"Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE" - Server not found

Today, Delphi's Welcome page showed this:

Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview

When trying to watch the video, it gives an error message:

Server not found:
rtmp://etnastream01.embarcadero.com/vod/

How nice :-(

Achim

Achim Kalwa wrote:

> Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
> http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview
> 
> When trying to watch the video, it gives an error message:
> 
> Server not found:
> rtmp://etnastream01.embarcadero.com/vod/

Works for me on second try (first gave "Flash app crashed").

-- 
Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://www.blockcad.net  
Gallery: http://www.blockcad.net/gallery/index.htm

Same here.
Doesn't work on the second or third time either.

Eric

Am 10.08.2010 08:55, schrieb Achim Kalwa:
> Today, Delphi's Welcome page showed this:
>
> Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
> http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview
>
> When trying to watch the video, it gives an error message:
>
> Server not found:
> rtmp://etnastream01.embarcadero.com/vod/

No problem here, worked right out of the box.

-- 
Uwe's Blog: The Art of Delphi Programming 

It worked fine for me too, Win7 64bits, running Firefox.

Best Regards,
Marco Sangali

"Achim Kalwa"  wrote in message 
news:[email protected]...
> Today, Delphi's Welcome page showed this:
>
> Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
> http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview
>
> When trying to watch the video, it gives an error message:
>
> Server not found:
> rtmp://etnastream01.embarcadero.com/vod/
>
> How nice :-(
>
> Achim

It works for me (in Internet Explorer - shhh).

So, after watching the video, I have to ask - is Delphi XE going to be 
cross-platform, or have plans changed again?

The SVN support looks pretty well done, but they've either done a good job 
of stripping out anything cross-platform related from the video/IDE, or the 
IDE doesn't seem to have cross-platform support.

Achim Kalwa wrote:

> Server not found:
> rtmp://etnastream01.embarcadero.com/vod/

The same here.

What is "rtmp://" protocol ?..

-- 
Alex

Daniel Bartlett wrote:

I was asking me the same....

no word about changes in the compiler or language etc....


Fritz


 
> So, after watching the video, I have to ask - is Delphi XE going to
> be cross-platform, or have plans changed again?
> 
> The SVN support looks pretty well done, but they've either done a
> good job of stripping out anything cross-platform related from the
> video/IDE, or the IDE doesn't seem to have cross-platform support.

Videos are a nice extra (works ok here too), but i would prefer a more 
detailed text list about new or enhanced things.

Yours
Michael Bickel




"Friedrich Westermann"  schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:[email protected]...
> Daniel Bartlett wrote:
>
> I was asking me the same....
>
> no word about changes in the compiler or language etc....
>
>
> Fritz
>
>
>
>> So, after watching the video, I have to ask - is Delphi XE going to
>> be cross-platform, or have plans changed again?
>>
>> The SVN support looks pretty well done, but they've either done a
>> good job of stripping out anything cross-platform related from the
>> video/IDE, or the IDE doesn't seem to have cross-platform support.

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:52:00 -0700 schrieb Friedrich Westermann:

> no word about changes in the compiler or language etc....
Look like they merged all available products into one to create a new
single product until the next major Delphi version gets done.

Somehow this reminds me of Turbo Delphi Pro. Codegear/Borland threw this
one into the race to make new money w/o really releasing new features.
-- 
cu
Michael

Am Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:55:12 -0700 schrieb Achim Kalwa:

> Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE

This product is really not nice at all...

OK, now there is Subversion support. Will it work with local or network
share repositories, too?

Included is Beyond Compare. Is this a full version or again a nice try to
include a de-featured version of a commercial product like so many times
before?

Delphi XE or whatever seems to be an iterims release until the next major
Delphi gets done. This is really poor try and seems like a rip-off like
Turbo Delphi Pro in former times.

-- 
cu
Michael

Am 10.08.2010 12:49, schrieb Alex Belo:
> What is "rtmp://" protocol ?..

rtmp = Read The Manual, Please ;)

Uwe Raabe
-- 
Uwe's Blog: The Art of Delphi Programming 

On 10/08/2010 12:08, Marco A. A. Sangali wrote:
> It worked fine for me too, Win7 64bits, running Firefox.

Still no show here, Win2k8 64bits Firefox or IE.

Maybe they could upload a version on Youtube, Dailymotion, Hulu, etc.?

Eric

"Achim Kalwa"  wrote in message 
news:[email protected]...
> Today, Delphi's Welcome page showed this:
>
> Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
> http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview
>
> When trying to watch the video, it gives an error message:
>
> Server not found:
> rtmp://etnastream01.embarcadero.com/vod/
>
> How nice :-(
>
> Achim

I had a look at the [we now do subversion since it been out for years] video 
and it worked OK right up until someone said '..into the cloud' at which 
point my brain auto disengaged.

Regards, (erm, what was it now, hang on, I'm sure it'll come to me in a 
minute...)

RTMP = Real Time Messaging Protocol.
Typically used for transfering video/audio frames.
Part of the whole family of RTxx protocols.

