SM 2.53.2 doanload dialogs not showing speed, and save to not keeping destinations.

First, I greatly appreciate the time, work, effort and patience put into
keeping seamonkey progressing.
I hope to eventually be able to compile it for myself, but not yet.

I have no idea what is wrong with the FF designers, but wow what a mess
they have made of the UI.
Never been a fan of FF, but as long as I could make tabs go away it was
tolerable, and I am still forced to use it sometimes.
Though I vastly prefer the suite approach, I prefer to keep everything
under one roof.

I also greatly appreciate the x64 build, that rocks.
I wish it had been available back when I could still use xp-64, before I
was forced to move to Win7, which I do not consider an upgrade except in
comparison to the current malware M$ is distributing inplace of an OS.
Naturally I keep an eye on memory usage, SM still slows down when usage
exceeds 2Gb, but now it doesn't crash, even when usage touches 4Gb, and
the restart button cleans up the mess.

However, I have run into a couple of puzzling issues.

Download progress dialogs no longer show details.
Just transferred so far, and time.
It used to show speed, which I miss greatly, it is enormessly useful in
keeping track of how my conection is doing.
If in restoring them the ability to see sizes in bytes could be added,
it would be greatly appreciated.

The other oddity is that 'save image' & 'save page as' are no longer
consistently keeping the destinations I set.
Sometimes they work, others they do not, no real pattern so far.

I should note that I have NOTHING in my user profile that I can put
elsewhere, even my SM profile is placed elsewhere.
Everything on 'C:' is disposable, nothing of any value what so ever goes
there at all.


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Doors wrote:
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> Download progress dialogs no longer show details.
> Just transferred so far, and time.
> It used to show speed, which I miss greatly, it is enormessly useful in
> keeping track of how my conection is doing.

If you use the "Download Manager", that has a column for speed (you 
might need to add it by clicking the down-arrow at the right-hand end of 
the column headings).  Using the Download Manager can be selected in the 
preferences under Edit > Preferences > Browser > Downloads.  The 
"Progress Dialog" doesn't seem to show the speed though.

> If in restoring them the ability to see sizes in bytes could be added,
> it would be greatly appreciated.

As far as I can see, both the progress dialog and Download Manager show 
the total size.  Whether that can actually be shown before the download 
is complete depends on the server you're downloading from including the 
size in the response headers - some just don't, and sometimes data is 
generated on-the-fly so the server might not know in advance how big it 
will be.  Or were you specifically wanting to see the size in bytes as 
opposed to KB/MB even for larger files?  I don't think there's an option 
for that, though I may be wrong.

> The other oddity is that 'save image' & 'save page as' are no longer
> consistently keeping the destinations I set.
> Sometimes they work, others they do not, no real pattern so far.

I'm not sure offhand about saving the page or images, but certainly the 
last-used location for downloads is remembered on a per-site basis. 
That can get a bit confusing if downloads are automatically redirected 
to one of several mirrors (like SourceForge do), since the actual domain 
you're downloading from might change from one download to another, and 
the default destination will depend on which mirror you get redirected 
to for each individual download.  That may or may not be relevant to 
what you're seeing.

> I should note that I have NOTHING in my user profile that I can put
> elsewhere, even my SM profile is placed elsewhere.
> Everything on 'C:' is disposable, nothing of any value what so ever goes
> there at all.

That shouldn't be a problem as far as I'm aware.

-- 
Mark.

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mozilla
5/20/2020 6:15:09 PM
mozilla-lists.mbourne@spamgourmet.com wrote:
> Doors wrote:
> ...
>> Download progress dialogs no longer show details.
>> Just transferred so far, and time.
>> It used to show speed, which I miss greatly, it is enormessly useful in
>> keeping track of how my conection is doing.
> 
> If you use the "Download Manager", that has a column for speed (you might need 
> to add it by clicking the down-arrow at the right-hand end of the column 
> headings).  Using the Download Manager can be selected in the preferences 
> under Edit > Preferences > Browser > Downloads.  The "Progress Dialog" doesn't 
> seem to show the speed though.
> 
>> If in restoring them the ability to see sizes in bytes could be added,
>> it would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> As far as I can see, both the progress dialog and Download Manager show the 
> total size.  Whether that can actually be shown before the download is 
> complete depends on the server you're downloading from including the size in 
> the response headers - some just don't, and sometimes data is generated 
> on-the-fly so the server might not know in advance how big it will be.  Or 
> were you specifically wanting to see the size in bytes as opposed to KB/MB 
> even for larger files?  I don't think there's an option for that, though I may 
> be wrong.
> 
>> The other oddity is that 'save image' & 'save page as' are no longer
>> consistently keeping the destinations I set.
>> Sometimes they work, others they do not, no real pattern so far.
> 
> I'm not sure offhand about saving the page or images, but certainly the 
> last-used location for downloads is remembered on a per-site basis. That can 
> get a bit confusing if downloads are automatically redirected to one of 
> several mirrors (like SourceForge do), since the actual domain you're 
> downloading from might change from one download to another, and the default 
> destination will depend on which mirror you get redirected to for each 
> individual download.  That may or may not be relevant to what you're seeing.
> 
>> I should note that I have NOTHING in my user profile that I can put
>> elsewhere, even my SM profile is placed elsewhere.
>> Everything on 'C:' is disposable, nothing of any value what so ever goes
>> there at all.
> 
> That shouldn't be a problem as far as I'm aware.
> 

SeaMonkey needed to switch to jsdownloads. This api does not persist some 
values. As steted speed should show just fine in the 2.53.2 Download Manager.

