Filters not filtering

using Thunderbird 52.5.0 (32-bit) when I set the filters to go to 
certain folders the message always goes to the inbox no matter how I set 
them. I go to the folder and repair it and still will not go until I go 
to tools, message filters and hit run then it goes where it is supposed 
to. I can't see where I am doing anything wrong as far as setting up the 
filters. any help appreciated....
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prof
12/7/2017 11:40:46 PM
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Em 07-12-2017 21:40, prof Johnson PHD escreveu:
> using Thunderbird 52.5.0 (32-bit) when I set the filters to go to
> certain folders the message always goes to the inbox no matter how I set
> them. I go to the folder and repair it and still will not go until I go
> to tools, message filters and hit run then it goes where it is supposed
> to. I can't see where I am doing anything wrong as far as setting up the
> filters. any help appreciated....

I use Thunderbird 45.8.0, and a few days ago I had a problem with 
filters for message groups: someone that I chose to delete all new 
messages. When I restarted my computer (which I rarely do, for rare 
reasons) it started to work. I did not reboot for that, but it may have 
been solved. So, closing Thunderbird may solve it, I would guess. Have 
you done that? Probably yes, I imagine.

In the filter you created, see if the property to "run when new messages 
arrive" is checked. I cannot say anything else.
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Balaco
12/7/2017 11:53:38 PM
On 12/7/2017 3:40 PM, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
> using Thunderbird 52.5.0 (32-bit) when I set the filters to go to 
> certain folders the message always goes to the inbox no matter how I set 
> them. I go to the folder and repair it and still will not go until I go 
> to tools, message filters and hit run then it goes where it is supposed 
> to. I can't see where I am doing anything wrong as far as setting up the 
> filters. any help appreciated....
> 

A very common error when creating a filter is failing to set the radio
button for "Match any of the following".  The default is "Match all of
the following".

-- 
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

President Trump:  Please stop using Twitter.  We need
to hear your voice and see you talking.  We need to know
when your message is really your own and not your attorney's.
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David
12/8/2017 12:48:29 AM
Em 07-12-2017 22:48, David E. Ross escreveu:
> On 12/7/2017 3:40 PM, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
>> using Thunderbird 52.5.0 (32-bit) when I set the filters to go to
>> certain folders the message always goes to the inbox no matter how I set
>> them. I go to the folder and repair it and still will not go until I go
>> to tools, message filters and hit run then it goes where it is supposed
>> to. I can't see where I am doing anything wrong as far as setting up the
>> filters. any help appreciated....
>>
>
> A very common error when creating a filter is failing to set the radio
> button for "Match any of the following".  The default is "Match all of
> the following".
>

But the filter should be correct, since it worked when run manually.
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Balaco
12/8/2017 12:37:47 PM
On 12/8/2017 7:37 AM, Balaco wrote:
> Em 07-12-2017 22:48, David E. Ross escreveu:
>> On 12/7/2017 3:40 PM, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
>>> using Thunderbird 52.5.0 (32-bit) when I set the filters to go to
>>> certain folders the message always goes to the inbox no matter how I set
>>> them. I go to the folder and repair it and still will not go until I go
>>> to tools, message filters and hit run then it goes where it is supposed
>>> to. I can't see where I am doing anything wrong as far as setting up the
>>> filters. any help appreciated....
>>>
>>
>> A very common error when creating a filter is failing to set the radio
>> button for "Match any of the following".� The default is "Match all of
>> the following".
>>
> 
> But the filter should be correct, since it worked when run manually.
Thank you both for the reply..I do use "match any of the following"
if I make a new filter for the same message with a different filter name 
it will work for a day or two..

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prof
12/8/2017 4:27:56 PM
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On 08/12/2017 16:27, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
> On 12/8/2017 7:37 AM, Balaco wrote:
>> Em 07-12-2017 22:48, David E. Ross escreveu:
>>> On 12/7/2017 3:40 PM, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
>>>> using Thunderbird 52.5.0 (32-bit) when I set the filters to go to
>>>> certain folders the message always goes to the inbox no matter how 
>>>> I set
>>>> them. I go to the folder and repair it and still will not go until 
>>>> I go
>>>> to tools, message filters and hit run then it goes where it is 
>>>> supposed
>>>> to. I can't see where I am doing anything wrong as far as setting 
>>>> up the
>>>> filters. any help appreciated....
>>>>
>>>
>>> A very common error when creating a filter is failing to set the radio
>>> button for "Match any of the following".  The default is "Match all of
>>> the following".
>>>
>>
>> But the filter should be correct, since it worked when run manually.
> Thank you both for the reply..I do use "match any of the following"
> if I make a new filter for the same message with a different filter 
> name it will work for a day or two..
>

