Is there a way to kill quoted content?

Hi All,

The filters do a good job of deleting newsgroup posts
from those excruciating a** holes that tend to
haunt such places.

Problem, if someone quotes them, you get to see their
filth in the quote.

In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from
those on your delete filter?  An add-on?

Many thanks,
-T
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On 2018-02-13 4:37 AM, T wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> The filters do a good job of deleting newsgroup posts
> from those excruciating a** holes that tend to
> haunt such places.
> 
> Problem, if someone quotes them, you get to see their
> filth in the quote.
> 
> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from
> those on your delete filter?  An add-on?
> 
> Many thanks,

If you set the filter action to "Ignore Subthread", then replies to the 
offending post and replies to those posts will be hidden and marked as read.

-- 
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator
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Chris
2/13/2018 2:55:21 PM
Chris Ilias wrote:

> On 2018-02-13 4:37 AM, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> The filters do a good job of deleting newsgroup posts
>> from those excruciating a** holes that tend to
>> haunt such places.
>> 
>> Problem, if someone quotes them, you get to see their
>> filth in the quote.
>> 
>> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from
>> those on your delete filter?� An add-on?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
> 
> If you set the filter action to "Ignore Subthread", then replies to the 
> offending post and replies to those posts will be hidden and marked as read.

Oh no they won't - every time anyone adds a post they will show up again as
an underlined message in the message list and will not go away. The pane
will eventually completely fill up with the junk  - rendering it unusable.
I reported the "ignore subthread" action as broken five years ago, and
although it was acknowledged no-one has even attempted to fix it yet. 

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799040

It is the reason why I have to use Dialog for newsgroups. As you can see
from the recent additions to the bug, others are still struggling with it
too. Like all the Mozilla products they will continue to add new bells and
whistles whilst never fixing the serious old bugs. Luckily for Mozilla
Thunderbird is still the best email client if you require compatibility and
synchronisation with Google systems or no one would use it at all. 


-- 
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - Mark
Twain
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Bob
2/13/2018 3:48:44 PM
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On 13/02/2018 15:48, Bob Henson wrote:
> Oh no they won't - every time anyone adds a post they will show up again as
> an underlined message in the message list and will not go away.

How about Ignore "Thread" as well as "Subthread" ?  This means you 
create two filters so either of them can kick in when the conditions are 
met.

All my filters are against subjects or individuals' email address or 
name and they are set to be deleted.  It works for me because on some 
days I hardly see any messages on Windows NG because my filter list is 
very large indeed.  One of these days I'll decide to delete them all and 
start again but for the time being I have kept them.

>
>


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    How about Ignore "Thread" as well as "Subthread" ?  This means you
    create two filters so either of them can kick in when the conditions
    are met.<br>
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    All my filters are against subjects or individuals' email address or
    name and they are set to be deleted.  It works for me because on
    some days I hardly see any messages on Windows NG because my filter
    list is very large indeed.  One of these days I'll decide to delete
    them all and start again but for the time being I have kept them.<br>
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Good
2/13/2018 5:00:07 PM
On 02/13/2018 06:55 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 2018-02-13 4:37 AM, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The filters do a good job of deleting newsgroup posts
>> from those excruciating a** holes that tend to
>> haunt such places.
>>
>> Problem, if someone quotes them, you get to see their
>> filth in the quote.
>>
>> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from
>> those on your delete filter?  An add-on?
>>
>> Many thanks,
> 
> If you set the filter action to "Ignore Subthread", then replies to the 
> offending post and replies to those posts will be hidden and marked as 
> read.
> 

I want to see the sub-threads, I just want the turkeys
stuff removed.  Often times the sub-threads have things I
want/need to see in them.
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T
2/13/2018 10:25:45 PM
On 02/13/2018 02:37 AM, T wrote:
> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from 
> those on your delete filter?  An add-on?

I use the QuoteCollapse (http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/) add-on to 
automatically minimize quoted text to a single line when I'm reading 
messages.

I simply click a plus at the start of the line and the quote will expand 
out and allow me to read it.  (I can also hit minus to minimize it again.)

This does hide a lot of crap.



-- 
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Grant
2/13/2018 11:50:17 PM
On 02/13/2018 03:50 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 02/13/2018 02:37 AM, T wrote:
>> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from those on your 
>> delete filter?  An add-on?
> 
> I use the QuoteCollapse (http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/) add-on to 
> automatically minimize quoted text to a single line when I'm reading 
> messages.
> 
> I simply click a plus at the start of the line and the quote will expand 
> out and allow me to read it.  (I can also hit minus to minimize it again.)
> 
> This does hide a lot of crap.
> 
> 
> 

Cool!  Thank you!
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T
2/13/2018 11:56:13 PM
On 02/13/2018 06:50 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 02/13/2018 02:37 AM, T wrote:
>> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from
>> those on your delete filter?  An add-on?
> 
> I use the QuoteCollapse (http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/) add-on to
> automatically minimize quoted text to a single line when I'm reading
> messages.
> 
> I simply click a plus at the start of the line and the quote will expand
> out and allow me to read it.  (I can also hit minus to minimize it again.)
> 
> This does hide a lot of crap.
> 
> 
> 

In what version of TB?

