I would like to know if I'm the only one to suffer the constant crash of the IDE of DXE3!
After about an hour of use the IDE starts to become unstable, and crashes systematically when I double-click on the Project manager window  to switch to a form or a unit!
Ther are also other types of crashes but that is the most systematic and actually makes the system unusable because even restart Delphi on the first or second new click it crash again!
Only restarting the PC (WIN7) I can become to work quiet for about an hour!
In the system I installed a few third-party components, only Jedi, FastReport Professional and Eurekalog, but I don't think it might depend on these!

As I said in my previous post, for me it is impossible to work in a serious way in an environment that crashes so often!
I don't know if everything depends on my relative way to work (which in any case was fine on D7) but things are now really embarrassing!
Consider that each my project is always composed of a main program (EXE), of a secondary package that puts in common certain structures, and finally a series of plugins (DPK / BPL) that are loaded at runtime by the main program!
All these different projects make up my group project!
_As I said, the most common problem is that when I click from Project Manager to open an unit/form I'm in the hands of God!_ 
In fact the system often crashes disastrously with no chance of recovering the code written and not yet saved!
I tried to rebuild the project from scratch, recreating all the structures, but things have not changed at all! 
Consider that absolutely I don't use tools like Subversion or other internal management / analysis of the code, and I use few external components in addition, and it does not depend directly from my PC because I have the same problems on another laptop that I use!
At this point I do not know what to do, I can't work in this way! It is absolutly impossible!
I do not know if this type of problem will be solved by Embarcadero shortly, since reading the forums some customers complain that there are still bugs dating back to the XE2 IDE version!
Probably I will try to install the XE, which long ago I had purchased but never used due to lack time, and try to see if it is more stable, even if it annoys me a lot because I used features that were not yet available in XE (not to mention the huge waste of time)!
Do you think that they can sell a product with these problems (probably yes :-( )! 
Here and there I read that there are other problems (always on the IDE) and many other things (one on all FireMonkey) that have bigger problems! 
I don't ask that the environment is free from problems, I realize that more things are complicated more it's hard to be perfect, but a product to be sold must give certain guarantees of operation, and as I see it XE3 product don't matches them at least at this version step!
Has anyone had this kind of problem, then solve it somehow?

Thank's in advance!
Lorenzo

Lorenzo, did you already a try a new clean install of XE3? It's a PITA but since you don't have that many external packages I'd try that. ==>

Deinstall the packages
Deinstall Delphi
Reboot
Find all folders and files containing 'Embarcadero' and 'CodeGear' and remove them
Check for remaining .pas files that might belong to the installs, remove them (or their directories)
Run Tweaknow Regcleaner and remove all 'Safe to remove' registry keys. Repear until no more issues found.
Reboot
Download the xe3 Update 1 ISO
Reinstall
Reinstall external packages

Takes you half a day, but may be worth it.

Good luck
Jan

> {quote:title=Jan Doggen wrote:}{quote}
> Lorenzo, did you already a try a new clean install of XE3? It's a PITA but since you don't have that many external packages I'd try that. ==>
> 
> Deinstall the packages
> Deinstall Delphi
> Reboot
> Find all folders and files containing 'Embarcadero' and 'CodeGear' and remove them
> Check for remaining .pas files that might belong to the installs, remove them (or their directories)
> Run Tweaknow Regcleaner and remove all 'Safe to remove' registry keys. Repear until no more issues found.
> Reboot
> Download the xe3 Update 1 ISO
> Reinstall
> Reinstall external packages
> 
> Takes you half a day, but may be worth it.
> 
> Good luck
> Jan


Ok I'll try to reinstall everything, so half a day and maybe more I would have lost anyway trying to install XE!
Thanks for the tip, I wanted to do it,but subconsciously I was convinced that it would not solve anything!
Let's hope so!

