Setting up an out-going filter

I watch four groups on this server, so the fact that any replys I have 
to any threads in any of these groups all go into the one folder is no 
great problem ... However ....

On my UseNet server, I monitor about 75 groups, Sure, most of them have 
very little to nil action, but some newsgroups are still reasonably active.

So, what I would like to do (at the start of this new year) is to set up 
outgoing filters so, say, all the replies to Operating Systems (Win7 & 
Linux) type newsgroups automatically go into one folder, all the replies 
to T.V. show type newsgroups go into a second folder and all the rest go 
into a third folder.

Remembering that this is for my outgoing messages, is this possible?? 
Maybe by setting up filters on the Local Folders 'Sent' folder!

Anyone got any ideas?? Or, better still, are able to direct me to 
on-line instructions.

TIA!

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Daniel wrote:
> I watch four groups on this server, so the fact that any replys I have 
> to any threads in any of these groups all go into the one folder is no 
> great problem ... However ....
> 
> On my UseNet server, I monitor about 75 groups, Sure, most of them have 
> very little to nil action, but some newsgroups are still reasonably active.
> 
> So, what I would like to do (at the start of this new year) is to set up 
> outgoing filters so, say, all the replies to Operating Systems (Win7 & 
> Linux) type newsgroups automatically go into one folder, all the replies 
> to T.V. show type newsgroups go into a second folder and all the rest go 
> into a third folder.
> 
> Remembering that this is for my outgoing messages, is this possible?? 
> Maybe by setting up filters on the Local Folders 'Sent' folder!
> 
> Anyone got any ideas?? Or, better still, are able to direct me to 
> on-line instructions.

Edit > Mail & News > Account > Copies & Folders > When sending messages 
 > Sent folder on

HTH

Ray

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Ray
1/9/2020 5:47:09 AM
Ray Davison wrote on 09/01/20 16:47:
> Daniel wrote:
>> I watch four groups on this server, so the fact that any replys I have 
>> to any threads in any of these groups all go into the one folder is no 
>> great problem ... However ....
>>
>> On my UseNet server, I monitor about 75 groups, Sure, most of them 
>> have very little to nil action, but some newsgroups are still 
>> reasonably active.
>>
>> So, what I would like to do (at the start of this new year) is to set 
>> up outgoing filters so, say, all the replies to Operating Systems 
>> (Win7 & Linux) type newsgroups automatically go into one folder, all 
>> the replies to T.V. show type newsgroups go into a second folder and 
>> all the rest go into a third folder.
>>
>> Remembering that this is for my outgoing messages, is this possible?? 
>> Maybe by setting up filters on the Local Folders 'Sent' folder!
>>
>> Anyone got any ideas?? Or, better still, are able to direct me to 
>> on-line instructions.
> 
> Edit > Mail & News > Account > Copies & Folders > When sending messages 
>  > Sent folder on
> 
> HTH
> 
> Ray
> 
Thanks, Ray, that's what I do at the moment, but what I want to do it 
have the messages sent to some groups on my UseNet account go into one 
folder/sub-folder and messages sent to other groups *on the same server* 
going into different folders/sub-folders!!

(As a side note: here I am replying to Ray's response to my post when I 
cannot even 'see' my OP!!)

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Daniel
1/9/2020 8:41:09 AM
Daniel:
>Ray Davison wrote on 09/01/20 16:47:

>> Edit > Mail & News > Account > Copies & Folders > When sending messages 
>>  > Sent folder on
>> 
>Thanks, Ray, that's what I do at the moment, but what I want to do it 
>have the messages sent to some groups on my UseNet account go into one 
>folder/sub-folder and messages sent to other groups *on the same server* 
>going into different folders/sub-folders!!

Looking for a pref I created a sub folder abrakadabra in my mail
account, set Copies for news.mozilla.org to this abrakadabra and looked
in about:config for that name.

Here is the result:

Preference Name
   mail.identity.id3.fcc_folder
Value
   mailbox://hafi@localhost/abrakadabra

So there exists indeed a pref. id3 obviously belongs to news.mozilla.org
on my machine. What you need is a standard value for the server and
different values for some newsgroups.

Sounds like a MailNewsEnhancement. That one could be spelled as mnenh.
Append an y and you have mnenhy. *g*

Mnenhy can indeed set prefs for individual folders. Here is an example
from the profile of my last working SM-Trunk:

http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/mn200109.png

There are caveats. Mnenhy is not maintained for a long time so I had to
modify it. If you are interested I can give you the URL. But it is a
private modification which works for me and some others.

It may be that you have questions. If so, ask.

>(As a side note: here I am replying to Ray's response to my post when I 
>cannot even 'see' my OP!!)

Huh? Why can't you see your OP?

Hartmut
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Hartmut
1/9/2020 10:03:35 AM
Hartmut Figge:

>There are caveats. Mnenhy is not maintained for a long time so I had to
>modify it. If you are interested I can give you the URL. But it is a
>private modification which works for me and some others.