-- 
Caver1
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Caver1
2/14/2018 1:03:09 AM
On 2/13/18 8:03 PM, Caver1 wrote:
> On 02/13/2018 06:50 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 02/13/2018 02:37 AM, T wrote:
>>> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from
>>> those on your delete filter?  An add-on?
>>
>> I use the QuoteCollapse (http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/) add-on to
>> automatically minimize quoted text to a single line when I'm reading
>> messages.
>>
>> I simply click a plus at the start of the line and the quote will expand
>> out and allow me to read it.  (I can also hit minus to minimize it 
>> again.)
>>
>> This does hide a lot of crap.
>>
>>
>>
>
> In what version of TB?
>
52.5.2

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WaltS48
2/14/2018 1:45:01 AM
On 02/13/2018 05:03 PM, Caver1 wrote:
> On 02/13/2018 06:50 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 02/13/2018 02:37 AM, T wrote:
>>> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from
>>> those on your delete filter?  An add-on?
>>
>> I use the QuoteCollapse (http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/) add-on to
>> automatically minimize quoted text to a single line when I'm reading
>> messages.
>>
>> I simply click a plus at the start of the line and the quote will expand
>> out and allow me to read it.  (I can also hit minus to minimize it 
>> again.)
>>
>> This does hide a lot of crap.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> In what version of TB?
> 


I am running 52.6.0 in Linux
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T
2/14/2018 1:48:59 AM
On 02/13/2018 08:48 PM, T wrote:
> On 02/13/2018 05:03 PM, Caver1 wrote:
>> On 02/13/2018 06:50 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>>> On 02/13/2018 02:37 AM, T wrote:
>>>> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from
>>>> those on your delete filter?  An add-on?
>>>
>>> I use the QuoteCollapse (http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/) add-on to
>>> automatically minimize quoted text to a single line when I'm reading
>>> messages.
>>>
>>> I simply click a plus at the start of the line and the quote will expand
>>> out and allow me to read it.  (I can also hit minus to minimize it
>>> again.)
>>>
>>> This does hide a lot of crap.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> In what version of TB?
>>
> 
> 
> I am running 52.6.0 in Linux
> 

At the present I'm running 52.5.2 and cannot get QuoteCollapse to work.
mozdev.org only shows it for up to TB3.
So the question I have is how are you using it?

-- 
Caver1
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Caver1
2/14/2018 2:43:59 AM
On 02/13/2018 06:43 PM, Caver1 wrote:
> On 02/13/2018 08:48 PM, T wrote:
>> On 02/13/2018 05:03 PM, Caver1 wrote:
>>> On 02/13/2018 06:50 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>>>> On 02/13/2018 02:37 AM, T wrote:
>>>>> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from
>>>>> those on your delete filter?  An add-on?
>>>>
>>>> I use the QuoteCollapse (http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/) add-on to
>>>> automatically minimize quoted text to a single line when I'm reading
>>>> messages.
>>>>
>>>> I simply click a plus at the start of the line and the quote will 
>>>> expand
>>>> out and allow me to read it.  (I can also hit minus to minimize it
>>>> again.)
>>>>
>>>> This does hide a lot of crap.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> In what version of TB?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I am running 52.6.0 in Linux
>>
> 
> At the present I'm running 52.5.2 and cannot get QuoteCollapse to work.
> mozdev.org only shows it for up to TB3.
> So the question I have is how are you using it?
> 

I am not doing anything special.  Try upgrading to 52.6.0
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T
2/14/2018 3:41:09 AM
Dne 13/02/2018 v 16:48 Bob Henson napsal(a):
> Chris Ilias wrote:
> 
>>
>> If you set the filter action to "Ignore Subthread", then replies to the 
>> offending post and replies to those posts will be hidden and marked as read.
> 
> Oh no they won't - every time anyone adds a post they will show up again as
> an underlined message in the message list and will not go away. The pane
> will eventually completely fill up with the junk  - rendering it unusable.
> I reported the "ignore subthread" action as broken five years ago, and
> although it was acknowledged no-one has even attempted to fix it yet. 
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799040
> 
> It is the reason why I have to use Dialog for newsgroups. As you can see
> from the recent additions to the bug, others are still struggling with it
> too. Like all the Mozilla products they will continue to add new bells and
> whistles whilst never fixing the serious old bugs. Luckily for Mozilla
> Thunderbird is still the best email client if you require compatibility and
> synchronisation with Google systems or no one would use it at all. 
> 
> 
The manual or rule based killing subthread does work.
It keeps msgs as kill-marked and read.