thanks  Jan

Lorenzo

> {quote:title=Abulafia User wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=Jan Doggen wrote:}{quote}
> > Lorenzo, did you already a try a new clean install of XE3? It's a PITA but since you don't have that many external packages I'd try that. ==>
> > 
> > Deinstall the packages
> > Deinstall Delphi
> > Reboot
> > Find all folders and files containing 'Embarcadero' and 'CodeGear' and remove them
> > Check for remaining .pas files that might belong to the installs, remove them (or their directories)
> > Run Tweaknow Regcleaner and remove all 'Safe to remove' registry keys. Repear until no more issues found.
> > Reboot
> > Download the xe3 Update 1 ISO
> > Reinstall
> > Reinstall external packages
> > 
> > Takes you half a day, but may be worth it.
> > 
> > Good luck
> > Jan
> 
> 
> Ok I'll try to reinstall everything, so half a day and maybe more I would have lost anyway trying to install XE!
> Thanks for the tip, I wanted to do it,but subconsciously I was convinced that it would not solve anything!
> Let's hope so!
> 
> thanks  Jan
> 
> Lorenzo

Ok I uninstalled everything, cleaned everything and reinstalled again everything and now it seems to works!
I hope not to have to perform this operation every time an update is released!

thanks
Lorenzo

> {quote:title=Lorenzo Biondi wrote:}{quote}
> I would like to know if I'm the only one to suffer the constant crash of the IDE of DXE3!
> After about an hour of use the IDE starts to become unstable, and crashes systematically when I double-click on the Project manager window  to switch to a form or a unit!
> Ther are also other types of crashes but that is the most systematic and actually makes the system unusable because even restart Delphi on the first or second new click it crash again!
> Only restarting the PC (WIN7) I can become to work quiet for about an hour!
> In the system I installed a few third-party components, only Jedi, FastReport Professional and Eurekalog, but I don't think it might depend on these!

Hi, I've noticed too strange IDE behaviours after installing Delphi XE3 update 2. After a little of editing, compiling etc. the right click on the IDE window (on editor and on tab page on top)  always raises on Access Violation at address 5005A884 in rtl170.bpl. The call stack is always this:

[5005A884]{rtl170.bpl  } System.Move (Line 5478, "System.pas" + 56) + $0
[5005A2E1]{rtl170.bpl  } System.@ReallocMem (Line 4325, "System.pas" + 21) + $0
[50064B78]{rtl170.bpl  } System.DynArraySetLength (Line 31914, "System.pas" + 84) + $13
[50064C19]{rtl170.bpl  } System.@DynArraySetLength (Line 31967, "System.pas" + 3) + $0
[5016677F]{rtl170.bpl  } System.Classes.{System.Generics.Collections}TList<System.Classes.TComponent>.SetCapacity (Line 663, "System.Generics.Collections.pas" + 3) + $13
[50064A08]{rtl170.bpl  } System.DynArrayClear (Line 31815, "System.pas" + 0) + $0
[50064A44]{rtl170.bpl  } System.DynArraySetLength (Line 31839, "System.pas" + 9) + $6
[50060B68]{rtl170.bpl  } System.@TryFinallyExit (Line 19852, "System.pas" + 8) + $0
[21838FA2]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnMan.TCustomActionBar.CreateControls (Line 4519, "Vcl.ActnMan.pas" + 8) + $4
[50064A08]{rtl170.bpl  } System.DynArrayClear (Line 31815, "System.pas" + 0) + $0
[50064A44]{rtl170.bpl  } System.DynArraySetLength (Line 31839, "System.pas" + 9) + $6
[2182A49F]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnCtrls.TCustomActionDockBar.SetupScrolling (Line 1408, "Vcl.ActnCtrls.pas" + 11) + $E
[21829FE2]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnCtrls.TCustomActionDockBar.CreateControls (Line 1215, "Vcl.ActnCtrls.pas" + 2) + $1C
[50064C19]{rtl170.bpl  } System.@DynArraySetLength (Line 31967, "System.pas" + 3) + $0
[2182A476]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnCtrls.TCustomActionDockBar.SetupScrolling (Line 1406, "Vcl.ActnCtrls.pas" + 9) + $13
[2182A49F]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnCtrls.TCustomActionDockBar.SetupScrolling (Line 1408, "Vcl.ActnCtrls.pas" + 11) + $E
[2182A432]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnCtrls.TCustomActionDockBar.SetOrientation (Line 1384, "Vcl.ActnCtrls.pas" + 2) + $1C
[501D05DB]{rtl170.bpl  } System.IniFiles.{System.Generics.Collections}TMoveArrayManager<System.IniFiles.TStringHash.THashItem>.Move (Line 2533, "System.Generics.Collections.pas" + 1) + $1C
[21857DE6]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnPopup.TPopupActionBar.Popup (Line 184, "Vcl.ActnPopup.pas" + 30) + $13
[5042400D]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TControl.WMContextMenu (Line 8041, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 33) + $B
[5042B93A]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.WMContextMenu (Line 12944, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 7) + $4
[5042297D]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TControl.WndProc (Line 7224, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 91) + $6
[0B780A1A]{AQtime7BDS10.bpl} Aqdockutils.ShowDockForm + $302
[50427411]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.WndProc (Line 10039, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 153) + $6
[50426A54]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.MainWndProc (Line 9751, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 3) + $6
[5015BE38]{rtl170.bpl  } System.Classes.StdWndProc (Line 16892, "System.Classes.pas" + 9) + $2
[50427522]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.DefaultHandler (Line 10080, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 30) + $19
[504233A0]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TControl.WMRButtonUp (Line 7486, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 1) + $6
[5042297D]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TControl.WndProc (Line 7224, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 91) + $6
[500603B0]{rtl170.bpl  } System.TMonitor.TryEnter (Line 16851, "System.pas" + 10) + $0
[50426C94]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.IsControlMouseMsg (Line 9815, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 9) + $25
[50427411]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.WndProc (Line 10039, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 153) + $6
[50426A54]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.MainWndProc (Line 9751, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 3) + $6
[5015BE38]{rtl170.bpl  } System.Classes.StdWndProc (Line 16892, "System.Classes.pas" + 9) + $2
[5054D9AF]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Forms.TApplication.ProcessMessage (Line 10208, "Vcl.Forms.pas" + 23) + $1
[5054D9F2]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Forms.TApplication.HandleMessage (Line 10238, "Vcl.Forms.pas" + 1) + $4
[5054DD2D]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Forms.TApplication.Run (Line 10376, "Vcl.Forms.pas" + 26) + $3

