Confirm behavior on TB 45.0b1 or 45.0b2: message replies use double line spacing instead of single space on carriage returns

Hey devs,

Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005

Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?
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2/21/2016 10:01:09 PM
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On 2/21/2016 2:01 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
> Hey devs,
> 
> Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
> bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005
> 
> Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?
> 

If this change is intended behavior, there should have been a bug report
requesting it.  What is that bug number?

-- 
David E. Ross

While many tributes to the late Supreme Court Associate Justice
Antonin Scalia now fill the news media, his legacy was not
necessarily positive.  See my "What Price Order, Mr. Justice Scalia?"
at <http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_scalia_wrong.html>.
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David
2/21/2016 10:32:41 PM
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On 21/02/16 22:32, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 2/21/2016 2:01 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>> Hey devs,
>>
>> Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
>> bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005
>>
>> Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?
>>
> If this change is intended behavior, there should have been a bug report
> requesting it.  What is that bug number?
>
I am seeing it but only when composing in html format. ISTR there was a 
bug for replacing &lt;BR&gt; by &lt;p&gt; - I wonder if the change in 
spacing is an untintended consequence? And as a check, I'll paste this 
all again with a deliberate linefeed. And with some _formatting_ to 
/force/ *html*.
I am seeing it but only when composing in html format. ISTR there was a 
bug for replacing &lt;BR&gt; by &lt;p&gt; - I wonder if the change in 
spacing is an untintended consequence? And as a check, I'll paste this 
all again with a deliberate linefeed. And with some _formatting_ to 
/force/ *html*.


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/02/16 22:32, David E. Ross wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:5rGdneYMzv-UplfLnZ2dnUU7-U2dnZ2d@mozilla.org"
      type="cite">
      <pre wrap="">On 2/21/2016 2:01 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">Hey devs,

Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
bug: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005</a>

Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?

</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
If this change is intended behavior, there should have been a bug report
requesting it.  What is that bug number?

</pre>
    </blockquote>
    I am seeing it but only when composing in html format. ISTR there
    was a bug for replacing &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt; by &amp;lt;p&amp;gt; - I
    wonder if the change in spacing is an untintended consequence? And
    as a check, I'll paste this all again with a deliberate linefeed.
    And with some <u>formatting</u> to <i>force</i> <b>html</b>.<br>
    I am seeing it but only when composing in html format. ISTR there
    was a bug for replacing &amp;lt;BR&amp;gt; by &amp;lt;p&amp;gt; - I
    wonder if the change in spacing is an untintended consequence? And
    as a check, I'll paste this all again with a deliberate linefeed.
    And with some <u>formatting</u> to <i>force</i> <b>html</b>.<br>
    <br>
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On 02/21/2016 05:01 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
> Hey devs,
>
> Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
> bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005
>
> Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?

Could that be "Return/Enter in composer will now insert a new paragraph 
by default (shift-Enter will insert a line break)" ?

Thunderbird Beta Notes 
<https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/45.0beta/releasenotes/>

I did not see that behavior here.

-- 
Linux Mint 17.3 | KDE 4.14.2 | Thunderbird 45.0b1(Beta)
Go Bucs! Go Steelers! Go Pitt! Go Pens! Go Sabres!
Visit Pittsburgh <http://www.visitpittsburgh.com/>
Coexist · Understanding Across Divides <https://www.coexist.org/>

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/21/2016 05:01 PM, Thee Chicago
      Wolf (MVP) wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:mailman.67.1456092100.12037.support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org"
      type="cite">
      <pre wrap="">Hey devs,

Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
bug: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005</a>

Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <p><font size="+2"><tt>Could that be "</tt></font>Return/Enter in
      composer will now insert a new paragraph by default (shift-Enter
      will insert a line break)" ?</p>
    <p><a
        href="https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/45.0beta/releasenotes/">Thunderbird
        Beta Notes</a></p>
    <p><font size="+2"><tt>I did not see that behavior here.</tt></font><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
      <div id="mySignature" style="width: 50%; padding: 0.8em 1.2em;
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        border: 1px solid #444; background: rgb(201,255,229); &lt;b
        style=" text-shadow:="" 1px="" 2px="" #ddd;=""
        transition:font-size="" .5s;"="">Linux Mint 17.3 | KDE 4.14.2 |
        Thunderbird 45.0b1(Beta)<br>
        Go Bucs! Go Steelers! Go Pitt! Go Pens! Go Sabres!<br>
        <a href="http://www.visitpittsburgh.com/">Visit Pittsburgh</a> <br>
        <a href="https://www.coexist.org/">Coexist · Understanding
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WaltS48
2/21/2016 11:55:19 PM
On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:55:19 -0500, WaltS48 <thalionusa@REMOVEaim.om>
wrote:

>On 02/21/2016 05:01 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>> Hey devs,
>>
>> Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
>> bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005
>>
>> Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?
>
>Could that be "Return/Enter in composer will now insert a new paragraph 
>by default (shift-Enter will insert a line break)" ?
>
>Thunderbird Beta Notes 
><https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/45.0beta/releasenotes/>
>
>I did not see that behavior here.