But displaying the massages works for me well
only in the time-linear list, not threaded list.

I use killing subthreads almost exclusively manually
to kill nymshifting senders or tangent ideas,
for who or which it does not make sense to create a rule.

I use a special msg tag in a rule
to mark msgs I do not want to see because of topic pattern or a sender,
+ I use a filter not to show such msgs.

Such tag filtering and a linear list hiding killed threads/subtreads
serves me well.

-- 
Poutnik


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Poutnik
2/14/2018 10:22:36 AM
Poutnik wrote:

> Dne 13/02/2018 v 16:48 Bob Henson napsal(a):
>> Chris Ilias wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>> If you set the filter action to "Ignore Subthread", then replies to the 
>>> offending post and replies to those posts will be hidden and marked as read.
>> 
>> Oh no they won't - every time anyone adds a post they will show up again as
>> an underlined message in the message list and will not go away. The pane
>> will eventually completely fill up with the junk  - rendering it unusable.
>> I reported the "ignore subthread" action as broken five years ago, and
>> although it was acknowledged no-one has even attempted to fix it yet. 
>> 
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799040
>> 
>> It is the reason why I have to use Dialog for newsgroups. As you can see
>> from the recent additions to the bug, others are still struggling with it
>> too. Like all the Mozilla products they will continue to add new bells and
>> whistles whilst never fixing the serious old bugs. Luckily for Mozilla
>> Thunderbird is still the best email client if you require compatibility and
>> synchronisation with Google systems or no one would use it at all. 
>> 
> The manual or rule based killing subthread does work.
> It keeps msgs as kill-marked and read.

But that is only part of what is needed. It needs to be fixed so that
further threaded additions to the subthread do not show up at all,
otherwise is it useless to most people. 

> 
> But displaying the massages works for me well
> only in the time-linear list, not threaded list.
> 
> I use killing subthreads almost exclusively manually
> to kill nymshifting senders or tangent ideas,
> for who or which it does not make sense to create a rule.

Even then, replies to the marked messages will show up. I, and all others
to whom I have spoken, can see no use for it unless it can be automated. I
can delete any number of messages by hand - but that is no use to me, the
whole point is to have it happen to order in threaded conversations.

> 
> I use a special msg tag in a rule
> to mark msgs I do not want to see because of topic pattern or a sender,
> + I use a filter not to show such msgs.
> 
> Such tag filtering and a linear list hiding killed threads/subtreads
> serves me well.

Sadly, almost no-one else uses such a system. The vast majority used
threaded conversations and need the bug to be fixed for the "ignore
subthread" to be of any use at all. 
-- 
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Fanatic - a person who can't change their mind, and won't change the
subject.
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Bob
2/14/2018 11:06:07 AM
Dne 14/02/2018 v 12:06 Bob Henson napsal(a):
> Poutnik wrote:

>>>
>> The manual or rule based killing subthread does work.
>> It keeps msgs as kill-marked and read.
> 
> But that is only part of what is needed. It needs to be fixed so that
> further threaded additions to the subthread do not show up at all,
> otherwise is it useless to most people. 

I agree. What I descrobe is a workaround.
> 
>>
>> But displaying the massages works for me well
>> only in the time-linear list, not threaded list.
>>
>> I use killing subthreads almost exclusively manually
>> to kill nymshifting senders or tangent ideas,
>> for who or which it does not make sense to create a rule.
> 
> Even then, replies to the marked messages will show up. I, and all others
> to whom I have spoken, can see no use for it unless it can be automated. I
> can delete any number of messages by hand - but that is no use to me, the
> whole point is to have it happen to order in threaded conversations.

Reply masgs can be displayed, as they are from reasonable people.
But if I do not like the subthread topic, I kill it manually.

In past I decided to give up with automated subthread killing,
as it kills many interesting responses.