-- 
best regards

Kim Madsen
TeamC4D
www.components4developers.com

The best components for the best developers
High availability, high performance loosely coupled n-tier products

"Alex Belo"  skrev i meddelelsen 
news:[email protected]...
> Achim Kalwa wrote:
>
>> Server not found:
>> rtmp://etnastream01.embarcadero.com/vod/
>
> The same here.
>
> What is "rtmp://" protocol ?..
>
> -- 
> Alex

Op 10-8-2010 13:28, Michael Fritz schreef:
> Am Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:55:12 -0700 schrieb Achim Kalwa:
>
>> Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
>
> This product is really not nice at all...
>
> OK, now there is Subversion support. Will it work with local or network
> share repositories, too?
>
> Included is Beyond Compare. Is this a full version or again a nice try to
> include a de-featured version of a commercial product like so many times
> before?
>
> Delphi XE or whatever seems to be an iterims release until the next major
> Delphi gets done. This is really poor try and seems like a rip-off like
> Turbo Delphi Pro in former times.
>

So now you know why Nick left...

Kim Madsen wrote:

> RTMP = Real Time Messaging Protocol.

Thank you for information, never heared about it in my cavern. :-)

-- 
Alex

Michael Fritz wrote:

> Somehow this reminds me of Turbo Delphi Pro. Codegear/Borland threw this
> one into the race to make new money w/o really releasing new features.

Wasn't that the *point* with  the Turbos? Stripped down RAD Studio for a very
good price.

-- 
Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://www.blockcad.net  
Gallery: http://www.blockcad.net/gallery/index.htm

Michael Fritz wrote:

> OK, now there is Subversion support. Will it work with local or network
> share repositories, too?

I take it you didn't listen to the sound track...

-- 
Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://www.blockcad.net  
Gallery: http://www.blockcad.net/gallery/index.htm

Report Tool? Nevrona is not a Partner i think.......


> 
> no word about changes in the compiler or language etc....
>

Eric Grange wrote:

> Same here.
> Doesn't work on the second or third time either.

Do you have a Flash player installed? According to Wikipedia "Real Time
Messaging Protocol (RTMP) is a proprietary protocol developed by Adobe
Systems for streaming audio, video and data over the Internet, between a
Flash player and a server.".

Might be a good idea for Embarcadero to mention this on the page...

-- 
Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://www.blockcad.net  
Gallery: http://www.blockcad.net/gallery/index.htm

In article <[email protected]>, Uwe Raabe  
wrote
>
>No problem here, worked right out of the box.

Worked here too.  It's good to see some hard information starting to 
trickle out.

But someone really needs to tell Michael Rozlog to slow down a little 
when he is in "demo mode".  It might also help if, instead of just 
saying what he is doing ["I right-click on x... then I choose y..."], he 
indicated *why* he is doing it [and not one of the several other options 
that were just flashed in front our eyes].

Sure, there was a lot of info in just 15 minutes but the overall effect 
was to leave me feeling a little "mentally battered" :)

-- 
Bob Evans

On 8/10/2010 7:04 AM, Ton Soontiens wrote:

>
> So now you know why Nick left...

I was thinking the exact same thing. I wonder how much the upgrade will 
cost? I hope all you SA guys are getting your money's worth...

On 8/10/2010 1:55 AM, Achim Kalwa wrote:
> Today, Delphi's Welcome page showed this:
>
> Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
> http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview
>

Is it just me or is Rad Studio XE not much more than a bundle of 
modestly enhanced existing products that claims to be "cross platform" 
because it includes Delphi for PHP?

Am I missing something?

On 8/10/2010 1:55 AM, Achim Kalwa wrote:
> Today, Delphi's Welcome page showed this:
>
> Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
> http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview
>
> When trying to watch the video, it gives an error message:
>
> Server not found:
> rtmp://etnastream01.embarcadero.com/vod/
>
> How nice :-(
>
> Achim

Runs fine on IE8; won't run on Firefox 3.6 with the latest Flash Player 
installed.

> 
> Sure, there was a lot of info in just 15 minutes but the overall effect 
> was to leave me feeling a little "mentally battered" :)
> 
Look at the DevExpress product videos and learn. Professionally
scripted training and announcement videos. Each word has its place
and is succinct.

The script is spoken by a nice looking and well dressed Actress who probably 
doesn't know a component feature from a can of baked beans but
never the less conveys the message along with the right emotional
involvement and voice intonation.

Also, the introduction has corporate graphics and a familiar musical theme.

Content + Presentation = Involvement

http://tv.devexpress.com/#VCLLayoutCustomizeLayoutViews.movie

Michael Fritz wrote:

> Am Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:55:12 -0700 schrieb Achim Kalwa:
> 
> > Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
> 
> This product is really not nice at all...
> 
> OK, now there is Subversion support. Will it work with local or
> network share repositories, too?

In the first video they gave an example for local and share
repositories.

> Included is Beyond Compare. Is this a full version or again a nice
> try to include a de-featured version of a commercial product like so
> many times before?

They made an API and for compare you can plug in any diff program.
There was a conversation about that. You can choose Beyond Compare,
Winmerge, whatever you need.

> Delphi XE or whatever seems to be an iterims release until the next
> major Delphi gets done. This is really poor try and seems like a
> rip-off like Turbo Delphi Pro in former times.

They are working on mayor compiler rewrite. I hope there will be
something more than just these changes.

At last! Built-in support for Version Control. Why, though, have they not 
created more generic support (SCC API is the most supported api for this, 
and is also supported by SVN)?

So you now have to use SVN for your source control *or* use a provider that 
has made the effort (incl. us) to provide integration specifically for 
Delphi/BCB.

