The Delphi and C++Builder pages on http://www.codegear.com have now been updated with new 2009 product information.

http://www.codegear.com/products/delphi/win32
http://www.codegear.com/products/cppbuilder

Thanks,

Tim

Tim DelChiaro wrote:
> The Delphi and C++Builder pages on http://www.codegear.com have now been updated with new 2009 product information.
> 

Which version of Indy will be shipped with C++ Builder 2009?

Dennis Cote

Dennis Cote wrote:


> Which version of Indy will be shipped with C++ Builder 2009?

It will be a version of Indy 10 updated with Unicode support.
While we expect most code to be source-code compatible with our new
Unicode support, it is certainly worth our paying attention to making
support explicit in widely used libraries to minimize any data
conversions.

Also, on the Delphi side it was common to use a string type as a raw
array of bytes.  This idiom is much less frequently used in C++, but
obviously any Delphi source code using this idiom should be reviewed.
I believe this was another of the concerns for the Indy crew.

-- 
AlisdairM
C++Builder Product Manager - Embarcadero

Tim DelChiaro wrote:
> The Delphi and C++Builder pages on http://www.codegear.com have now been updated with new 2009 product information.
> 
> http://www.codegear.com/products/delphi/win32
> http://www.codegear.com/products/cppbuilder
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim

I'm glad we can finally have an idea of what features will be available 
for 2009. However I am guessing those pages are a first draft. In 
particular, the edition comparison on the Overview page seems to me to 
be just some copy+paste without real content. The first sentence for the 
Enterprise edition doesn't make sense: "the best of both worlds" without 
a "second world" being described. Reading those lines didn't give me any 
idea of what would be available. All of the three descriptions sound 
alike, that is, a lot of cool selling meaningless words that are all the 
same in the three of them. The text should be very distinct and to the 
point, to really emphasize what is different in each different edition.

When looking at the comparison matrix, I'm not actually viewing a 
comparison matrix, but rather a list of features. Only at the end of the 
list do I see a difference. What about two different lists? One that is 
a list of features (about what is actually called the comparison 
matrix), and another one as a *real* comparison matrix, that is a short 
table (short as in "fits on one browser page") that really shows what is 
different in each edition.

Please do not take this as an insult, but as constructive suggestions.


Now here is a question. Should I assume there will not be a Turbo C++ 
2009? That is, an edition below Professional, like in the old days, 
without databases and other stuff that is not useful for enthusiasts and 
  low-order programmers, and below $200.

Tom

We've added additional information to the pages to make the differences between the editions more clear and added two links where people can find more detailed comparisons. 

We aren't announcing any new Turbo products at this time.

Thanks,

Tim

What date does BDS2009 ship? I've paid for mine with a pre-order on the 
codegear webpage.

Digby Millikan

"Digby Millikan" <digby.m@bigpond.com> wrote in message 
news:9810@forums.codegear.com...
> What date does BDS2009 ship? I've paid for mine with a pre-order on the
> codegear webpage.

I believe it is "when it's ready". :-)

Albert

In article <9810@forums.codegear.com>,
 Digby Millikan <digby.m@bigpond.com> wrote:

> What date does BDS2009 ship? I've paid for mine with a pre-order on the 
> codegear webpage.

   We don't know the exact date because we have delayed shipping in 
order to fix some final bugs. You shouldn't have to wait much longer 
though.
-- 
David Dean (CodeGear)
Lead C++ QA Engineer

"David Dean (CodeGear)" <david.dean.no@spam.codegear.com> wrote in message 
news:10070@forums.codegear.com...
> In article <9810@forums.codegear.com>,
> Digby Millikan <digby.m@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> What date does BDS2009 ship? I've paid for mine with a pre-order on the
>> codegear webpage.
>
>   We don't know the exact date because we have delayed shipping in
> order to fix some final bugs. You shouldn't have to wait much longer
> though.

