We currently have two node NW6SP5 cluster, one NW6SP5 non-cluster, and 
some NW50SP6a servers.  We plan to upgrade the 6.0 servers to OES NetWare 
6.5; migrate one of our 5.0 servers to newer hardware and remove the 
others.  

Currently one of the cluster servers is the master and SLPDA.
To introduce OES NetWare 6.5 to the tree, what is better to do first:

*migrate the 5.0 server to a box running NW6SP5, make it master, then do 
an inplace upgrade to OES NetWare 6.5, then do inplace OES 6.5 upgrade to 
6.0 cluster and non-cluster servers?

*or migrate the 5.0 server to a box running OES NetWare 6.5, make it 
master, then do inplace OES 6.5 upgrade to 6.0 cluster and non-cluster 
servers?

*or make the 6.0 non-cluster the master, do an inplace OES NetWare 6.5 
upgrade, then migrate the 5.0 to an OES NetWare 6.5 box,  then do inplace 
OES 6.5 upgrade to 6.0 cluster servers?
(this non-cluster 6.0 server is a non-critical server that was upgraded 
from 5.1 to 6.0 and currently does not have a replica).  Is having 4 
replicas to many?

At what point should I remove the other 5.0 servers, before or after 
upgrading the others?

Please advise.
thanx
Haydee

find out which server is also the certificate server, make it the
master, then upgrade it to 6.5 first

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roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

> Currently one of the cluster servers is the master

> find out which server is also the certificate server, make it the
> master, then upgrade it to 6.5 first
> 
> roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:
> 
> > Currently one of the cluster servers is the master

The 5.0 server that is being migrated used to be the master and CA.  
But it was changed, now the cluster node that is the master is also the 
CA.  I was hoping to first upgrade a non-cluster server.  Does this mean I 
should upgrade the cluster CA first?  Is it advisable to first make a non-
cluster note the CA and Master?

When I look in the properties of the Organizational CA, the Host Server is 
the 6.0 cluser node.    But, in the WO properties, the NDSPKI:SD key 
Server DN is still the 5.0 server.   Is this correct?   Shouldn't it also 
be the 6.0 CA node?     If so, can the node be added thru the add button? 
and remove the 5.0?

Please advise.
thanx again.
haydee

roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

>  Does this mean I 
> should upgrade the cluster CA first?  Is it advisable to first make a
> non- cluster note the CA and Master?
> 

I don't think you have to move your CA (it is a PITA to do) - if you
are using powerpath, see
http://support.novell.com/techcenter/search/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docT
ype=kc&externalId=10096877html&sliceId=&dialogID=1036287 for a gotcha

> When I look in the properties of the Organizational CA, the Host
> Server is the 6.0 cluser node.    But, in the WO properties, the
> NDSPKI:SD key Server DN is still the 5.0 server.   Is this correct?
> Shouldn't it also be the 6.0 CA node?     If so, can the node be
> added thru the add button?  and remove the 5.0?

The 5.0 server that is listed is where the SD is - see
http://support.novell.com/techcenter/search/Docs/Tids/Solutions/10056795
..html  It doesn't have to be the 6.0 CA node.


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> roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:
> 
> >  Does this mean I 
> > should upgrade the cluster CA first?  Is it advisable to first make a
> > non- cluster note the CA and Master?
> > 
> 
> I don't think you have to move your CA (it is a PITA to do) - if you
> are using powerpath, see
> http://support.novell.com/techcenter/search/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docT
> ype=kc&externalId=10096877html&sliceId=&dialogID=1036287 for a gotcha

I looked in nwconfig, i don't see EMC Powerpath installed.  We have a NAS 
(not a SAN),,, it's one of those HP DL380 clusterpackage.  So, I guess 
it's not installed,, where else can I check?