Last bug I fixed for the progress dialog was

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1622830

Speed got dropped from the progress dialog. Needed to clean this up because it 
was half broken. If you need the speed setting I can see if it can be added 
back. Please file an enhancement bug the and make it depend on bug 1622830.

There are other oddities with location and time elapsed. Unfortunately most of 
this is because of the new api. I worked around some but the current 
implemetation is about as good as it gets for now. The Firefox devs just 
implemented enough in Gecko to display some, compared to the old api, crippled 
download information. Also intermingled with the bookmarks history now.

You mostly see problems with text files served from the cache or attachments. 
Have blank fields in the dialogs because some of the data is just not available.

FRG
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Frank
5/20/2020 8:23:07 PM
On Wed, 20 May 2020 22:23:07 +0200, Frank-Rainer Grahl <frgrahl@gmx.net>
wrote:

>mozilla-lists.mbourne@spamgourmet.com wrote:
>> Doors wrote:
>> ...
>>> Download progress dialogs no longer show details.
>>> Just transferred so far, and time.
>>> It used to show speed, which I miss greatly, it is enormessly useful in
>>> keeping track of how my conection is doing.
>> 
>> If you use the "Download Manager", that has a column for speed (you might need 
>> to add it by clicking the down-arrow at the right-hand end of the column 
>> headings).� Using the Download Manager can be selected in the preferences 
>> under Edit > Preferences > Browser > Downloads.� The "Progress Dialog" doesn't 
>> seem to show the speed though.

I will look at it, but the download manager is one of those things I
dislike, the per file is FAR more useful and usable for me.
I freely admit my habits are not the same as others.


>> 
>>> If in restoring them the ability to see sizes in bytes could be added,
>>> it would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> As far as I can see, both the progress dialog and Download Manager show the 
>> total size.� Whether that can actually be shown before the download is 
>> complete depends on the server you're downloading from including the size in 
>> the response headers - some just don't, and sometimes data is generated 
>> on-the-fly so the server might not know in advance how big it will be.� Or 
>> were you specifically wanting to see the size in bytes as opposed to KB/MB 
>> even for larger files?� I don't think there's an option for that, though I may 
>> be wrong.

One of my goals if I can ever get SM to compile for me will be
retrofitting that ability.
For me, it is far faster and less hassle to read/scan the file size in
bytes.

>> 
>>> The other oddity is that 'save image' & 'save page as' are no longer
>>> consistently keeping the destinations I set.
>>> Sometimes they work, others they do not, no real pattern so far.
>> 
>> I'm not sure offhand about saving the page or images, but certainly the 
>> last-used location for downloads is remembered on a per-site basis. That can 
>> get a bit confusing if downloads are automatically redirected to one of 
>> several mirrors (like SourceForge do), since the actual domain you're 
>> downloading from might change from one download to another, and the default 
>> destination will depend on which mirror you get redirected to for each 
>> individual download.� That may or may not be relevant to what you're seeing.
>> 

I will be patient and see if the behavior improves over time then.
It may as I grab snapshots of pages for when I am offline, a not
infrequent occurence.

>>> I should note that I have NOTHING in my user profile that I can put
>>> elsewhere, even my SM profile is placed elsewhere.
>>> Everything on 'C:' is disposable, nothing of any value what so ever goes
>>> there at all.
>> 
>> That shouldn't be a problem as far as I'm aware.
>> 
>
>SeaMonkey needed to switch to jsdownloads. This api does not persist some 
>values. As steted speed should show just fine in the 2.53.2 Download Manager.

I have no idea what this is, but I will see if I can find it.
The data stripped dialog currently shown is frustrating.

>
>Last bug I fixed for the progress dialog was
>
>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1622830
>
>Speed got dropped from the progress dialog. Needed to clean this up because it 
>was half broken. If you need the speed setting I can see if it can be added 
>back. Please file an enhancement bug the and make it depend on bug 1622830.

I have no idea how to do this.
Large projects are far from what I do, as is C & C++, both of which give
me headaches.
Though I am forced to make some attempt to learn them.

>
>There are other oddities with location and time elapsed. Unfortunately most of 
>this is because of the new api. I worked around some but the current 
>implemetation is about as good as it gets for now. The Firefox devs just 
>implemented enough in Gecko to display some, compared to the old api, crippled 
>download information. Also intermingled with the bookmarks history now.
>
>You mostly see problems with text files served from the cache or attachments. 
>Have blank fields in the dialogs because some of the data is just not available.
>
>FRG

Somehow the dumbing down doesn't surprise me.
This fad of hiding details and simplifying things does nothing but make
it harder to be sure what is going on.
It is the sort of broken thinking giving us malware like W10.
We won the mainframe war, why are they {M$} reinventing the walled
garden they helped destroy.
Home computers with cloud profiles are no differnt than mainframes with
terminals, all you gain is better graphics.
When the OS behaves like spyware, it is no longer an OS.
Then again I persist in insisting that I own the computer I built, silly
me.

 
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