Perl6 vs Julia

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Hello

How do you think of Julia language?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)

It says it is also influenced by perl language.

Regards

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<div dir="ltr"><div>Hello</div><div><br></div><div>How do you think of Julia language?</div><div><br></div><div>

<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)</a>

</div><div><br></div><div>It says it is also influenced by perl language.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br></div></div>

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It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that in
some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive macro systems,
which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It's more
scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of
mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or things
like that.

El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (<tom.blkwood@gmail.com>)
escribi=C3=B3:

> Hello
>
> How do you think of Julia language?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)
>
> It says it is also influenced by perl language.
>
> Regards
>


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JJ

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<div dir=3D"ltr">It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the =
point that in some cases it&#39;s exactly the same. It&#39;s got a very ext=
ensive macro systems, which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. =
It&#39;s more scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all=
 sort of mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, o=
r things like that.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</a>&gt;) esc=
ribi=C3=B3:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello</div><div><br></div><div>How do you think of Julia =
language?</div><div><br></div><div>

<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)</a=
>

</div><div><br></div><div>It says it is also influenced by perl language.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_signature">JJ</div>

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jjmerelo
12/8/2019 10:40:38 AM
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Thanks  JJ.
We know Perl has PDL for data science,
http://pdl.perl.org/

We are looking into it and see if it's possible to make a Perl6 version of
Scikit-learn based on PDL.

regards.
Tom

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:40 PM JJ Merelo <jjmerelo@gmail.com> wrote:

> It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that in
> some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive macro systems=
,
> which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It's more
> scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of
> mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or thing=
s
> like that.
>
> El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (<tom.blkwood@gmail.com>)
> escribi=C3=B3:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> How do you think of Julia language?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)
>>
>> It says it is also influenced by perl language.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>
>
> --
> JJ
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks=C2=A0 JJ.</div><div>We know Perl has PDL for d=
ata science,</div><div><a href=3D"http://pdl.perl.org/">http://pdl.perl.org=
/</a></div><div><br></div><div>We are looking into it and see if it&#39;s p=
ossible to make a Perl6 version of <span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-=
family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligat=
ures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;=
text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word=
-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initia=
l;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">Scikit-learn</sp=
an> based on PDL.</div><div><br></div><div>regards.</div><div>Tom<br></div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:40 PM JJ Merelo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjmerelo@gma=
il.com">jjmerelo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">It might have been, but syntax i=
s more Python-like to the point that in some cases it&#39;s exactly the sam=
e. It&#39;s got a very extensive macro systems, which enables it to work co=
ncurrently, for instance. It&#39;s more scientific-computing oriented, whic=
h means that there are all sort of mathematical modules for it, and not so =
many for web, databases, or things like that.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las=
 4:38, Tom Blackwood (&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</a>&gt;) escribi=C3=B3:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello</div>=
<div><br></div><div>How do you think of Julia language?</div><div><br></div=
><div>

<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)</a=
>

</div><div><br></div><div>It says it is also influenced by perl language.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">JJ</div>
</blockquote></div>

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tom
12/8/2019 11:10:00 AM
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El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 12:10, Tom Blackwood (<tom.blkwood@gmail.com>)
escribi=C3=B3:

> Thanks  JJ.
> We know Perl has PDL for data science,
> http://pdl.perl.org/
>
> We are looking into it and see if it's possible to make a Perl6 version o=
f
> Scikit-learn based on PDL.
>

That would be really great.

JJ

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 12:10, Tom=
 Blackwood (&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com">tom.blkwood@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;) escribi=C3=B3:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks=C2=A0 JJ.</div><div>We know Perl h=
as PDL for data science,</div><div><a href=3D"http://pdl.perl.org/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://pdl.perl.org/</a></div><div><br></div><div>We are lookin=
g into it and see if it&#39;s possible to make a Perl6 version of <span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-=
style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-we=
ight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transfo=
rm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,25=
5);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inli=
ne;float:none">Scikit-learn</span> based on PDL.</div></div></blockquote><d=
iv><br></div><div>That would be really great.</div></div><div><br></div><di=
v>JJ<br></div></div>

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jjmerelo
12/8/2019 11:16:11 AM
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Hi,
I authored an interface to the Fastest Fourier Transform in the West
(libfftw3) as Math::FFT::Libfftw3; I'm working on an interface to the GNU
Scientific Library (libgsl).
I'm writing this just to avoid duplicating an effort.