Cheers

-- 
Ewan McNab
Quality Software Components Ltd
Version Control with Team Coherence
http://www.teamcoherence.com

"Ton Soontiens"  wrote in message 
news:[email protected]...
> Op 10-8-2010 13:28, Michael Fritz schreef:
>> OK, now there is Subversion support. Will it work with local or network
>> share repositories, too?
>>

On 8/10/2010 7:24 AM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> On 8/10/2010 7:04 AM, Ton Soontiens wrote:
>
>>
>> So now you know why Nick left...
>
> I was thinking the exact same thing. I wonder how much the upgrade will
> cost? I hope all you SA guys are getting your money's worth...

Never mind. Found the price. Its inline with previous upgrades.

> {quote:title=Michael Fritz wrote:}{quote}
> Look like they merged +all available products+ into one to create a new
> single product until the next major Delphi version gets done.

Is is just me or did anyone else noticed the absence of 3rdRail?

Helo Mark,

Mark Andrews wrote:

> Runs fine on IE8; won't run on Firefox 3.6 with the latest Flash Player
> installed.

I managed to *download* the mp4 video file from
https://channel-e.embarcadero.com/
Explore Videos -> Recent -> RAD Studio XE 2010 Preview | Productivity...
and it played nice with VLC.

(Warning: The video is available in four different languages. You can 
only see what language it is if you click on the Download-buttons.)

Achim

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:20:01 -0700 schrieb Mark Andrews:

> Never mind. Found the price. Its inline with previous upgrades.
So I left out D2010 because of the lack of new features, I will do so for
Delphi XE and jump on again when Delphi is at 64bit. 

Luckily I don't have SA as I would really bother about those peu à peu
updates.

-- 
cu
Michael

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:04:50 -0700 schrieb Ton Soontiens:

> So now you know why Nick left...
If he wasn't layed off I don't wonder at all from now on.

-- 
cu
Michael

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:08:40 -0700 schrieb Anders Isaksson:

> I take it you didn't listen to the sound track...
I now noticed that Michael opened a local file repository starting with
file://...

-- 
cu
Michael

> Do you have a Flash player installed?

Yep, and other flash-based video sites work.
Maye they could host their videos on youtube, hulu, dailymotion & the 
like to avoid such issues.

Eric

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:43:01 -0700 schrieb Lajos Juhasz:

> They made an API and for compare you can plug in any diff program.
> There was a conversation about that. You can choose Beyond Compare,
> Winmerge, whatever you need.
OK an API, however, I don't want to buy again a third party product to
enhance the Delphi IDE. 
This happend to me too many times in the past. EMBC should really get on
their feet now and include full version products instead of unfinished
feature-cut ones like Quick Report, Tee-Chart, Rave-Report and many other
in the past. I didn't use any of them 'cause many of their competitors have
way better products, e.g. Fast-Report.

I really hope that the 'new' features they are promising are not again
built on adding demo version of other companies products.
-- 
cu
Michael

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:32:33 -0700 schrieb Mark Andrews:

> Is it just me or is Rad Studio XE not much more than a bundle of 
> modestly enhanced existing products that claims to be "cross platform" 
> because it includes Delphi for PHP?
Exactly my understanding - just an interims 'product' enhanced with some
already available tools, until the final release of Delphi 64.

-- 
cu
Michael

> I managed to *download* the mp4 video file from
> https://channel-e.embarcadero.com/

Thanks for the tip, download worked for me too.
I guess the flash video player they use is just buggy.

Eric

Michael Fritz wrote:

>  feet now and include full version products instead of unfinished
> feature-cut ones like Quick Report, Tee-Chart, Rave-Report and many
> other in the past. I didn't use any of them 'cause many of their
> competitors have way better products, e.g. Fast-Report.
> 
> I really hope that the 'new' features they are promising are not again
> built on adding demo version of other companies products.
> -- 

At least for version control and diff there are free products that you
can plug-in. How they implemented this future (according to this video)
the new Delphi could satisfy my needs.

I can agree in that that attaching stripped down version of a
commercial product was not the best idea for reporting engines. You can
never be sure what will be included in the next version. Whenever that
will satisfy your needs.

First of all I now need to find a Delphi developer job. Then I can
worry about the future of entire Delphi.

> Is it just me or is Rad Studio XE not much more than a bundle of
> modestly enhanced existing products that claims to be "cross platform"
> because it includes Delphi for PHP?
>
> Am I missing something?

So far, if there is more, it doesn't show.

I just watched in disbelief the video about SVN and comparison, to what 
public was this video targeted at? All this is so... underwhelming, 
already-doing-that-for-years-with-a-better-UI underwhelming.

And the diagramming... they had only two classes on screen, and it was 
already looking cluttered and messy.

Eric

Achim,

| When trying to watch the video, it gives an error message:

Worked OK for me this morning.

-- 

   Q

08/10/2010 07:55:19

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> 
> It's good to see some hard information starting to 
> trickle out.
> 
And there was some rubbery information..

Loved it when Mike tried to pass off the Prism Visual Studio
look and feel as the same as RAD Studio and RAD PHP.

They are visually uniform in the sense that they are all IDEs :-)

> {quote:title=Mark Andrews wrote:}{quote}
> I hope all you SA guys are getting your money's worth...

Yes, thanks.

--
Regards
Bruce McGee
Glooscap Software

Mark,

| I hope all you SA guys are getting your money's worth...

Believe it or not, I definitely think I have been, and am!