Any one noticed the same behaviour?

Please don't tell me that I've to uninstall and so re-install the IDE because it is an incredible waste of time also for me. I wanto to do that only if I'm sure to solve the problem.

Thanks
Davide Angeli

No one has idea? Is there a new update pack for the next future? It is impossible to work wiht the IDE in this conditions: it crashes an incredible amount of times. I will try the uninstall and the re-install. I hope to solve with re-install.

> {quote:title=Davide Angeli wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=Lorenzo Biondi wrote:}{quote}
> > I would like to know if I'm the only one to suffer the constant crash of the IDE of DXE3!
> > After about an hour of use the IDE starts to become unstable, and crashes systematically when I double-click on the Project manager window  to switch to a form or a unit!
> > Ther are also other types of crashes but that is the most systematic and actually makes the system unusable because even restart Delphi on the first or second new click it crash again!
> > Only restarting the PC (WIN7) I can become to work quiet for about an hour!
> > In the system I installed a few third-party components, only Jedi, FastReport Professional and Eurekalog, but I don't think it might depend on these!
> 
> Hi, I've noticed too strange IDE behaviours after installing Delphi XE3 update 2. After a little of editing, compiling etc. the right click on the IDE window (on editor and on tab page on top)  always raises on Access Violation at address 5005A884 in rtl170.bpl. The call stack is always this:
> 
> [5005A884]{rtl170.bpl  } System.Move (Line 5478, "System.pas" + 56) + $0
> [5005A2E1]{rtl170.bpl  } System.@ReallocMem (Line 4325, "System.pas" + 21) + $0
> [50064B78]{rtl170.bpl  } System.DynArraySetLength (Line 31914, "System.pas" + 84) + $13
> [50064C19]{rtl170.bpl  } System.@DynArraySetLength (Line 31967, "System.pas" + 3) + $0
> [5016677F]{rtl170.bpl  } System.Classes.{System.Generics.Collections}TList<System.Classes.TComponent>.SetCapacity (Line 663, "System.Generics.Collections.pas" + 3) + $13
> [50064A08]{rtl170.bpl  } System.DynArrayClear (Line 31815, "System.pas" + 0) + $0
> [50064A44]{rtl170.bpl  } System.DynArraySetLength (Line 31839, "System.pas" + 9) + $6
> [50060B68]{rtl170.bpl  } System.@TryFinallyExit (Line 19852, "System.pas" + 8) + $0
> [21838FA2]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnMan.TCustomActionBar.CreateControls (Line 4519, "Vcl.ActnMan.pas" + 8) + $4
> [50064A08]{rtl170.bpl  } System.DynArrayClear (Line 31815, "System.pas" + 0) + $0
> [50064A44]{rtl170.bpl  } System.DynArraySetLength (Line 31839, "System.pas" + 9) + $6
> [2182A49F]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnCtrls.TCustomActionDockBar.SetupScrolling (Line 1408, "Vcl.ActnCtrls.pas" + 11) + $E
> [21829FE2]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnCtrls.TCustomActionDockBar.CreateControls (Line 1215, "Vcl.ActnCtrls.pas" + 2) + $1C
> [50064C19]{rtl170.bpl  } System.@DynArraySetLength (Line 31967, "System.pas" + 3) + $0
> [2182A476]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnCtrls.TCustomActionDockBar.SetupScrolling (Line 1406, "Vcl.ActnCtrls.pas" + 9) + $13
> [2182A49F]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnCtrls.TCustomActionDockBar.SetupScrolling (Line 1408, "Vcl.ActnCtrls.pas" + 11) + $E
> [2182A432]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnCtrls.TCustomActionDockBar.SetOrientation (Line 1384, "Vcl.ActnCtrls.pas" + 2) + $1C
> [501D05DB]{rtl170.bpl  } System.IniFiles.{System.Generics.Collections}TMoveArrayManager<System.IniFiles.TStringHash.THashItem>.Move (Line 2533, "System.Generics.Collections.pas" + 1) + $1C