Some replies to the bug report note it was intended behavior.
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Thee
2/22/2016 1:47:47 AM
Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote on 2/21/2016 7:47 PM:
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:55:19 -0500, WaltS48 <thalionusa@REMOVEaim.om>
> wrote:
>
>> On 02/21/2016 05:01 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>> Hey devs,
>>>
>>> Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
>>> bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005
>>>
>>> Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?
>>
>> Could that be "Return/Enter in composer will now insert a new paragraph
>> by default (shift-Enter will insert a line break)" ?
>>
>> Thunderbird Beta Notes
>> <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/45.0beta/releasenotes/>
>>
>> I did not see that behavior here.
>
> Some replies to the bug report note it was intended behavior.
>
I went and read your bug and some related ones. Seems the two modes of 
composer had different behaviors for line spacing even if the hidden pref 
was toggled to <p>. So now the behavior is being normalized.  Time to 
check it out for side effects.
-- 
Ron K.
Thunderbird user since May, 2003
1
Ron
2/22/2016 5:52:51 AM
On 2/21/2016 9:52 PM, Ron K. wrote:
> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote on 2/21/2016 7:47 PM:
>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:55:19 -0500, WaltS48 <thalionusa@REMOVEaim.om>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/21/2016 05:01 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>>> Hey devs,
>>>>
>>>> Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
>>>> bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?
>>>
>>> Could that be "Return/Enter in composer will now insert a new paragraph
>>> by default (shift-Enter will insert a line break)" ?
>>>
>>> Thunderbird Beta Notes
>>> <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/45.0beta/releasenotes/>
>>>
>>> I did not see that behavior here.
>>
>> Some replies to the bug report note it was intended behavior.
>>
> I went and read your bug and some related ones. Seems the two modes of 
> composer had different behaviors for line spacing even if the hidden pref 
> was toggled to <p>. So now the behavior is being normalized.  Time to 
> check it out for side effects.
> 

The premise that new way of handling the Enter reflects MS Word is
false.  The default in the installed Word 2007 on my PC had 0 for the
spacing both before and after a paragraph.  It took much contriving on
my part to change this default.

I hope this change applies only to HTML-formatted messages.  I only do
plain-text messages.

-- 
David E. Ross

While many tributes to the late Supreme Court Associate Justice
Antonin Scalia now fill the news media, his legacy was not
necessarily positive.  See my "What Price Order, Mr. Justice Scalia?"
at <http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_scalia_wrong.html>.
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David
2/22/2016 6:10:32 AM
On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 22:10:32 -0800, "David E. Ross"
<nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>On 2/21/2016 9:52 PM, Ron K. wrote:
>> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote on 2/21/2016 7:47 PM:
>>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:55:19 -0500, WaltS48 <thalionusa@REMOVEaim.om>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 02/21/2016 05:01 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>>>> Hey devs,
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
>>>>> bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?
>>>>
>>>> Could that be "Return/Enter in composer will now insert a new paragraph
>>>> by default (shift-Enter will insert a line break)" ?
>>>>
>>>> Thunderbird Beta Notes
>>>> <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/45.0beta/releasenotes/>
>>>>
>>>> I did not see that behavior here.
>>>
>>> Some replies to the bug report note it was intended behavior.
>>>
>> I went and read your bug and some related ones. Seems the two modes of 
>> composer had different behaviors for line spacing even if the hidden pref 
>> was toggled to <p>. So now the behavior is being normalized.  Time to 
>> check it out for side effects.
>> 
>
>The premise that new way of handling the Enter reflects MS Word is
>false.  The default in the installed Word 2007 on my PC had 0 for the
>spacing both before and after a paragraph.  It took much contriving on
>my part to change this default.
>
>I hope this change applies only to HTML-formatted messages.  I only do
>plain-text messages.

For HTML I can see it making sense. For plain text, probably not so
much. In cases where people are using 1920x1080 or greater monitors,
that font can look awfully squished together and make it tough to read
so the double line spacing makes sense.