-- 

   Q

08/10/2010 10:36:29

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"Michael Fritz"  wrote in message 
news:[email protected]...
> This happend to me too many times in the past. EMBC should really get on
> their feet now and include full version products instead of unfinished
> feature-cut ones like Quick Report, Tee-Chart, Rave-Report and many other
> in the past. I didn't use any of them 'cause many of their competitors 
> have
> way better products, e.g. Fast-Report.


So if they include the full version and you still don't like it you'll still 
have to get something else.

But if they include the full version they'll also have to charge a lot 
more - I would think the companies supplying the full versions of these 
products would like to get paid their full price or at least reasonably 
close to it, otherwise how do you expect them to continue?

"Lite" versions can be a pain, but they are still of value over *nothing*. 
For many users they are enough, they never need more. But if you decide you 
do you still have the option of getting it - or getting a competitor's 
version. This way the cost is kept minimal for EMBC and the 3rd party 
vendors have a potential for upsales. The lite versions are sufficient to 
let you try them, do *actual* work with them, and decide whether you want to 
continue using them. By getting many more to try the products, it helps sell 
the 3rd party products, which reciprocally can help EMBC sales down the road 
as well. So generally, it is a win-win-win for the three parties involved.

-- 
Wayne Niddery (TeamB)

"Achim Kalwa"  wrote in message 
news:[email protected]...
> Today, Delphi's Welcome page showed this:
> Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
> http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview
> When trying to watch the video, it gives an error message:

I really wish companies would always give a textual description of a video's 
contents.  I hate having to watch a 15 minute video to get 30 seconds worth 
of information.

Maybe they use SCC API after all (since Prism has the same version control support) and if not someone can make a layer between Delphi's source control api and SCC API.

> {quote:title=Ewan McNab wrote:}{quote}
> At last! Built-in support for Version Control. Why, though, have they not 
> created more generic support (SCC API is the most supported api for this, 
> and is also supported by SVN)?
> 
> So you now have to use SVN for your source control *or* use a provider that 
> has made the effort (incl. us) to provide integration specifically for 
> Delphi/BCB.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> -- 
> Ewan McNab
> Quality Software Components Ltd
> Version Control with Team Coherence
> http://www.teamcoherence.com

Joe Demartino wrote:

> I really wish companies would always give a textual description of a video's 
> contents.  I hate having to watch a 15 minute video to get 30 seconds worth 
> of information.

The information is below the video!

"Anders Gustavsson"  wrote in message 
news:[email protected]...
> Joe Demartino wrote:
>
>> I really wish companies would always give a textual description of a 
>> video's
>> contents.  I hate having to watch a 15 minute video to get 30 seconds 
>> worth
>> of information.
>
> The information is below the video!

After watching the video, you're right!  There really wasnt much in the 
video at all.  I assumed there would at least be a few paragraphs worth. 
But... just more IDE functionality that I simply dont need at the expense of 
compiler improvements that would let me reach new customers.

How I interpret the video:
- Linux & MAC support takes longer than excpeted
- Win64 support takes longer than expected
- the new compiler front & backend takes longer than expected.
- Embarcadero needs money to complete all this.
- they put everything they currently have into a packet and try to sell it.

Impact to me:
- I would have needed Win64 years ago - had to find another solution for this
- I need Linux support now (what i did not expect :) - will use another solution
- I still like Delphi! 
- I did not plan to buy D2010, because it did not give me anything I urgently needed. 
- But I think, I will now buy XE anyway. And if i's just to support Embarcdero and help them to survive to bring out Linux, MAC and Win64 support!

Fredy Ferrari wrote:

> How I interpret the video:
> - Linux & MAC support takes longer than excpeted
> - Win64 support takes longer than expected
> - the new compiler front & backend takes longer than expected.
> - Embarcadero needs money to complete all this.
> - they put everything they currently have into a packet and try to sell it.

Where in the video do you find any information to support your interpretation? Unless everything that *isn't* there has significant meanings... This was the first video, not a full commercial for the complete product!

/Anders

On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:03:14 -0700, Joe Demartino 
wrote:

>After watching the video, you're right!  There really wasnt much in the 
>video at all.  I assumed there would at least be a few paragraphs worth. 
>But... just more IDE functionality that I simply dont need at the expense of 
>compiler improvements that would let me reach new customers.

I think they are obsessed with bling for managers rather than real
things programmers need.

On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:55:12 -0700, Achim Kalwa 
wrote:

>Today, Delphi's Welcome page showed this:
>
>Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
>http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview
>
>When trying to watch the video, it gives an error message:
>
>Server not found:
>rtmp://etnastream01.embarcadero.com/vod/
>
>How nice :-(
>
>Achim

So there isn't going to be a Delphi 2011? 

> {quote:title=Anders Gustavsson wrote:}{quote}
> Fredy Ferrari wrote:
> 
> > How I interpret the video:
> > - Linux & MAC support takes longer than excpeted
> > - Win64 support takes longer than expected
> > - the new compiler front & backend takes longer than expected.
> > - Embarcadero needs money to complete all this.
> > - they put everything they currently have into a packet and try to sell it.
> 
> Where in the video do you find any information to support your interpretation? Unless everything that *isn't* there has significant meanings... This was the first video, not a full commercial for the complete product!
> 

You are right, but the lack of the information is also an information. But with the 1 year support we might get a "free" upgrade to the Linux & MAC support.
(And you deleted my text, where I said taht I will buy the XE version anyway. Even it it's just to support Delphi ;)

Edited by: Fredy Ferrari on Aug 10, 2010 1:31 PM

Fredy Ferrari wrote:

> How I interpret the video:
> - Linux & MAC support takes longer than excpeted
> - Win64 support takes longer than expected
> - the new compiler front & backend takes longer than expected.
> - Embarcadero needs money to complete all this.
> - they put everything they currently have into a packet and try to
> sell it.
> 
- They promised only MAC support for this version. For Linux it was
clear that they can't finish for this version and nobody promised.