Why to delete, if I can hide it and use reasonable expire policy ?
> 
>>
>> I use a special msg tag in a rule
>> to mark msgs I do not want to see because of topic pattern or a sender,
>> + I use a filter not to show such msgs.
>>
>> Such tag filtering and a linear list hiding killed threads/subtreads
>> serves me well.
> 
> Sadly, almost no-one else uses such a system. The vast majority used
> threaded conversations and need the bug to be fixed for the "ignore
> subthread" to be of any use at all. 
> 

I do not complain.
But until it is fixed, I do what I can do.
-- 
Poutnik


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Poutnik
2/14/2018 12:11:29 PM
Dne 14/02/2018 v 00:50 Grant Taylor napsal(a):
> On 02/13/2018 02:37 AM, T wrote:
>> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from those on your
>> delete filter?  An add-on?
> 
> I use the QuoteCollapse (http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/) add-on to
> automatically minimize quoted text to a single line when I'm reading
> messages.
> 
> I simply click a plus at the start of the line and the quote will expand
> out and allow me to read it.  (I can also hit minus to minimize it again.)
> 
> This does hide a lot of crap.
> 
YEs, it is very useful addon.
It can also, AFAIK automatically or on demand,
kill the quotes in the being replied to msg
for some quote level and above.



-- 
Poutnik


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Poutnik
2/14/2018 12:14:30 PM
Dne 14/02/2018 v 13:14 Poutnik napsal(a):
> Dne 14/02/2018 v 00:50 Grant Taylor napsal(a):
>> On 02/13/2018 02:37 AM, T wrote:
>>> In Thunderbird, is there a way to trim quoted text from those on your
>>> delete filter?  An add-on?
>>
>> I use the QuoteCollapse (http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/) add-on to
>> automatically minimize quoted text to a single line when I'm reading
>> messages.
>>
>> I simply click a plus at the start of the line and the quote will expand
>> out and allow me to read it.  (I can also hit minus to minimize it again.)
>>
>> This does hide a lot of crap.
>>
> YEs, it is very useful addon.
> It can also, AFAIK automatically or on demand,
> kill the quotes in the being replied to msg
> for some quote level and above.
> 

OOps, it is for other addon. NestedQuote remover.


-- 
Poutnik


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Poutnik
2/14/2018 12:29:29 PM
On 02/13/2018 02:37 AM, T wrote:

> Problem, if someone quotes them, you get to see their
> filth in the quote.
>
  A common problem, especially folks who cannot be bothered to trim
their posts before replying.
  IMO the best (only?) option is to respond to the ignorant replier,
trimming your post appropriately of course, to TRIM THEIR POSTS.


{rant}
Trim your posts!

There is no need for a complete history of every bit of text in 14
previous posts including "On such date somebody wrote" headers, every
respondent's signature, and every listserv trailer.

I realize many of you use smartphones and tablets and Googlegroups, and
direct experience has shown that it is unreasonably difficult to select
and delete text. Nevertheless, please make the effort.

I also realize that your response is very profound and that it is
important to get it posted as quickly as possible. However, you greatly
inconvenience the readers (for instance, me) of said profundity with all
of the extraneous text you leave in your posting making it a challenge
to even find the response.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
{/rant}

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jmm-list at sohnen-moe dot com
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James
2/14/2018 6:09:37 PM
On 02/14/2018 03:22 AM, Poutnik wrote:
> I use a special msg tag in a rule to mark msgs I do not want to see 
> because of topic pattern or a sender, + I use a filter not to show 
> such msgs.

Would you please elaborate on what you do and how you do it?

What is the tag?  (Does it matter?)

How would someone else go about reproducing your methods (for trial)?



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Grant
2/14/2018 8:30:06 PM
On 02/14/2018 05:29 AM, Poutnik wrote:
> OOps, it is for other addon. NestedQuote remover.

;-)

Yep, that's what I'm using to kill undesired / deeper quotes in replies.



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Grant
2/14/2018 8:31:06 PM
In message 
<mailman.263.1518631809.2179.support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org>, 
James Moe <jimoeDESPAMMZ@sohnen-moe.com> writes:
[]
>{rant}
>Trim your posts!
(Agreed!)
>
>There is no need for a complete history of every bit of text in 14
>previous posts including "On such date somebody wrote" headers, every
>respondent's signature, and every listserv trailer.

I leave the "x wrote" lines (but _only_ for the posters for whom I'm 
leaving any text in my followup - for example here I'm leaving the 
"James Moe wrote" line but have removed the "T wrote" line as I've 
removed his contribution).

Good software should trim signatures anyway, if they're delimited by a 
proper "-- " line (as yours is), from any followup/reply. Listserv 
trailers usually follow a signature, so should be seen as part of it and 
be deleted accordingly - again, if the signature was properly delimited.
>
>I realize many of you use smartphones and tablets and Googlegroups, and
>direct experience has shown that it is unreasonably difficult to select
>and delete text. Nevertheless, please make the effort.

Ideally, GG (and the tablet/'phone software designers) should at least 
implement the automatic removal of properly-delimited sig.s . But we 
know they won't, don't we )-:.
[]
>A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>A: Top-posting.
>Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

Like it.
>{/rant}
>
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