Still, if it's a permanent change, a simple toggle in the Compose
options menu would be nice. I can live with it I guess but it would be
nice to be able to change it if ultimately I don't get comfortable
with it. The court is still out for me on this one.
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Thee
2/22/2016 2:45:40 PM
On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 22:10:32 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 2/21/2016 9:52 PM, Ron K. wrote:
>> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote on 2/21/2016 7:47 PM:
>>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:55:19 -0500, WaltS48 <thalionusa@REMOVEaim.om>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 02/21/2016 05:01 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>>>> Hey devs,
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeing a new behavior (regression?) with 45.0b1 and b2. Filed this
>>>>> bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1250005
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone confirm this? Is this wanted behavior?
>>>>
>>>> Could that be "Return/Enter in composer will now insert a new paragraph
>>>> by default (shift-Enter will insert a line break)" ?
>>>>
>>>> Thunderbird Beta Notes
>>>> <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/45.0beta/releasenotes/>
>>>>
>>>> I did not see that behavior here.
>>>
>>> Some replies to the bug report note it was intended behavior.
>>>
>> I went and read your bug and some related ones. Seems the two modes of
>> composer had different behaviors for line spacing even if the hidden pref
>> was toggled to <p>. So now the behavior is being normalized.  Time to
>> check it out for side effects.
>>
>
> The premise that new way of handling the Enter reflects MS Word is
> false.  The default in the installed Word 2007 on my PC had 0 for the
> spacing both before and after a paragraph.  It took much contriving on
> my part to change this default.
>
> I hope this change applies only to HTML-formatted messages.  I only do
> plain-text messages.


For plain-text messages, I am not seeing this in 45.0b2. 'Enter' starts 
a new line without a blank line in between.


For HTML-formatted messages, this is really two separate questions.
  1.  Whether 'Enter' should create a new paragraph or a line break.
  2.  What the spacing between paragraphs should be.  This is a
      question of styles, not of what the 'Enter' key does.

In MS Word, 'Enter' creates a new paragraph [¶] not a line break [↵].
It is Shift+Enter which creates a line break [↵].

As for the spacing between paragraphs in MS Word, I get different 
results to you.
In MS Word 2013 (installed at work), the default normal style has 8 
points spacing after a paragraph.
In MS Word 2016 (installed on my Win 10 PC), the default normal style 
also has 8 points spacing after a paragraph.


-- 
Kind regards
Ralph


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Ralph
2/23/2016 8:02:02 AM
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XE3 version 11.0.4.820 Will using a database with the *Reserve Table Space* set to ‘No’ on a large database (10 GB) with lots of activity / updating would cause issues with performance with Interbase? Will using the XE3 database with the *Reserve Table Space* set to ‘No’ cause any long term issues? Gbak has the *–use_all_space* which I imagine the existence of the parameter is same as IBConsole’s ‘Use All Space’ set to true? IBConsole has the Use All Space (false is default or true). Are there any differences between a default restore using gbak compared to ibconsole? Jeff Cope ...

Test TB 45.0b1
Testing TB 45.0b1 On 03/02/16 16:01, Eckard wrote: > Testing TB 45.0b1 me too. ...

TB 45.0b2 test
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thunderbird-3.0b1pre: This message may contain a virus or there is not enough disk space. Skip this message?
I just downloaded thunderbird-3.0b1pre for Linux. Extracted it, started, but when it tries to fetch emails from the server (from any account), I get the message: "This message may contain a virus or there is not enough disk space. Skip this message?" Of course I have enough space on the machine, permissions are in order, and this message doesn't contain a virus. What's wrong? The same profile works fine with Thunderbird 2.0.0.16. -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org Tomasz Chmielewski on 9/10/2008 5:51 AM, keyboarded a reply: > I just do...

Sudden doubling of my C:\ space used
I'm running Windows 7 HP, 64-bit. My personal files are stored on F:\; my system and application files are on C:\. For the past year or more, the max size of files on the C:\ drive has been about 80GB of the drive's 700 GB capacity. Suddenly, the C:\ drive has doubled in space utilized to 160 GB. The only thing that I've done recently is to remove Norton Internet Explorer 2012 and replace it with Norton 360 v. 6. That seems to be about an even swap. I have no idea what's caused this drive's space utilization to double. Question: How can I go about trying...

Change line spacing in message reader
Is there a way to change line spacing in the message reader, similar to the the solution Nir posted for changing it in the message listing pane? -- Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Website: http://larry-gusaas.com Thunderbird Leader Larry Gusaas teletyped, On 9/3/2007 6:43 PM: > Is there a way to change line spacing in the message reader, similar > to the the solution Nir posted for changing it in the message listing > pane? > That would require a userContent.css file in the chrome folder of the profile you want to alter. P { line-height: 1.0em !i...

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