- Win64 support and new compiler correct. We can hope that they will
finish next year.

- I don€™t believe that they just need money. Maybe they would like to
give us reason to extend the SA? :D I strongly believe that they had
finished something more than version control system integration. Maybe
they solved some problems and fixed bugs and introduced new ones (to
make life more interesting for us).
- I would not say that they just won€™t to sell something. In the recent
couple of version they put something new worth inside.

> {quote:title=Lajos Juhasz wrote:}{quote}
> Fredy Ferrari wrote:
> 
> > How I interpret the video:
> > - Linux & MAC support takes longer than excpeted
> > - Win64 support takes longer than expected
> > - the new compiler front & backend takes longer than expected.
> > - Embarcadero needs money to complete all this.
> > - they put everything they currently have into a packet and try to
> > sell it.
> > 
> - They promised only MAC support for this version. For Linux it was
> clear that they can't finish for this version and nobody promised.
> 
> - Win64 support and new compiler correct. We can hope that they will
> finish next year.
> 
> - I don€™t believe that they just need money. Maybe they would like to
> give us reason to extend the SA? :D I strongly believe that they had
> finished something more than version control system integration. Maybe
> they solved some problems and fixed bugs and introduced new ones (to
> make life more interesting for us).
> - I would not say that they just won€™t to sell something. In the recent
> couple of version they put something new worth inside.

I know that WIN64 and MAC support was not promised! I don't see it negative at all.
And stop keeping to delete the part of the text, where  i said that I will probably do the upgrade!

Something slightly related: I've been giving Google Chrome another shot
lately and when I arrived at the page
http://blogs.embarcadero.com/michaelrozlog/2010/08/10/37149
and scrolled down, it started to get very messy. Not the case when
viewed with IE.

Question: is this due to wrong interpretation of HTML/JS by Chrome or
to wrong HTML/JS tout court (that's a bit of French)?

Actually the MAC support was promised. 

> negative at all.  And stop keeping to delete the part of the text,
> where  i said that I will probably do the upgrade!

I never replied to the fact that you will do the upgrade. When you post
to any forum you should leave only the parts of the original message
that is needed that anyone can understand your message (If someone need
more information can read the original post). Its a bit rude to quote
ten pages of message just to say yes or no. For this thread is not
about whenever will someone upgrade or not.

No, only as a preview.
> Actually the MAC support was promised. 
>. Its a bit rude to quote
But only leaving parts of the message can result in the contrary of the original message.

Michael Fritz wrote:

> OK, now there is Subversion support. Will it work with local or
> network share repositories, too?

We do support everything what Subversion supports itself also if this
is for exam. using the SVN protocol over SSH.
-- 
Uwe Schuster
http://www.bitcommander.de/blog

In article <[email protected]>, Mark Andrews wrote:
> I was thinking the exact same thing. I wonder how much the upgrade
> will cost? I hope all you SA guys are getting your money's worth...

The Subversion stuff is of no interest to me; the fact that D4PHP is 
moving ahead may be. But I regard my SA sub as a strategic payment; 
it's less than 1% of sales. My dad's business ethos was "look after 
your good suppliers: you need them as much as they need you". 

A year ago Malcolm Groves at the Melbourne D2010 launch event said 
that there had been a renewed emphasis on quality - I believed him, 
switched to it as soon as I got it and I've been more than happy. 
Hopefully the new release will carry this on. This costs money - I'm 
happy to chip in my few dollars to ensure a sound future for Delphi 
and my business.

-- 
Tony Bryer, Greentram Software Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia
'Software to build on'  http://www.greentram.com

Achim Kalwa wrote :

> When trying to watch the video, it gives an error message:
>
> Server not found:
> rtmp://etnastream01.embarcadero.com/vod/

I had to allow a port "TCP 1935 Out" through the firewall and the router, then 
the video played fine..

Regards.

Achim Kalwa wrote:

> Sneak Preview: Delphi 2011 is Delphi XE
> http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview

It's also available on YouTube at 720P and other resolutions, for those
of you who would prefer YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJi9WsnHKiw


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Am Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:55:12 -0700 schrieb Achim Kalwa:

> Included is Beyond Compare. Is this a full version or again a nice try to
> include a de-featured version of a commercial product like so many times
> before?
>

Light beta ....

-- 
Lars

> It's also available on YouTube at 720P and other resolutions, for those
> of you who would prefer YouTube.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJi9WsnHKiw

Thanks John, this version worked directly and without issues.

Not sure what's going on, but the youtube version appeared cleaner than 
the mp4 I downloaded from embarcadero. Maybe a player thing if it's the 
same file.

Eric

Eric Grange wrote:

> Thanks John, this version worked directly and without issues.

You're welcome. I'm very glad there was another solution ;)

> Not sure what's going on, but the youtube version appeared cleaner
> than the mp4 I downloaded from embarcadero. Maybe a player thing if
> it's the same file.