> > When I look in the properties of the Organizational CA, the Host
> > Server is the 6.0 cluser node.    But, in the WO properties, the
> > NDSPKI:SD key Server DN is still the 5.0 server.   Is this correct?
> > Shouldn't it also be the 6.0 CA node?     If so, can the node be
> > added thru the add button?  and remove the 5.0?
> 
> The 5.0 server that is listed is where the SD is - see
> http://support.novell.com/techcenter/search/Docs/Tids/Solutions/10056795

So the 5.0 that we are migrating is currently where the SD key is.  This 
5.0 server is also the (single) time provider. After migrating it to 6.5, 
we want it to continue to be the time provider, to continue to hold the SD 
key, and if possible be the CA again, (if we can do without breaking 
anything). 

So, I guess before we migrate the server we assign another time provider 
and another 5.0 server with a copy of the key to hold the SD key?

I checked to see what servers had copy of the key,, and it appears only 
the other two 5.0 servers that eventually will be removed from the tree 
have a copy.

The 6.0 cluster servers have a NICIFK file (not a nicisdi.key file); and 
the other 6.0 non-cluster server (one that was inplace upgraded from 5.0) 
has a different nicisdi.key file (different size, & date).

(I'm thinking maybe that is why we could never get CIFS to work on the 
cluster,, when setting simple password we get a 1460 error, but thats 
another issue; maybe we can fix by fixing this CA issue).

Is this how we want to proceed?
1.  assign another time provider
2.  assign another 5.0 to hold the SD key
3.  migrate the 5.0 to 6.5
4.  after migrating, make it master, time provider, assign the SD key 
again, and make it the CA again?

5.  then do inplace upgrade on the 6.0 servers?
6.  and remove the 5.0 servers.

> ..html  It doesn't have to be the 6.0 CA node.

I get confused,, what is the difference between the CA and the one holding 
the SD key?  I thought the CA was the CA because if had the SD key....
whatever,
Please advise.
thanx.
Haydee


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roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

> Is this how we want to proceed?
> 1.  assign another time provider
> 2.  assign another 5.0 to hold the SD key
> 3.  migrate the 5.0 to 6.5
> 4.  after migrating, make it master, time provider, assign the SD key 
> again, and make it the CA again?
> 
> 5.  then do inplace upgrade on the 6.0 servers?
> 6.  and remove the 5.0 servers.
> 
> > ..html  It doesn't have to be the 6.0 CA node.
> 

a) time provider doesn't matter 
b) if you already have a replica on the server that is the CA, make
that server the master replica and upgrade it first


> I get confused,, what is the difference between the CA and the one
> holding the SD key?  I thought the CA was the CA because if had the
> SD key....  whatever,
>

no, the one holding the key allows you to regen your CA, I think


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> roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:
> 
> > Is this how we want to proceed?
> > 1.  assign another time provider
> > 2.  assign another 5.0 to hold the SD key
> > 3.  migrate the 5.0 to 6.5
> > 4.  after migrating, make it master, time provider, assign the SD key 
> > again, and make it the CA again?
> > 
> > 5.  then do inplace upgrade on the 6.0 servers?
> > 6.  and remove the 5.0 servers.
> > 
> > > ..html  It doesn't have to be the 6.0 CA node.
> > 
> 
> a) time provider doesn't matter 
> b) if you already have a replica on the server that is the CA, make
> that server the master replica and upgrade it first

The cluster node that is the CA is also the master,,, I'm trying to do 
the "first" 6.5 upgrade on a non-cluster node,, (sounds too risky doing 
the cluster first.)

> 
> 
> > I get confused,, what is the difference between the CA and the one
> > holding the SD key?  I thought the CA was the CA because if had the
> > SD key....  whatever,
> >
> 
> no, the one holding the key allows you to regen your CA, I think
> 
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roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

> The cluster node that is the CA is also the master,,, I'm trying to
> do the "first" 6.5 upgrade on a non-cluster node,, (sounds too risky
> doing the cluster first.)


your choice :)  However, I cannot recommend making one of the 5.0
servers both the master and the CA.  I would take the cluster node that
is the master & CA "offline" from the cluster and do it first
(ULDNCS.NCF) - I am on the bus right now and can't look up the upgrade
guidelines, but I think that if you do the cluster nodes one at a time
it won't change NSS until the last one is done

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> roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:
> 
> > The cluster node that is the CA is also the master,,, I'm trying to
> > do the "first" 6.5 upgrade on a non-cluster node,, (sounds too risky
> > doing the cluster first.)
> 
> 
> your choice :)  However, I cannot recommend making one of the 5.0
> servers both the master and the CA.  I would take the cluster node that
> is the master & CA "offline" from the cluster and do it first
> (ULDNCS.NCF) - I am on the bus right now and can't look up the upgrade
> guidelines, but I think that if you do the cluster nodes one at a time
> it won't change NSS until the last one is done

How does it change NSS?