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 12:18 PM Tom Blackwood <tom.blkwood@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> Thanks  JJ.
> We know Perl has PDL for data science,
> http://pdl.perl.org/
>
> We are looking into it and see if it's possible to make a Perl6 version o=
f
> Scikit-learn based on PDL.
>
> regards.
> Tom
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:40 PM JJ Merelo <jjmerelo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that in
>> some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive macro system=
s,
>> which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It's more
>> scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of
>> mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or thin=
gs
>> like that.
>>
>> El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (<tom.blkwood@gmail.com>)
>> escribi=C3=B3:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> How do you think of Julia language?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)
>>>
>>> It says it is also influenced by perl language.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> JJ
>>
>

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Fernando Santagata

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#000000">Hi,</=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#000000">I authored an inte=
rface to the Fastest Fourier Transform in the West (libfftw3) as Math::FFT:=
:Libfftw3; I&#39;m working on an interface to the GNU Scientific Library (l=
ibgsl).<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#000000">I&#39=
;m writing this just to avoid duplicating an effort.<br></div></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 8=
, 2019 at 12:18 PM Tom Blackwood &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.blkwood@gmail.co=
m">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks=C2=A0 JJ.</div><div>We=
 know Perl has PDL for data science,</div><div><a href=3D"http://pdl.perl.o=
rg/" target=3D"_blank">http://pdl.perl.org/</a></div><div><br></div><div>We=
 are looking into it and see if it&#39;s possible to make a Perl6 version o=
f <span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size=
:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:nor=
mal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;t=
ext-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb=
(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;d=
isplay:inline;float:none">Scikit-learn</span> based on PDL.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>regards.</div><div>Tom<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:40 PM JJ=
 Merelo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjmerelo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjmerel=
o@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">It might have been, but syntax is more Python-l=
ike to the point that in some cases it&#39;s exactly the same. It&#39;s got=
 a very extensive macro systems, which enables it to work concurrently, for=
 instance. It&#39;s more scientific-computing oriented, which means that th=
ere are all sort of mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, d=
atabases, or things like that.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blac=
kwood (&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tom.b=
lkwood@gmail.com</a>&gt;) escribi=C3=B3:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>How do you think of Julia language?</div><div><br></div><div>

<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)</a=
>

</div><div><br></div><div>It says it is also influenced by perl language.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">JJ</div>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_signature">Fernando Santagata</div>

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nando
12/8/2019 4:21:17 PM
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Nice! Thanks for letting me know.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:21 AM Fernando Santagata <
nando.santagata@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I authored an interface to the Fastest Fourier Transform in the West
> (libfftw3) as Math::FFT::Libfftw3; I'm working on an interface to the GNU
> Scientific Library (libgsl).
> I'm writing this just to avoid duplicating an effort.
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 12:18 PM Tom Blackwood <tom.blkwood@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks  JJ.
>> We know Perl has PDL for data science,
>> http://pdl.perl.org/
>>
>> We are looking into it and see if it's possible to make a Perl6 version
>> of Scikit-learn based on PDL.
>>
>> regards.
>> Tom
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:40 PM JJ Merelo <jjmerelo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that in
>>> some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive macro syste=
ms,
>>> which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It's more
>>> scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of
>>> mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or thi=
ngs
>>> like that.
>>>
>>> El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (<tom.blkwood@gmail.com>=
)
>>> escribi=C3=B3:
>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> How do you think of Julia language?
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)
>>>>
>>>> It says it is also influenced by perl language.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> JJ
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Fernando Santagata
>