Interesting. I'll have to give that a try if I ever get the chance.
Maybe the YouTube encoding is different.


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Eric Grange wrote:

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJi9WsnHKiw
> 
> Not sure what's going on, but the youtube version appeared cleaner than 
> the mp4 I downloaded from embarcadero. Maybe a player thing if it's the 
> same file.

For me, the youtube version (720p) was much smoother while the
http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-studio-xe-preview version was a bit sharper
(OK to read the text on fullscreen) but having problems on every large change
in the picture (blocky for a while until it stabilizes).

-- 
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BlockCAD: http://www.blockcad.net  
Gallery: http://www.blockcad.net/gallery/index.htm

Well,

may whil it's a example....grins

Cheers

Hp

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:34:25 -0700 schrieb Lajos Juhasz:

> First of all I now need to find a Delphi developer job. Then I can
> worry about the future of entire Delphi.
Good luck - especially when knowing what is coming out of the box the next
Delphi release.

Luckily we don't use Delphi anymore here in our company. I'm still using it
at home, though.
-- 
cu
Michael

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:43:12 -0700 schrieb Wayne Niddery:

> But if they include the full version they'll also have to charge a lot 
> more - I would think the companies supplying the full versions of these 
Ok, IOW if they would drop them I will get Delphi a lot cheaper, right?
This would help me more since many of those announced 'new' features are
way too late and already installed on my PC. Which means in turn I've
already paid for them and I won't need them again in D-XE.

Why not release a plugin based Delphi? You can configure Delphi they way
you want. Today I will add Generics, later on x64 spending just some bucks
and not buy the same old boat again and again each year.
-- 
cu
Michael

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:57:50 -0700 schrieb Uwe Schuster:


> We do support everything what Subversion supports itself also if this
> is for exam. using the SVN protocol over SSH.
Uwe, I know Jedi already supports this, didn't use it, however. Anyway it
seems EMBC is plugging in some tools into XE which we are already using in
our daily work, nothing more.

-- 
cu
Michael

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:09:58 -0700 schrieb Fredy Ferrari:


> - But I think, I will now buy XE anyway. And if i's just to support Embarcdero and help them to survive to bring out Linux, MAC and Win64 support!
I hope you are not going to be disappointed at the end. After that feature
list I get the impression that sales figures are going down (once more).

-- 
cu
Michael

Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:32:50 -0700 schrieb Lajos Juhasz:

> they solved some problems and fixed bugs and introduced new ones (to
> make life more interesting for us).
.... to buy Delphi YF next year?

-- 
cu
Michael

--- maybe it just takes a bit time extra to complete their goals. I don't 
see a big problem in it, except that there is no honest answer from anyone 
(until now), no indication when all the big things come people wait for.

another thing is if you really can expect a normal price for this update, at 
least for D2009/D2010 users  there should be a special upgrade price for an 
interims release like this. There is nothing in it what i really need, 
except maybe bug fixes. And bug fixes should be free anyway.

Yours
Michael Bickel



"Michael Fritz"  schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:[email protected]...
> Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:09:58 -0700 schrieb Fredy Ferrari:
>
>
>> - But I think, I will now buy XE anyway. And if i's just to support 
>> Embarcdero and help them to survive to bring out Linux, MAC and Win64 
>> support!
> I hope you are not going to be disappointed at the end. After that feature
> list I get the impression that sales figures are going down (once more).
>
> -- 
> cu
> Michael

Michael Fritz wrote:
> Why not release a plugin based Delphi? You can configure Delphi they
> way you want.

+1

"Mark Andrews" wrote on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:24:53 -0700:

>  I hope all you SA guys are getting your money's worth...

I have been.  When I think of the money people in other industries pay
for their tools (construction, etc) as a percentage of their revenue,
the idea that SA is overpriced becomes laughable.

-- 
Brandon Staggs
StudyLamp Software LLC
http://www.studylamp.com

On 8/11/2010 9:19 AM, Brandon Staggs wrote:
> "Mark Andrews" wrote on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:24:53 -0700:
>
>>   I hope all you SA guys are getting your money's worth...
>
> I have been.  When I think of the money people in other industries pay
> for their tools (construction, etc) as a percentage of their revenue,
> the idea that SA is overpriced becomes laughable.
>

I never said SA is overpriced. Its a matter of value..

"Mark Andrews" wrote on Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:31:42 -0700:

> On 8/11/2010 9:19 AM, Brandon Staggs wrote:
>> "Mark Andrews" wrote on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:24:53 -0700:
>>
>>>   I hope all you SA guys are getting your money's worth...
>>
>> I have been.  When I think of the money people in other industries pay
>> for their tools (construction, etc) as a percentage of their revenue,
>> the idea that SA is overpriced becomes laughable.
>>
> 
> I never said SA is overpriced. Its a matter of value..

You used the term "money's worth."  I assumed you were implying that
the value was not equal with the cost, which means "overpriced."

-- 
Brandon Staggs
StudyLamp Software LLC
http://www.studylamp.com

Michael Fritz wrote:

> Am Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:57:50 -0700 schrieb Uwe Schuster:
> 
> > We do support everything what Subversion supports itself also if
> > this is for exam. using the SVN protocol over SSH.
> Uwe, I know Jedi already supports this, didn't use it, however.