> [21857DE6]{vclactnband170.bpl} Vcl.ActnPopup.TPopupActionBar.Popup (Line 184, "Vcl.ActnPopup.pas" + 30) + $13
> [5042400D]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TControl.WMContextMenu (Line 8041, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 33) + $B
> [5042B93A]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.WMContextMenu (Line 12944, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 7) + $4
> [5042297D]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TControl.WndProc (Line 7224, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 91) + $6
> [0B780A1A]{AQtime7BDS10.bpl} Aqdockutils.ShowDockForm + $302
> [50427411]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.WndProc (Line 10039, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 153) + $6
> [50426A54]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.MainWndProc (Line 9751, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 3) + $6
> [5015BE38]{rtl170.bpl  } System.Classes.StdWndProc (Line 16892, "System.Classes.pas" + 9) + $2
> [50427522]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.DefaultHandler (Line 10080, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 30) + $19
> [504233A0]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TControl.WMRButtonUp (Line 7486, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 1) + $6
> [5042297D]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TControl.WndProc (Line 7224, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 91) + $6
> [500603B0]{rtl170.bpl  } System.TMonitor.TryEnter (Line 16851, "System.pas" + 10) + $0
> [50426C94]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.IsControlMouseMsg (Line 9815, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 9) + $25
> [50427411]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.WndProc (Line 10039, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 153) + $6
> [50426A54]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Controls.TWinControl.MainWndProc (Line 9751, "Vcl.Controls.pas" + 3) + $6
> [5015BE38]{rtl170.bpl  } System.Classes.StdWndProc (Line 16892, "System.Classes.pas" + 9) + $2
> [5054D9AF]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Forms.TApplication.ProcessMessage (Line 10208, "Vcl.Forms.pas" + 23) + $1
> [5054D9F2]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Forms.TApplication.HandleMessage (Line 10238, "Vcl.Forms.pas" + 1) + $4
> [5054DD2D]{vcl170.bpl  } Vcl.Forms.TApplication.Run (Line 10376, "Vcl.Forms.pas" + 26) + $3
> 
> Any one noticed the same behaviour?
> 
> Please don't tell me that I've to uninstall and so re-install the IDE because it is an incredible waste of time also for me. I wanto to do that only if I'm sure to solve the problem.
> 
> Thanks
> Davide Angeli

Davide Angeli wrote:
> No one has idea? Is there a new update pack for the next future? It is impossible to work wiht the IDE in this conditions: it crashes an incredible amount of times. I will try the uninstall and the re-install. I hope to solve with re-install.

While I don't know what your problem is, I am quite skeptical that a 
re-install will fix it. I have three really general suggestions for you.

1. run msconfig. Select diagnostic mode and reboot. If the problem stops 
happening, you can at least point to something outside the IDE. Note 
that diagnostic mode turns off lots of things, most notably internet 
connectivity.

2. Start the the IDE using the -r switch as discussed here: 
http://support.embarcadero.com/article/42597 The biggest thing this will 
do is disable third party components you might have installed that are 
causing a problem.