*So, I take both nodes offline (uldncs.ncf).
*Upgrade one, (any post patches?) reboot it, make sure it's in sync with 
others.
*Ugrade node two, reboot it, make sure it's in sync.
*Then, reboot both nodes loading cluster (ldncs.ncf) and hope it all 
works.


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roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

> How does it change NSS?


NSS has had lots of changes from 5.x to 6.x, all of them good - but
they are changes

just make SURE that you run the deployment manager, it has a cluster
pre-upgrade that needs to run (put the NetWare 6.5 CD in your
workstation CDROM drive and the deployment manager should start
automatically).

Also, download and use the NetWare 6.5 SP4A overlay CD's for the
install.

Again, be SURE to run ALL of the deployment manager steps


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> roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:
> 
> > How does it change NSS?
> 
> 
> NSS has had lots of changes from 5.x to 6.x, all of them good - but
> they are changes
> 
> just make SURE that you run the deployment manager, it has a cluster
> pre-upgrade that needs to run (put the NetWare 6.5 CD in your
> workstation CDROM drive and the deployment manager should start
> automatically).
> 
> Also, download and use the NetWare 6.5 SP4A overlay CD's for the
> install.
> 
> Again, be SURE to run ALL of the deployment manager steps

O-K.  After all NW6 servers are upgraded to 6.5, I can then use migration 
wizard v6.5 to migrage the NW50sp6a which is running edir rev 85.30 to the 
new 6.5 box?
thanx again.
haydee
> 
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roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

>  I can then use migration 
> wizard v6.5 to migrage the NW50sp6a which is running edir rev 85.30
> to the new 6.5 box?


you should be able to - I think the Deployment Manager will probably do
an edir upgrade of some sort on the box :)

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> roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:
> 
> >  I can then use migration 
> > wizard v6.5 to migrage the NW50sp6a which is running edir rev 85.30
> > to the new 6.5 box?
> 
> 
> you should be able to - I think the Deployment Manager will probably do
> an edir upgrade of some sort on the box :)

I saw somewhere that the minimum to upgrade to 6.5 is edir v8.6 or later.
and, edir 8.5 is not supported,, (is 8.5 same as edir 85.30?)

Is minimum only required for first 6.5 in tree?  Once there is a 6.5 in 
tree, I can then migrate a 5.0 edir 85.30 server?  Or, is minimum 
referring to inplace upgrade and not migration?

please advise.
thanx again.
haydee

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roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

>  Or, is minimum 
> referring to inplace upgrade and not migration?

http://www.novell.com/documentation/nw65/index.html?page=/documentation/
nw65/install/data/hc75s32n.html



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> roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:
> 
> >  Or, is minimum 
> > referring to inplace upgrade and not migration?
> 
> http://www.novell.com/documentation/nw65/index.html?page=/documentation/
> nw65/install/data/hc75s32n.html
---
above URL
States:
"The server to be upgraded must be running one of the following: 
NetWare 5.1 server with Support Pack 6 or later 
Upgrading to NetWare 6.5 from NetWare 5.1 Support Pack 6 and eDirectory 
version 8.5 is not supported. The minimum eDirectory level required to 
upgrade to NetWare 6.5 is eDirectory version 8.6 or later."
---
This is why I'm confused.  After, I do the inplace upgrade to the 6.0 
cluster nodes, (I want to migrate a NW50sp6a that runs edir 85.30.
can i do that?)