I think the best thing is to post a screenshot of your setting because, 
I suspect, you have not created the filter at the "top level".  My one 
of the filters looks like this:

https://i.imgur.com/h9bWNxyg.png <https://i.imgur.com/h9bWNxyg.png>



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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/12/2017 16:27, prof Johnson PHD
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:mailman.74.1512750509.27116.support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org"
      type="cite">On 12/8/2017 7:37 AM, Balaco wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">Em 07-12-2017 22:48, David E. Ross
        escreveu:
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">On 12/7/2017 3:40 PM, prof Johnson PHD
          wrote:
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">using Thunderbird 52.5.0 (32-bit) when
            I set the filters to go to
            <br>
            certain folders the message always goes to the inbox no
            matter how I set
            <br>
            them. I go to the folder and repair it and still will not go
            until I go
            <br>
            to tools, message filters and hit run then it goes where it
            is supposed
            <br>
            to. I can't see where I am doing anything wrong as far as
            setting up the
            <br>
            filters. any help appreciated....
            <br>
            <br>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          A very common error when creating a filter is failing to set
          the radio
          <br>
          button for "Match any of the following".  The default is
          "Match all of
          <br>
          the following".
          <br>
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        But the filter should be correct, since it worked when run
        manually.
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      Thank you both for the reply..I do use "match any of the
      following"
      <br>
      if I make a new filter for the same message with a different
      filter name it will work for a day or two..
      <br>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I think the best thing is to post a screenshot of your setting
    because, I suspect, you have not created the filter at the "top
    level".  My one of the filters looks like this:<br>
    <br>
    <a href="https://i.imgur.com/h9bWNxyg.png"><img
        alt="https://i.imgur.com/h9bWNxyg.png"
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Good
12/8/2017 4:38:40 PM
On 12/8/2017 11:38 AM, Good Guy wrote:
> On 08/12/2017 16:27, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
>> On 12/8/2017 7:37 AM, Balaco wrote:
>>> Em 07-12-2017 22:48, David E. Ross escreveu:
>>>> On 12/7/2017 3:40 PM, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
>>>>> using Thunderbird 52.5.0 (32-bit) when I set the filters to go to
>>>>> certain folders the message always goes to the inbox no matter how 
>>>>> I set
>>>>> them. I go to the folder and repair it and still will not go until 
>>>>> I go
>>>>> to tools, message filters and hit run then it goes where it is 
>>>>> supposed
>>>>> to. I can't see where I am doing anything wrong as far as setting 
>>>>> up the
>>>>> filters. any help appreciated....
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A very common error when creating a filter is failing to set the radio
>>>> button for "Match any of the following".  The default is "Match all of
>>>> the following".
>>>>
>>>
>>> But the filter should be correct, since it worked when run manually.
>> Thank you both for the reply..I do use "match any of the following"
>> if I make a new filter for the same message with a different filter 
>> name it will work for a day or two..
>>
> 
> I think the best thing is to post a screenshot of your setting because, 
> I suspect, you have not created the filter at the "top level".  My one 
> of the filters looks like this:
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/h9bWNxyg.png <https://i.imgur.com/h9bWNxyg.png>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer 
> satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.
Thank you for replying, after comparing your screen shot to my filters 
the only difference I see is you have "match all of the following" and I 
have "match any of the following" so I am changing it and see what 
happens for a day or two...thanks again.
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prof
12/9/2017 9:33:10 PM

On 09/12/17 21:33, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
> On 12/8/2017 11:38 AM, Good Guy wrote:
>> On 08/12/2017 16:27, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
>>> On 12/8/2017 7:37 AM, Balaco wrote:
>>>> Em 07-12-2017 22:48, David E. Ross escreveu:
>>>>> On 12/7/2017 3:40 PM, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
> Thank you for replying, after comparing your screen shot to my filters the only difference I see is you have "match all of the following" and I have "match any of the following" so I am changing it and see what happens for a day or two...thanks again.
>
"Match all" and "Match any" are fundamentally different flavours of logic. If you're experimenting by swapping from one to the other, I suspect you haven't grasped what they do.

If I want to filter messages from my friend John about a shared interest such as fishing, I'd have a filter on the lines of:

match all of the following
sender is John
subject contains "fishing"
then
move message to "fishing" folder

This is a logical AND. The message must be both from John and mention "fishing" in its subject, and then the filter will pick it up and move it to the "fishing" folder. Messages from Eric about fishing, or from John about the football game won't go into the "fishing" folder because they don't match all the conditions.