I don't mean JEDI in this case with we and my blog hopefully tells you
what I do mean here.
-- 
Uwe Schuster
http://www.bitcommander.de/blog

On 8/11/2010 9:38 AM, Brandon Staggs wrote:

>
> You used the term "money's worth."  I assumed you were implying that
> the value was not equal with the cost, which means "overpriced."
>

Ok, I follow your logic.

I do not subscribe to SA; you do. Can you explain to me how you have 
benefited from your SA subscription? Convince me that you have gotten 
more value from SA than I have by not having SA and maybe I'll 
reconsider purchasing it with my next upgrade. Seriously.

"Mark Andrews" wrote on Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:28:50 -0700:

> On 8/11/2010 9:38 AM, Brandon Staggs wrote:
> 
>>
>> You used the term "money's worth."  I assumed you were implying that
>> the value was not equal with the cost, which means "overpriced."
>>
> 
> Ok, I follow your logic.
> 
> I do not subscribe to SA; you do. Can you explain to me how you have 
> benefited from your SA subscription? Convince me that you have gotten 
> more value from SA than I have by not having SA and maybe I'll 
> reconsider purchasing it with my next upgrade. Seriously.

Sorry -- while I am happy to tell people how much I like Delphi, I am
not a sales agent for Embarcadero and don't have time to do all that.
Suffice it to say I am happy with the arrangement so far.

-- 
Brandon Staggs
StudyLamp Software LLC
http://www.studylamp.com

On 8/11/2010 10:34 AM, Brandon Staggs wrote:

>
> Sorry -- while I am happy to tell people how much I like Delphi, I am
> not a sales agent for Embarcadero and don't have time to do all that.
> Suffice it to say I am happy with the arrangement so far.
>

Fair enough!

Mark Andrews wrote:

> Runs fine on IE8; won't run on Firefox 3.6 with the latest Flash
> Player installed.

Works fine for me, using FF 3.6 with the latest Flash Player (10.1)
installed. It opens a popup to play the video, though, so perhaps your
popup settings are interfering.

-- 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)        http://www.teamb.com

"No Sane man will dance." -- Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

Dominic Willems wrote:

> http://blogs.embarcadero.com/michaelrozlog/2010/08/10/37149

No problem with that page in Chrome 5.0.375.*. Scrolling is no problem
and does not cause a mess. Looks good.

-- 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)        http://www.teamb.com

"I've just learned about his illness. Let's hope it's nothing 
 trivial." -- Irvin S. Cobb

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
> No problem with that page in Chrome 5.0.375.*. Scrolling is no problem
> and does not cause a mess. Looks good.

Yes, your silliness, they changed it after I posted it here,
apparently. Without replying, apparently. That's how nice they are,
apparently.

Dominic Willems wrote:

> Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
> > No problem with that page in Chrome 5.0.375.*. Scrolling is no
> > problem and does not cause a mess. Looks good.
> 
> Yes, your silliness, they changed it after I posted it here,
> apparently.

Are you sure? 

-- 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)        http://www.teamb.com

Cann's (or Allen's) Axiom: When all else fails, read the 
instructions.

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
> Are you sure? 

Well, it looks totally different now in Chrome!

Friedrich Westermann wrote:

> Report Tool? Nevrona is not a Partner i think.......

Rave Reports is still in RAD Studio XE


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Michael Fritz wrote:

> Am Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:55:12 -0700 schrieb Achim Kalwa:
> OK, now there is Subversion support. Will it work with local or
> network share repositories, too?

yes and Yes.  And it can run beside TortoiseSVN no worries.  The source
will be made available on the Internet (sourceforge?) and we are
working with Subversion and working with others who are interested in
adding additional Version Control systems using the APIs and
integration.

> Included is Beyond Compare. Is this a full version or again a nice
> try to include a de-featured version of a commercial product like so
> many times before?

A subset version.  But if you have full Beyond Compare - then the IDE
uses that version.



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Embarcadero Technologies
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SkypeID: davidi99
Email: [email protected]

Mark Andrews wrote:

> > I have been.  When I think of the money people in other industries
> > pay for their tools (construction, etc) as a percentage of their
> > revenue, the idea that SA is overpriced becomes laughable.
> > 
> 
> I never said SA is overpriced. Its a matter of value..

it is easy to look at versions you consider upgrading to, taking those
upgrade prices over a number of years and also compare the amount to
starting at one point with a license and SA and then renewing each
year.  Simple spreadsheet formulas.  We will deliver a major new vesion
each year in the fall - as we have for at least 3 previous versions now.

SA renewal price is less than upgrade price.  Easy to do the math if
you skip more than every other version



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Email: [email protected]

Ewan McNab wrote:

> At last! Built-in support for Version Control. Why, though, have they
> not created more generic support (SCC API is the most supported api
> for this, and is also supported by SVN)?

There is an IDE API and the source code will be available as an example
implementation of the API.


> So you now have to use SVN for your source control or use a provider
> that has made the effort (incl. us) to provide integration
> specifically for Delphi/BCB.

You can continue to use whatever version control you want.  And there
will be additional integrations in the future from us and others.  Git
anyone?



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Embarcadero Technologies
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Email: [email protected]

Michael Fritz wrote:

> This happend to me too many times in the past. EMBC should really get
> on their feet now and include full version products instead of
> unfinished feature-cut ones like Quick Report, Tee-Chart, Rave-Report
> and many other in the past. I didn't use any of them 'cause many of
> their competitors have way better products, e.g. Fast-Report.