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<div><div dir=3D"auto">Nice! Thanks for=C2=A0letting me know.</div></div><d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:21 AM Fernando Santagata &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nando=
..santagata@gmail.com">nando.santagata@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"color:#000000">Hi,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color=
:#000000">I authored an interface to the Fastest Fourier Transform in the W=
est (libfftw3) as Math::FFT::Libfftw3; I&#39;m working on an interface to t=
he GNU Scientific Library (libgsl).<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"color:#000000">I&#39;m writing this just to avoid duplicating an ef=
fort.<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 12:18 PM Tom Blackwood &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks=C2=A0 JJ.</div><div>We know Perl has PDL for dat=
a science,</div><div><a href=3D"http://pdl.perl.org/" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://pdl.perl.org/</a></div><div><br></div><div>We are looking into it and s=
ee if it&#39;s possible to make a Perl6 version of <span style=3D"color:rgb=
(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;fo=
nt-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter=
-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decorat=
ion-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">=
Scikit-learn</span> based on PDL.</div><div><br></div><div>regards.</div><d=
iv>Tom<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:40 PM JJ Merelo &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:jjmerelo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjmerelo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that in s=
ome cases it&#39;s exactly the same. It&#39;s got a very extensive macro sy=
stems, which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It&#39;s more s=
cientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of mathem=
atical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or things like t=
hat.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:tom.blkwood@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</a>&gt;) =
escribi=C3=B3:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello</div><div><br></div><div>How do you think of Jul=
ia language?</div><div><br></div><div>

<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)</a=
>

</div><div><br></div><div>It says it is also influenced by perl language.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">JJ</div>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">Fernando S=
antagata</div>
</blockquote></div></div>

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tom
12/8/2019 6:41:24 PM
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If math is your area of interest, the GSL is interesting *and* humongous:
I've been working on it for two weeks writing the raw interface to the C
library and I just started to write a Raku-level interface, something that
would let programmers use the library without having to learn how to create
a CArray and convert between Raku and C types.
So after two weeks I counted how many C functions I converted as a raw
interface: 561. Then I found out that I was at the third group of functions
of about 40.
Did I say it's huge?
I think I will write the Raku interface to what I've done so far and start
publish the "work in progress" on the CPAN, so other people will know that
there's someone working on it. PRs will be welcome ;-)

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 7:41 PM Tom Blackwood <tom.blkwood@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nice! Thanks for letting me know.
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 12:21 AM Fernando Santagata <
> nando.santagata@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I authored an interface to the Fastest Fourier Transform in the West
>> (libfftw3) as Math::FFT::Libfftw3; I'm working on an interface to the GN=
U
>> Scientific Library (libgsl).
>> I'm writing this just to avoid duplicating an effort.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 12:18 PM Tom Blackwood <tom.blkwood@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks  JJ.
>>> We know Perl has PDL for data science,
>>> http://pdl.perl.org/
>>>
>>> We are looking into it and see if it's possible to make a Perl6 version
>>> of Scikit-learn based on PDL.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:40 PM JJ Merelo <jjmerelo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that i=
n
>>>> some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive macro syst=
ems,
>>>> which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It's more
>>>> scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of
>>>> mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or th=
ings
>>>> like that.
>>>>
>>>> El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (<tom.blkwood@gmail.com=
>)
>>>> escribi=C3=B3:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you think of Julia language?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)
>>>>>
>>>>> It says it is also influenced by perl language.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> JJ
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Fernando Santagata
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#000000">If ma=
th is your area of interest, the GSL is interesting *and* humongous: I&#39;=
ve been working on it for two weeks writing the raw interface to the C libr=
ary and I just started to write a Raku-level interface, something that woul=
d let programmers use the library without having to learn how to create a C=
Array and convert between Raku and C types.</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"color:#000000">So after two weeks I counted how many C function=
s I converted as a raw interface: 561. Then I found out that I was at the t=
hird group of functions of about 40.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"color:#000000">Did I say it&#39;s huge?</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"color:#000000">I think I will write the Raku interface to what=
 I&#39;ve done so far and start publish the &quot;work in progress&quot; on=
 the CPAN, so other people will know that there&#39;s someone working on it=
.. PRs will be welcome ;-)<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 7:41 PM Tom Black=
wood &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
><div dir=3D"auto">Nice! Thanks for=C2=A0letting me know.</div></div><div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon,=
 Dec 9, 2019 at 12:21 AM Fernando Santagata &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nando.san=
tagata@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">nando.santagata@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Hi,</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">I authored an interface to=
 the Fastest Fourier Transform in the West (libfftw3) as Math::FFT::Libfftw=
3; I&#39;m working on an interface to the GNU Scientific Library (libgsl).<=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">I&#39;m wr=
iting this just to avoid duplicating an effort.<br></div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 8, 201=
9 at 12:18 PM Tom Blackwood &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks=C2=A0 JJ.=
</div><div>We know Perl has PDL for data science,</div><div><a href=3D"http=
://pdl.perl.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://pdl.perl.org/</a></div><div><br>=
</div><div>We are looking into it and see if it&#39;s possible to make a Pe=
rl6 version of <span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-var=
iant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text=
-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;backgro=
und-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-co=
lor:initial;display:inline;float:none">Scikit-learn</span> based on PDL.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>regards.</div><div>Tom<br></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 =
at 6:40 PM JJ Merelo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjmerelo@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">jjmerelo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">It might have been, but syntax is =
more Python-like to the point that in some cases it&#39;s exactly the same.=
 It&#39;s got a very extensive macro systems, which enables it to work conc=
urrently, for instance. It&#39;s more scientific-computing oriented, which =
means that there are all sort of mathematical modules for it, and not so ma=
ny for web, databases, or things like that.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4=
:38, Tom Blackwood (&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</a>&gt;) escribi=C3=B3:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello</div><div=
><br></div><div>How do you think of Julia language?</div><div><br></div><di=
v>