---
also states:
""Upgrading to NetWare 6.5 from NetWare 5.1 running NDS� version 7 or 
later is supported, providing that Deployment Manager is first run to 
prepare the network for the new NetWare 6.5 server.
---
is edir 85.30 that is running on the NW50sp6a server consider to be NDS 7 
or later and I just run Deployment Mgr before the migration?

thanx, sorry i'm confused.
haydee

just to be clear,,
To migrate 50sp6a with edir 85.30 to Netware (6.5) OES I use Migration 
Wizard 8.1?
to migrate to NetWare 60sp5 I use Mig Wizard 6.5?
Not Mig Wiz 7.1?  what happenned to 7.1? does not exist?

thanx for your patience.
Haydee


> > roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:
> > 
> > >  Or, is minimum 
> > > referring to inplace upgrade and not migration?
> > 
> > http://www.novell.com/documentation/nw65/index.html?
page=/documentation/
> > nw65/install/data/hc75s32n.html
> ---
> above URL
> States:
> "The server to be upgraded must be running one of the following: 
> NetWare 5.1 server with Support Pack 6 or later 
> Upgrading to NetWare 6.5 from NetWare 5.1 Support Pack 6 and eDirectory 
> version 8.5 is not supported. The minimum eDirectory level required to 
> upgrade to NetWare 6.5 is eDirectory version 8.6 or later."
> ---
> This is why I'm confused.  After, I do the inplace upgrade to the 6.0 
> cluster nodes, (I want to migrate a NW50sp6a that runs edir 85.30.
> can i do that?)
> 
> ---
> also states:
> ""Upgrading to NetWare 6.5 from NetWare 5.1 running NDS� version 7 or 
> later is supported, providing that Deployment Manager is first run to 
> prepare the network for the new NetWare 6.5 server.
> ---
> is edir 85.30 that is running on the NW50sp6a server consider to be NDS 
7 
> or later and I just run Deployment Mgr before the migration?
> 
> thanx, sorry i'm confused.
> haydee

roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

> (I want to migrate a NW50sp6a that runs edir 85.30.
> can i do that?)

I think you can with the mig wiz, but not in-place.  If you want to do
an in-place upgrade, you have to upgrade to NW 5.1 first.  The reason
you are confused is that you are mixing up your netware versions - you
have netware 5.0 and these docs are all talking about netware 5.1

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roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

> Not Mig Wiz 7.1?  what happenned to 7.1? does not exist?

there used to be one, but it went away.  supposedly, the SCMT tool that
you can download from Novell has all of the functionality you need -
but you can still get the mig wiz 6.5 from some sites

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> roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:
> 
> > Not Mig Wiz 7.1?  what happenned to 7.1? does not exist?
> 
> there used to be one, but it went away.  supposedly, the SCMT tool that
> you can download from Novell has all of the functionality you need -
> but you can still get the mig wiz 6.5 from some sites

MigWz 8.1 states:
"The following NetWare configurations have been tested as destination 
servers with NetWare Migration Wizard 8.1:
Open Enterprise Server for NetWare FCS or later"

?MW60 is not listed as destination server,, can I still use 8.1 to migrate 
50sp6a to a 60sp5 server box?
I rather use 8.1 if i could.

thanx again.
haydee
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> roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:
> 
> > (I want to migrate a NW50sp6a that runs edir 85.30.
> > can i do that?)
> 
> I think you can with the mig wiz, but not in-place.  If you want to do
> an in-place upgrade, you have to upgrade to NW 5.1 first.  The reason
> you are confused is that you are mixing up your netware versions - you
> have netware 5.0 and these docs are all talking about netware 5.1

can I use migw 8.1 to migrate nw50sp6a to a nw6sp5 box?

thanx.
haydee



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roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

> can I still use 8.1 to migrate 
> 50sp6a to a 60sp5 server box?


I dont' know - I don't know what is supported with 50sp6a

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roblesh@ba.ars.usda.gov wrote:

> can I use migw 8.1 to migrate nw50sp6a to a nw6sp5 box?


I don't know - I would post that as a new question

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