We have open apis, component architecture - and a large vibrant
ecosystem, of partners - both commercial, free, open source and other.
You have all the choices and options you need.

Not sure what your definition of "full version products" is.  In some
cases we provide full version products for desktop and the partner
sells the server side, or full components and the partner sells source
code, support and additional components and plug-ins.



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Michael Fritz wrote:

> Why not release a plugin based Delphi? You can configure Delphi they
> way you want. Today I will add Generics, later on x64 spending just
> some bucks and not buy the same old boat again and again each year.

Sometimes easier said/written than done.  But I agree, it would be
interesting to have more granularity in the pieces and parts you want.
I think one example of this is Eclipse :)


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Uwe Schuster wrote:

> We do support everything what Subversion supports itself also if this
> is for exam. using the SVN protocol over SSH.

Can't wait to see Jedi VCS integrated into RAD Studio XE using the same
version control API(s) and integrations.


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Embarcadero Technologies
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Email: [email protected]

David Intersimone wrote:

> You can continue to use whatever version control you want.  And there
> will be additional integrations in the future from us and others.  Git
> anyone?

I think Ewan is thinking more along the lines of Team Coherence.  :^)
And how much work it will be to get it to integrate with the IDE.

-- 
Cheers,
Van

"Half of what I say is meaningless..." - John Lennon
"Your job is to figure out which half." - Van Swofford

David Intersimone wrote:

> The source
> will be made available on the Internet (sourceforge?)

FWIW, it is already.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/delphisvn/


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On 14.08.2010 03:50, David Intersimone wrote:

> Sometimes easier said/written than done.  But I agree, it would be
> interesting to have more granularity in the pieces and parts you want.
> I think one example of this is Eclipse :)

So, could that happen ??
Could be nice, but only if Eclipse loading could have been far faster. 
It looked nice, but I have almost given it up due to incredible long 
load time.

On 14.08.2010 03:41, David Intersimone wrote:
> Michael Fritz wrote:
>
>> Am Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:55:12 -0700 schrieb Achim Kalwa:
>> OK, now there is Subversion support. Will it work with local or
>> network share repositories, too?
>
> yes and Yes.  And it can run beside TortoiseSVN no worries.  The source
> will be made available on the Internet (sourceforge?) and we are
> working with Subversion and working with others who are interested in
> adding additional Version Control systems using the APIs and
> integration.
>
>> Included is Beyond Compare. Is this a full version or again a nice
>> try to include a de-featured version of a commercial product like so
>> many times before?
>
> A subset version.  But if you have full Beyond Compare - then the IDE
> uses that version.
>
>
>


Next wish then should be direct Mantis support and/or some open source 
system for project planning/schedule/control :-)

David Intersimone wrote:

> Uwe Schuster wrote:
> 
> > We do support everything what Subversion supports itself also if
> > this is for exam. using the SVN protocol over SSH.
> 
> Can't wait to see Jedi VCS integrated into RAD Studio XE using the
> same version control API(s) and integrations.

This new stuff is definitely interesting and using this with JEDI VCS
is definitely on my to-do list. I'll blog about that.
-- 
Uwe Schuster
http://www.bitcommander.de/blog

John Kaster wrote:

> David Intersimone wrote:
> 
> > The source
> > will be made available on the Internet (sourceforge?)
> 
> FWIW, it is already.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/delphisvn/

Thats the URL for the predecessor. I'll blog about that topic when XE
has been released.
-- 
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http://www.bitcommander.de/blog

Uwe Schuster wrote:

> Thats the URL for the predecessor. I'll blog about that topic when XE
> has been released.

Ok, sorry for the confusion.

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David Intersimone wrote:

> Mark Andrews wrote:
> 
> > > I have been.  When I think of the money people in other industries
> > > pay for their tools (construction, etc) as a percentage of their
> > > revenue, the idea that SA is overpriced becomes laughable.
> > > 
> > 
> > I never said SA is overpriced. Its a matter of value..
> 
> it is easy to look at versions you consider upgrading to, taking those
> upgrade prices over a number of years and also compare the amount to
> starting at one point with a license and SA and then renewing each
> year.  Simple spreadsheet formulas.  We will deliver a major new
> vesion each year in the fall - as we have for at least 3 previous
> versions now.
> 
> SA renewal price is less than upgrade price.  Easy to do the math if
> you skip more than every other version

But for Pro Level, the difference is marginal.

You need to improve the attractiveness of Pro level SA.


Ian

>> SA renewal price is less than upgrade price.  Easy to do the math if
>> you skip more than every other version
> 
> But for Pro Level, the difference is marginal.
> 
> You need to improve the attractiveness of Pro level SA.

In my opinion you need to improve the attractiveness of Delphi altogether.

Alf Christophersen wrote:

> Next wish then should be direct Mantis support and/or some open
> source system for project planning/schedule/control :-)

Will ask Dave Wilhelm in R&D (he worked on the version control IDE api)
to see what we might consider for open APIs for planning/scheduling/bug
tracking.

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On 17.08.2010 19:57, David Intersimone wrote:
> Alf Christophersen wrote:
>
>> Next wish then should be direct Mantis support and/or some open
>> source system for project planning/schedule/control :-)
>
> Will ask Dave Wilhelm in R&D (he worked on the version control IDE api)
> to see what we might consider for open APIs for planning/scheduling/bug
> tracking.
>

Nice !!