<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)</a=
>

</div><div><br></div><div>It says it is also influenced by perl language.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">JJ</div>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">Fernando S=
antagata</div>
</blockquote></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_signature">Fernando Santagata</div>

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Let=E2=80=99s not hide the fact that Julia development raised 4.6 million d=
ollars
and the language is production-ready.

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 12:46, JJ Merelo <jjmerelo@gmail.com> wrote:

> It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that in
> some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive macro systems=
,
> which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It's more
> scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of
> mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or thing=
s
> like that.
>
> El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (<tom.blkwood@gmail.com>)
> escribi=C3=B3:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> How do you think of Julia language?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)
>>
>> It says it is also influenced by perl language.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>
>
> --
> JJ
>
--=20
Andrew Shitov
______________________________________________________________________
andy@shitov.ru | http://shitov.ru

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<div><div dir=3D"auto">Let=E2=80=99s not hide the fact that Julia developme=
nt raised 4.6 million dollars and the language is production-ready.</div></=
div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, 8 Dec 2019=
 at 12:46, JJ Merelo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjmerelo@gmail.com">jjmerelo@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr">It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that in=
 some cases it&#39;s exactly the same. It&#39;s got a very extensive macro =
systems, which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It&#39;s more=
 scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of math=
ematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or things like=
 that.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
) escribi=C3=B3:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello</div><div><br></div><div>How do you think of J=
ulia language?</div><div><br></div><div>

<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)</a=
>

</div><div><br></div><div>It says it is also influenced by perl language.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">JJ</div>
</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Andrew Shitov<br>_______________________=
_______________________________________________<br><a href=3D"mailto:andy@s=
hitov.ru" target=3D"_blank">andy@shitov.ru</a> | <a href=3D"http://shitov.r=
u" target=3D"_blank">http://shitov.ru</a></div>

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andy
12/8/2019 7:27:58 PM
Who initiated the project, and why?
What deficiencies in existing languages are they trying to address?

The belief that Yet Another Programming Language is the answer to the
world's problems is a persistent, but (IMNSHO) a naive one.

On 12/8/19, Andrew Shitov <andy@shitov.ru> wrote:
> Let=E2=80=99s not hide the fact that Julia development raised 4.6 million=
 dollars
> and the language is production-ready.
>
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 12:46, JJ Merelo <jjmerelo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that in
>> some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive macro
>> systems,
>> which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It's more
>> scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of
>> mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or
>> things
>> like that.
>>
>> El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (<tom.blkwood@gmail.com>)
>> escribi=C3=B3:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> How do you think of Julia language?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)
>>>
>>> It says it is also influenced by perl language.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> JJ
>>
> --
> Andrew Shitov
> ______________________________________________________________________
> andy@shitov.ru | http://shitov.ru
>
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1parrota
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>> The belief that Yet Another Programming Language is the answer to the
>> world's problems is a persistent, but (IMNSHO) a naive one.