I haven't used setting prefs for a long time. Now I tried on my
SM-2.53.2. Doesn't work. So forget about Mnenhy.

Should I look into the problem? Hm. I suspect there will be serious
problems with SM-2.57. Better wait for that.

Hartmut
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Hartmut
1/9/2020 10:18:02 AM
Hartmut Figge:

>Should I look into the problem? Hm. I suspect there will be serious
>problems with SM-2.57. Better wait for that.

I'm a bit curious so I tested an old SM-2.53. That resides in the folder
1905052243 and is therefore from last May. There the problem with the
preferences does not yet exist. Interesting.

It may be, that it will works for SM-2.49. Perhaps. *g*

Hartmut
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Hartmut
1/9/2020 10:34:43 AM
Daniel wrote:
> Ray Davison wrote on 09/01/20 16:47:
>> Daniel wrote:
>>> I watch four groups on this server, so the fact that any replys I 
>>> have to any threads in any of these groups all go into the one folder 
>>> is no great problem ... However ....
>>>
>>> On my UseNet server, I monitor about 75 groups, Sure, most of them 
>>> have very little to nil action, but some newsgroups are still 
>>> reasonably active.
>>>
>>> So, what I would like to do (at the start of this new year) is to set 
>>> up outgoing filters so, say, all the replies to Operating Systems 
>>> (Win7 & Linux) type newsgroups automatically go into one folder, all 
>>> the replies to T.V. show type newsgroups go into a second folder and 
>>> all the rest go into a third folder.
>>>
>>> Remembering that this is for my outgoing messages, is this possible?? 
>>> Maybe by setting up filters on the Local Folders 'Sent' folder!
>>>
>>> Anyone got any ideas?? Or, better still, are able to direct me to 
>>> on-line instructions.
>>
>> Edit > Mail & News > Account > Copies & Folders > When sending 
>> messages  > Sent folder on
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Ray
>>
> Thanks, Ray, that's what I do at the moment, but what I want to do it 
> have the messages sent to some groups on my UseNet account go into one 
> folder/sub-folder and messages sent to other groups *on the same server* 
> going into different folders/sub-folders!!
> 
> (As a side note: here I am replying to Ray's response to my post when I 
> cannot even 'see' my OP!!)
> 
If "OP" is original post, it is still here.  I did not trim any of it.

I have not been anywhere near UseNet in a very long time.  If you are 
sending from within SM, you can send from one account and create a copy 
in a different account.  But everything sent from that account is saved 
in whatever account you select.

As for where to save sent messages, if you don't want them in an 
existing account, you can create three dummy accounts used to just store 
sent mail.  But you will need a separate send account for each save account.

I don't know what your current incoming mail looks like, but you can do 
a lot with incoming filters and multiple email addresses.

Later.  I'm off to Quartzsite, AZ for a few days.

Ray




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Ray
1/9/2020 5:04:22 PM
Hartmut Figge wrote on 09/01/20 21:03:
> Daniel:
>> Ray Davison wrote on 09/01/20 16:47:
> 
>>> Edit > Mail & News > Account > Copies & Folders > When sending messages
>>>   > Sent folder on
>>>
>> Thanks, Ray, that's what I do at the moment, but what I want to do it
>> have the messages sent to some groups on my UseNet account go into one
>> folder/sub-folder and messages sent to other groups *on the same server*
>> going into different folders/sub-folders!!
> 
> Looking for a pref I created a sub folder abrakadabra in my mail
> account, set Copies for news.mozilla.org to this abrakadabra and looked
> in about:config for that name.
> 
> Here is the result:
> 
> Preference Name
>     mail.identity.id3.fcc_folder
> Value
>     mailbox://hafi@localhost/abrakadabra
> 
> So there exists indeed a pref. id3 obviously belongs to news.mozilla.org
> on my machine. What you need is a standard value for the server and
> different values for some newsgroups.

I'm guessing your mail account would be id1, your local folders would be 
id2 and your mozilla account is id3.

> Sounds like a MailNewsEnhancement. That one could be spelled as mnenh.
> Append an y and you have mnenhy. *g*

Yeap, I recall Mnenhy being mentioned here-abouts a long time ago.

> Mnenhy can indeed set prefs for individual folders. Here is an example
> from the profile of my last working SM-Trunk:
> 
> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/mn200109.png
> 
> There are caveats. Mnenhy is not maintained for a long time so I had to
> modify it. If you are interested I can give you the URL. But it is a
> private modification which works for me and some others.
> 
> It may be that you have questions. If so, ask.
> 
>> (As a side note: here I am replying to Ray's response to my post when I
>> cannot even 'see' my OP!!)
> 
> Huh? Why can't you see your OP?