Now I'm confused.  I thought that the only things announced were Delphi 2009 
and C++Builder 2009, but not Rad Studio 2009 (which would include the .net 
platform as well).

I am presuming that BDS was referring to Rad Studio.

In article <10274@forums.codegear.com>, Gord Pollock <dont@spam.me> 
wrote:

> >> What date does BDS2009 ship? I've paid for mine with a pre-order on the
> >> codegear webpage.
> >
> >   We don't know the exact date because we have delayed shipping in
> > order to fix some final bugs. You shouldn't have to wait much longer
> > though.
> 
> Now I'm confused.  I thought that the only things announced were Delphi 2009 
> and C++Builder 2009, but not Rad Studio 2009 (which would include the .net 
> platform as well).

   There is a bundle with both Delphi and C++ that you can pre-order, so 
I made the assumption that this is what the original poster was talking 
about since they said that they had pre-ordered the product.
-- 
David Dean (CodeGear)
Lead C++ QA Engineer

What's the difference between Delphi 2009 with C++Builder 2009 bundled, and 
RAD Studio 2009? Will there be a upgrade path?

The Codegear website ask me to pay for two lots of support, support for 
Delphi, and
support for C++Builder. Are we supposed to pay for support for both products 
seperately?

Yes. Even if you buy Delphi and C++Builder together as a bundle, the support line items are still separate.

Tim

> The Codegear website ask me to pay for two lots of support, support for 
> Delphi, and
> support for C++Builder. Are we supposed to pay for support for both products 
> seperately?

RAD Studio 2009 hasn't been announced yet but one would assume that it will include what's in the Delphi and C++Builder 2009 bundle plus Delphi for .NET. There will be some kind of upgrade path which may be the option to purchase the .NET piece separately or a discounted upgrade price to RAD Studio 2009.

Tim

> {quote:title=Digby Millikan wrote:}{quote}
> What's the difference between Delphi 2009 with C++Builder 2009 bundled, and 
> RAD Studio 2009? Will there be a upgrade path?

Digby Millikan wrote:

>What's the difference between Delphi 2009 with C++Builder 2009 bundled, and
>RAD Studio 2009? Will there be a upgrade path?

If you are interested in getting the equivalent of "RAD Studio 2009" when 
it comes out, it appears that CodeGear is still selling Rad Studio 2007.  
Purchase that with Software Assurance.  You will get the 2009 individual 
personality releases, as well as the 2009 Studio release when it finally 
comes out, assuming it's within your Software Assurance time frame 
(usually 12 months).

shop.codegear.com calls it "Support and Maint for RAD Studio 2007 xxx".

If you talk directly to a CodeGear Sales person, you can get a multi year 
offering.

-- 

-Brion
There's no such thing as 'one, true way;'
- Mercedes Lackey

If I order Delphi 2009 and C++Builder 2009 with maintenance do I get RAD 
Studio 2009
when it is released. (I have already made a pre-order for the Delphi 2009 
C++Builder 2009 bundle)

Digby Millikan

Digby Millikan wrote:

>If I order Delphi 2009 and C++Builder 2009 with maintenance do I get RAD
>Studio 2009
>when it is released. (I have already made a pre-order for the Delphi 2009
>C++Builder 2009 bundle)

From what I've seen posted, Delphi 2009 + C++ Builder 2009 do not 
constitute the same thing as "RAD Studio 2009", should that be the product 
name of whatever's coming in the future.  People who have bought 
"individual personality" S/A in the past have not been able to upgrade to 
the full Studio.

Tim's note from September 5, 2008 in this same thread seems to indicate it 
may be different this time:

"There will be some kind of upgrade path which may be the option to 
purchase the .NET piece separately or a discounted upgrade price to RAD 
Studio 2009."

My absolute *guess* is that it would be cheaper to cancel your pre-order 
and order RAD Studio 2007 with maintenance.

For a positive, official answer, contact CodeGear Sales or your local 
Reseller.

-- 

-Brion
There's no such thing as 'one, true way;'
- Mercedes Lackey