Some people might think that applies to Raku.
Not me, but some people.

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 2:09 PM Parrot Raiser <1parrota@gmail.com> wrote:

> Who initiated the project, and why?
> What deficiencies in existing languages are they trying to address?
>
> The belief that Yet Another Programming Language is the answer to the
> world's problems is a persistent, but (IMNSHO) a naive one.
>
> On 12/8/19, Andrew Shitov <andy@shitov.ru> wrote:
> > Let=E2=80=99s not hide the fact that Julia development raised 4.6 milli=
on dollars
> > and the language is production-ready.
> >
> > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 12:46, JJ Merelo <jjmerelo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that i=
n
> >> some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive macro
> >> systems,
> >> which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It's more
> >> scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of
> >> mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or
> >> things
> >> like that.
> >>
> >> El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (<tom.blkwood@gmail.com
> >)
> >> escribi=C3=B3:
> >>
> >>> Hello
> >>>
> >>> How do you think of Julia language?
> >>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)
> >>>
> >>> It says it is also influenced by perl language.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> JJ
> >>
> > --
> > Andrew Shitov
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> > andy@shitov.ru | http://shitov.ru
> >
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt; The belief that Yet Another Programming Language =
is the answer to the<br>&gt;&gt; world&#39;s problems is a persistent, but =
(IMNSHO) a naive one.<br><div><br></div><div>Some people might think that a=
pplies to Raku.</div><div>Not me, but some people.</div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 8, 2019=
 at 2:09 PM Parrot Raiser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:1parrota@gmail.com">1parrot=
a@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">Who initiated the project, and why?<br>
What deficiencies in existing languages are they trying to address?<br>
<br>
The belief that Yet Another Programming Language is the answer to the<br>
world&#39;s problems is a persistent, but (IMNSHO) a naive one.<br>
<br>
On 12/8/19, Andrew Shitov &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andy@shitov.ru" target=3D"_=
blank">andy@shitov.ru</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Let=E2=80=99s not hide the fact that Julia development raised 4.6 mill=
ion dollars<br>
&gt; and the language is production-ready.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 12:46, JJ Merelo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjmerelo@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjmerelo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point th=
at in<br>
&gt;&gt; some cases it&#39;s exactly the same. It&#39;s got a very extensiv=
e macro<br>
&gt;&gt; systems,<br>
&gt;&gt; which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It&#39;s more=
<br>
&gt;&gt; scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort=
 of<br>
&gt;&gt; mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, o=
r<br>
&gt;&gt; things<br>
&gt;&gt; like that.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</a>&gt;)=
<br>
&gt;&gt; escribi=C3=B3:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; How do you think of Julia language?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_la=
nguage)" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki=
/Julia_(programming_language)</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; It says it is also influenced by perl language.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Regards<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt; JJ<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Andrew Shitov<br>
&gt; ______________________________________________________________________=
<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:andy@shitov.ru" target=3D"_blank">andy@shitov.ru</a>=
 | <a href=3D"http://shitov.ru" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/shitov.ru</a><br>
&gt;<br>
</blockquote></div>

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b2gills
12/8/2019 8:55:43 PM
I agree with you. Improving an existing one is different, even if
fixing the original does give turn out to produce what is effectively
a new one.

Addressing a completely new class of problem would also be different,
but that would be moving up the stack.
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1parrota
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I think the motivation for Julia was that nothing delivered both the
performance and flexibility they wanted for numeric programming. C/C++ are
too static and dangerous, Matlab proprietary, (not sure what they don't
like about Octave), Java too verbose and lacking in numeric primitives,
Common Lisp too archaic and labour intensive to optimize. Python, Ruby,
Perl, R etc are too slow and so require C/C++ libraries to do all the heavy
lifting, which gets awkward when the solution requires crossing the
language boundary a lot.

