
>information without a lot of glitter. Except for the Flash based menu at 
>the bottom of the page at least, and that's a Comcast standard.

Yes, the technicians that are involved in this exact page post on
DSLReports in the Comcast group.  They seem to be the ones that:

1) Provided the opt-out
2) Starting the possible RFC.
3) Only redirected "www.(bad-domain)"... this really prevents non-web
apps that redirecting would break be perfectly functional.  AFAIK,
Comcast is the first to do this...

ftp.dfh36fh34rf64hf4f.com       NXDOMAIN
smtp.dfh36fh34rf64hf4f.com      NXDOMAIN
gopher.dfh36fh34rf64hf4f.com    NXDOMAIN
anything.dfh36fh34rf64hf4f.com  NXDOMAIN

www.dfh36fh34rf64hf4f.com       redirects ONLY

They did a good job IMHO... despite the "me too" management and
marketing people.

Bill
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[for the unabridged version, see Kevin A.'s post above]

> I wouldn't think it's worth a modification of DNSB at this
> point though.  Probably. :-)

I wanted to at least see what was going on.

That particular nameserver [151.99.125.9] was refusing to reply. 

But it's error return packet was not the typical reply that 
returns the query information as part of the reply. So my sanity 
checking was coming *before* the "refusal check" and calling the 
packet an invalid reply, when it was actually a refusal without 
the usual accompanying return info.

I've updated the code to now be aware of this sort of resolver 
response.  :)

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On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 in grc.dns, Bill_MI wrote
>On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:47:56 -1000, Kevin A. wrote:
>
>>>> Comcast is adding some features at: http://dns.comcast.net/ but I'm
>>>> not at all sure if anyone outside can even see this page?
>>
>>It looks like more technicians than whiz-bang marketing types were
>>involved in creating those pages too. <g> They actually provide
>>information without a lot of glitter. Except for the Flash based menu at
>>the bottom of the page at least, and that's a Comcast standard.
>
>Yes, the technicians that are involved in this exact page post on
>DSLReports in the Comcast group.  They seem to be the ones that:
>
>1) Provided the opt-out
>2) Starting the possible RFC.
>3) Only redirected "www.(bad-domain)"... this really prevents non-web
>apps that redirecting would break be perfectly functional.  AFAIK,
>Comcast is the first to do this...
>
>ftp.dfh36fh34rf64hf4f.com       NXDOMAIN
>smtp.dfh36fh34rf64hf4f.com      NXDOMAIN
>gopher.dfh36fh34rf64hf4f.com    NXDOMAIN
>anything.dfh36fh34rf64hf4f.com  NXDOMAIN
>
>www.dfh36fh34rf64hf4f.com       redirects ONLY

Nice bit of testing, and a good example of how redirecting can break 
things besides a browser. :-)

>They did a good job IMHO... despite the "me too" management and
>marketing people.

Yeah, if they're going to do it at all, they seem to have done it in the 
most responsible manner so far. :-)

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 in grc.dns, Steve Gibson wrote
>[for the unabridged version, see Kevin A.'s post above]
>
>> I wouldn't think it's worth a modification of DNSB at this
>> point though.  Probably. :-)
>
>I wanted to at least see what was going on.
>
>That particular nameserver [151.99.125.9] was refusing to reply.
>
>But it's error return packet was not the typical reply that
>returns the query information as part of the reply. So my sanity
>checking was coming *before* the "refusal check" and calling the
>packet an invalid reply, when it was actually a refusal without
>the usual accompanying return info.
>
>I've updated the code to now be aware of this sort of resolver
>response.  :)

That should help, thanks. :-)

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