In another situation, I may correspond with several other people about some other shared concern. Maybe we're all on the governing board of a school or club, but otherwise have no social interconnection. So I could have a filter on the lines of:

match any of the following
sender is mr green
sender is mrs brown
sender is miss black
then
move message to "committee" folder

This is a logical OR. Messages from any of these senders will be filed in the "committee" folder.

A significant weakness of Thunderbird's filters is that you can't combine OR and AND in the same filter. This leads to having to use tricks such as having multiple filters. So if Eric joins in with the fishing, I could handle it with an additional filter:

match all
sender is Eric
subject contains "fishing"
then
move message to "fishing" folder

because I can't set up a filter that says "(if it's from John OR from Eric) AND it's about fishing...." We still need the original John/fishing filter. By using two filters, we effectively have "John AND fishing" OR "Eric AND fishing".

When you need to create more sophisticated filters, then look to the FiltaQuilla add-on. One solution is to put John and Eric (and any other anglers!) into an address book exclusively for fishing contacts. Then you can have:

match all
sender is in my "fishing" address book
subject contains "fishing"
then
move to "fishing" folder

So assuming both John and Eric are in the new "fishing" address book, any messages from either of them and mentioning "fishing" will be filtered to the "fishing" folder. Your maintenance job switches from editing filters to just adding Contacts to an address book.

None of this addresses why your filters might behave differently when run manually vs automatically. :-(

-- 
Chris

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Chris
12/9/2017 10:54:06 PM
On 12/9/2017 5:54 PM, Chris Ramsden wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09/12/17 21:33, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
>> On 12/8/2017 11:38 AM, Good Guy wrote:
>>> On 08/12/2017 16:27, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
>>>> On 12/8/2017 7:37 AM, Balaco wrote:
>>>>> Em 07-12-2017 22:48, David E. Ross escreveu:
>>>>>> On 12/7/2017 3:40 PM, prof Johnson PHD wrote:
>> Thank you for replying, after comparing your screen shot to my filters the only difference I see is you have "match all of the following" and I have "match any of the following" so I am changing it and see what happens for a day or two...thanks again.
>>
> "Match all" and "Match any" are fundamentally different flavours of logic. If you're experimenting by swapping from one to the other, I suspect you haven't grasped what they do.
> 
> If I want to filter messages from my friend John about a shared interest such as fishing, I'd have a filter on the lines of:
> 
> match all of the following
> sender is John
> subject contains "fishing"
> then
> move message to "fishing" folder
> 
> This is a logical AND. The message must be both from John and mention "fishing" in its subject, and then the filter will pick it up and move it to the "fishing" folder. Messages from Eric about fishing, or from John about the football game won't go into the "fishing" folder because they don't match all the conditions.
> 
> In another situation, I may correspond with several other people about some other shared concern. Maybe we're all on the governing board of a school or club, but otherwise have no social interconnection. So I could have a filter on the lines of:
> 
> match any of the following
> sender is mr green
> sender is mrs brown
> sender is miss black
> then
> move message to "committee" folder
> 
> This is a logical OR. Messages from any of these senders will be filed in the "committee" folder.
> 
> A significant weakness of Thunderbird's filters is that you can't combine OR and AND in the same filter. This leads to having to use tricks such as having multiple filters. So if Eric joins in with the fishing, I could handle it with an additional filter:
> 
> match all
> sender is Eric
> subject contains "fishing"
> then
> move message to "fishing" folder
> 
> because I can't set up a filter that says "(if it's from John OR from Eric) AND it's about fishing...." We still need the original John/fishing filter. By using two filters, we effectively have "John AND fishing" OR "Eric AND fishing".
> 
> When you need to create more sophisticated filters, then look to the FiltaQuilla add-on. One solution is to put John and Eric (and any other anglers!) into an address book exclusively for fishing contacts. Then you can have:
> 
> match all
> sender is in my "fishing" address book
> subject contains "fishing"
> then
> move to "fishing" folder
> 
> So assuming both John and Eric are in the new "fishing" address book, any messages from either of them and mentioning "fishing" will be filtered to the "fishing" folder. Your maintenance job switches from editing filters to just adding Contacts to an address book.
> 
> None of this addresses why your filters might behave differently when run manually vs automatically. :-(
> 
very powerful information and I am going through all my filters using 
your AND OR logic. and I thought that was only for electronics (:>)
Thank you for all this info...
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prof
12/10/2017 1:51:31 AM
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