Sure there are a lot of programming languages around these days and I share
the frustration this can cause, but new languages also serve to explore the
space of possibilites, after all in this realm we are just short sighted
apes stumbling about.

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 at 06:39, Parrot Raiser <1parrota@gmail.com> wrote:

> Who initiated the project, and why?
> What deficiencies in existing languages are they trying to address?
>
> The belief that Yet Another Programming Language is the answer to the
> world's problems is a persistent, but (IMNSHO) a naive one.
>
> On 12/8/19, Andrew Shitov <andy@shitov.ru> wrote:
> > Let=E2=80=99s not hide the fact that Julia development raised 4.6 milli=
on dollars
> > and the language is production-ready.
> >
> > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 12:46, JJ Merelo <jjmerelo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point that i=
n
> >> some cases it's exactly the same. It's got a very extensive macro
> >> systems,
> >> which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It's more
> >> scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort of
> >> mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, or
> >> things
> >> like that.
> >>
> >> El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (<tom.blkwood@gmail.com
> >)
> >> escribi=C3=B3:
> >>
> >>> Hello
> >>>
> >>> How do you think of Julia language?
> >>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)
> >>>
> >>> It says it is also influenced by perl language.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> JJ
> >>
> > --
> > Andrew Shitov
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> > andy@shitov.ru | http://shitov.ru
> >
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think the motivation for Julia was that nothing delivere=
d both the performance and flexibility they wanted for numeric programming.=
 C/C++ are too static and dangerous, Matlab proprietary, (not sure what the=
y don&#39;t like about Octave), Java too verbose and lacking in numeric pri=
mitives, Common Lisp too archaic and labour intensive to optimize. Python, =
Ruby, Perl, R etc are too slow and so require C/C++ libraries to do all the=
 heavy lifting, which gets awkward when the solution requires crossing the =
language boundary a lot.<div><br></div><div>Sure there are a lot of program=
ming languages around these days and I share the frustration this can cause=
, but new languages also serve to explore the space of possibilites, after =
all in this realm we are just short sighted apes stumbling about.</div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On M=
on, 9 Dec 2019 at 06:39, Parrot Raiser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:1parrota@gmail=
..com">1parrota@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex">Who initiated the project, and why?<br>
What deficiencies in existing languages are they trying to address?<br>
<br>
The belief that Yet Another Programming Language is the answer to the<br>
world&#39;s problems is a persistent, but (IMNSHO) a naive one.<br>
<br>
On 12/8/19, Andrew Shitov &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:andy@shitov.ru" target=3D"_=
blank">andy@shitov.ru</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Let=E2=80=99s not hide the fact that Julia development raised 4.6 mill=
ion dollars<br>
&gt; and the language is production-ready.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 12:46, JJ Merelo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjmerelo@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjmerelo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; It might have been, but syntax is more Python-like to the point th=
at in<br>
&gt;&gt; some cases it&#39;s exactly the same. It&#39;s got a very extensiv=
e macro<br>
&gt;&gt; systems,<br>
&gt;&gt; which enables it to work concurrently, for instance. It&#39;s more=
<br>
&gt;&gt; scientific-computing oriented, which means that there are all sort=
 of<br>
&gt;&gt; mathematical modules for it, and not so many for web, databases, o=
r<br>
&gt;&gt; things<br>
&gt;&gt; like that.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; El dom., 8 dic. 2019 a las 4:38, Tom Blackwood (&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:tom.blkwood@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tom.blkwood@gmail.com</a>&gt;)=
<br>
&gt;&gt; escribi=C3=B3:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; How do you think of Julia language?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_la=
nguage)" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki=
/Julia_(programming_language)</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; It says it is also influenced by perl language.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Regards<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt; JJ<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Andrew Shitov<br>
&gt; ______________________________________________________________________=
<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:andy@shitov.ru" target=3D"_blank">andy@shitov.ru</a>=
 | <a href=3D"http://shitov.ru" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/shitov.ru</a><br>
&gt;<br>
</blockquote></div>

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