3. Try to figure out if the problem is specific to your project by 
working on a new or different one. While this does not solve the 
problem, it perhaps isolates it a bit and might lead to discovering the 
cause.

I will note that our development team uses the product itself to develop 
future versions. If it's a prevalent problem, they would see it.

We are always working in new things. That might be fixes or new 
features. That's the nature of the business. It's also the nature of 
business, and generally the legal system, to not be able to tell you 
about anything new until it is available. So, it is a logical assumption 
that some day there will be update pack in one form or another. What I 
cannot tell you is what it might contain or when it will be available. 
However, if we don't know how to reproduce your problem, it is highly 
unlikely to have a fix for it.

Quinn, 

Thanks for the answer. As you predict reinstalling the IDE don't solve my issue; I waste an entire day to do that and unfortunatly I did it before reading your answer! I don't know where my problem could be but I'm almost sure that this problem appeared with update pack 2. I'm working on a machine with Win8 Professional 64bit. I'm using these third party components : TMS component pack, TMS Async, EurekaLog, JEDI + JVCL, Indy (the daily version), Rave, EasyMAPI, FibPlus, OmniThreadLibrary,. JSONComponents
, PNGComponents, TP Abbrevia,  SynEdit and some custom components. The only expert I've installed on IDE is GExperts (it is still a beta version for XE3).

In addition to the problem of access violation on right click in the editor, I'm also noticing problems in the IDE menu: sometimes it doesn't react (the pulldown doesn't appear) I need to minimize the IDE and then maximize it and the menù works again. Very often shortcuts like CTRL-SHIFT-UP and CTRL-SHIFT-DOWN doesn't work : I need to close the IDE and restart it and then they return to work. Could it be a sort of incompatibility with Win8? I will try some of your suggestions to try to isolate the problem
.

It's an amazing thing that you are working on new things and new features but please don't forget VCL and bugs in QC. I don't know how many people are planning to migrate their applications on Firemonky, FireDAC ecc, I'm very very far from this just now. I've millions of VCL code lines in my applications and for example, for me It is surpising that still in XE3 to use PNG images in a list I have to use a free library like PNGComponents! This library do a great job but it implements incredible workarounds 
to override TCustomImageList methods. Is it possible to have native support (I mean real native support with real transparency) to PNG components in the next VCL TImageList versions? Also TSpeedButton and TBitBtn could be more useful with PNG support. I'm also trying to use XE3 vcl styles with action menu bar but it seems to be just a little bit more than an alpha version. Will it be possible to have the bugs signaled in QC (also the ones not rated) solved without waiting always the next main release? I a
pologize for the vent but I'm trying to switch from Delphi 2010 to XE3 and I'm having several problems.

Davide


> {quote:title=quinn wildman wrote:}{quote}
> Davide Angeli wrote:
> > No one has idea? Is there a new update pack for the next future? It is impossible to work wiht the IDE in this conditions: it crashes an incredible amount of times. I will try the uninstall and the re-install. I hope to solve with re-install.
> 
> While I don't know what your problem is, I am quite skeptical that a 
> re-install will fix it. I have three really general suggestions for you.
> 
> 1. run msconfig. Select diagnostic mode and reboot. If the problem stops 
> happening, you can at least point to something outside the IDE. Note 
> that diagnostic mode turns off lots of things, most notably internet 
> connectivity.
> 
> 2. Start the the IDE using the -r switch as discussed here: 
> http://support.embarcadero.com/article/42597 The biggest thing this will 
> do is disable third party components you might have installed that are 
> causing a problem.
> 
> 3. Try to figure out if the problem is specific to your project by 
> working on a new or different one. While this does not solve the 
> problem, it perhaps isolates it a bit and might lead to discovering the 
> cause.
> 
> I will note that our development team uses the product itself to develop 
> future versions. If it's a prevalent problem, they would see it.
> 
> We are always working in new things. That might be fixes or new 
> features. That's the nature of the business. It's also the nature of 
> business, and generally the legal system, to not be able to tell you 
> about anything new until it is available. So, it is a logical assumption 
> that some day there will be update pack in one form or another. What I 
> cannot tell you is what it might contain or when it will be available. 
> However, if we don't know how to reproduce your problem, it is highly 
> unlikely to have a fix for it.

Edited by: Davide Angeli on Mar 19, 2013 9:44 AM

More info: 

I don't know if it can help to understand the problema but I realize that this kind of IDE crashes happens always after working on project groups and running operations on multiple projects like build/compile all. As I'm porting from D2010 to XE3 and so I'm doing changes on my libraries and third party components, in these I day I often do this operations:

1. I modify my runtime libraries
2. I update third party components
3. Using project groups I recompile all projects that use libraries at points 1,2

After doing so the result is always an XE3 IDE very unstable and I get access violations on standard operations like right click on the IDE elements (editor tabs, variables in debug etc).

If I work on a specific project instead (without group operations) the IDE seems working well. 

Davide

I am having similar problems with AVs in rtl170.bpl in XE3 as well. I am porting a windows7 C++Builder project from 2010 to XE3 R2. I have searched the internet for quite a while now, including these forums, and it appears that while various folks are having similar trouble, there have been no real solutions offered.

Why did I upgrade to XE3 again?

And why would I now want to upgrade to XE5?

I have spent thousands and now have a development environment I can't use with no one apparently able to provide a fix. Nice.

Will there be any solutions forthcoming? Or should I simply kiss XE3 and beyond goodbye?



> {quote:title=Lorenzo Biondi wrote:}{quote}
> I would like to know if I'm the only one to suffer the constant crash of the IDE of DXE3!
> After about an hour of use the IDE starts to become unstable, and crashes systematically when I double-click on the Project manager window  to switch to a form or a unit!
> Ther are also other types of crashes but that is the most systematic and actually makes the system unusable because even restart Delphi on the first or second new click it crash again!
> Only restarting the PC (WIN7) I can become to work quiet for about an hour!
> In the system I installed a few third-party components, only Jedi, FastReport Professional and Eurekalog, but I don't think it might depend on these!

> {quote:title=Richard Farley wrote:}{quote}
> I am having similar problems with AVs in rtl170.bpl in XE3 as well. I am porting a windows7 C++Builder project from 2010 to XE3 R2. I have searched the internet for quite a while now, including these forums, and it appears that while various folks are having similar trouble, there have been no real solutions offered.
> 
> Why did I upgrade to XE3 again?
> 
> And why would I now want to upgrade to XE5?
> 
> I have spent thousands and now have a development environment I can't use with no one apparently able to provide a fix. Nice.
> 
> Will there be any solutions forthcoming? Or should I simply kiss XE3 and beyond goodbye?

XE4 has been so bad we're using notepad++ to edit source files as it's the only way to be sure we won't lose work. 

Unless embarcadero put some serious effort into fixing bugs instead of adding new whiz bang features, I can see us never upgrading to XE5 (and in fact going back to XE2 as what we have now is simply unusable).  Personally I'm pushing to get off delphi but with a couple of million lines of code that's impractical in the short term.

Sorry to hear about your troubles, Tony.

I think I may have found a work-around for my trouble. That's how I usually fix things, i.e., I restructure my code and try to do the same thing a different way to get around something that's not working ... it's very time-consuming, frustrating, etc., but I probably don't have any business taking it out on Embarcadero as its within the realm of possibility that I don't always know what I'm doing ...

Anyhow, fingers crossed for XE5. Hope things start looking up for all concerned.


> {quote:title=Tony Hoyle wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=Richard Farley wrote:}{quote}
> > I am having similar problems with AVs in rtl170.bpl in XE3 as well. I am porting a windows7 C++Builder project from 2010 to XE3 R2. I have searched the internet for quite a while now, including these forums, and it appears that while various folks are having similar trouble, there have been no real solutions offered.
> > 
> > Why did I upgrade to XE3 again?
> > 
> > And why would I now want to upgrade to XE5?
> > 
> > I have spent thousands and now have a development environment I can't use with no one apparently able to provide a fix. Nice.
> > 
> > Will there be any solutions forthcoming? Or should I simply kiss XE3 and beyond goodbye?
> 
> XE4 has been so bad we're using notepad++ to edit source files as it's the only way to be sure we won't lose work. 
> 
> Unless embarcadero put some serious effort into fixing bugs instead of adding new whiz bang features, I can see us never upgrading to XE5 (and in fact going back to XE2 as what we have now is simply unusable).  Personally I'm pushing to get off delphi but with a couple of million lines of code that's impractical in the short term.