I haven't a clue!! I don't think I've killfiled myself! ;-) Well, no, of 
course not, 'cause I can see my response to Ray!!

Maybe one of the SM devs could suggest something?? ;-P

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Daniel
1/9/2020 11:53:08 PM
On 1/9/20 6:53 PM, Daniel wrote:
> Hartmut Figge wrote on 09/01/20 21:03:
>> Daniel:
>>> Ray Davison wrote on 09/01/20 16:47:
>>
>>>> Edit > Mail & News > Account > Copies & Folders > When sending messa=
ges
>>>> =C2=A0 > Sent folder on
>>>>
>>> Thanks, Ray, that's what I do at the moment, but what I want to do it=

>>> have the messages sent to some groups on my UseNet account go into on=
e
>>> folder/sub-folder and messages sent to other groups *on the same serv=
er*
>>> going into different folders/sub-folders!!
>>
>> Looking for a pref I created a sub folder abrakadabra in my mail
>> account, set Copies for news.mozilla.org to this abrakadabra and looke=
d
>> in about:config for that name.
>>
>> Here is the result:
>>
>> Preference Name
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mail.identity.id3.fcc_folder
>> Value
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mailbox://hafi@localhost/abrakadabra
>>
>> So there exists indeed a pref. id3 obviously belongs to news.mozilla.o=
rg
>> on my machine. What you need is a standard value for the server and
>> different values for some newsgroups.
>=20
> I'm guessing your mail account would be id1, your local folders would b=
e=20
> id2 and your mozilla account is id3.
>=20
>> Sounds like a MailNewsEnhancement. That one could be spelled as mnenh.=

>> Append an y and you have mnenhy. *g*
>=20
> Yeap, I recall Mnenhy being mentioned here-abouts a long time ago.
>=20
>> Mnenhy can indeed set prefs for individual folders. Here is an example=

>> from the profile of my last working SM-Trunk:
>>
>> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/mn200109.png
>>
>> There are caveats. Mnenhy is not maintained for a long time so I had t=
o
>> modify it. If you are interested I can give you the URL. But it is a
>> private modification which works for me and some others.
>>
>> It may be that you have questions. If so, ask.
>>
>>> (As a side note: here I am replying to Ray's response to my post when=
 I
>>> cannot even 'see' my OP!!)
>>
>> Huh? Why can't you see your OP?
>=20
> I haven't a clue!! I don't think I've killfiled myself! ;-) Well, no, o=
f=20
> course not, 'cause I can see my response to Ray!!
>=20
> Maybe one of the SM devs could suggest something?? ;-P
>=20

Repair the folder?

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WaltS48
1/10/2020 12:11:31 AM
WaltS48 wrote on 10/01/20 11:11:
> On 1/9/20 6:53 PM, Daniel wrote:
>> Hartmut Figge wrote on 09/01/20 21:03:
>>> Daniel:
>>>> Ray Davison wrote on 09/01/20 16:47:
>>>
>>>>> Edit > Mail & News > Account > Copies & Folders > When sending 
>>>>> messages
>>>>>   > Sent folder on
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Ray, that's what I do at the moment, but what I want to do it
>>>> have the messages sent to some groups on my UseNet account go into one
>>>> folder/sub-folder and messages sent to other groups *on the same 
>>>> server*
>>>> going into different folders/sub-folders!!
>>>
>>> Looking for a pref I created a sub folder abrakadabra in my mail
>>> account, set Copies for news.mozilla.org to this abrakadabra and looked
>>> in about:config for that name.
>>>
>>> Here is the result:
>>>
>>> Preference Name
>>>     mail.identity.id3.fcc_folder
>>> Value
>>>     mailbox://hafi@localhost/abrakadabra
>>>
>>> So there exists indeed a pref. id3 obviously belongs to news.mozilla.org
>>> on my machine. What you need is a standard value for the server and
>>> different values for some newsgroups.
>>
>> I'm guessing your mail account would be id1, your local folders would 
>> be id2 and your mozilla account is id3.
>>
>>> Sounds like a MailNewsEnhancement. That one could be spelled as mnenh.
>>> Append an y and you have mnenhy. *g*
>>
>> Yeap, I recall Mnenhy being mentioned here-abouts a long time ago.
>>
>>> Mnenhy can indeed set prefs for individual folders. Here is an example
>>> from the profile of my last working SM-Trunk:
>>>
>>> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/mn200109.png
>>>
>>> There are caveats. Mnenhy is not maintained for a long time so I had to
>>> modify it. If you are interested I can give you the URL. But it is a
>>> private modification which works for me and some others.
>>>
>>> It may be that you have questions. If so, ask.
>>>
>>>> (As a side note: here I am replying to Ray's response to my post when I
>>>> cannot even 'see' my OP!!)
>>>
>>> Huh? Why can't you see your OP?
>>
>> I haven't a clue!! I don't think I've killfiled myself! ;-) Well, no, 
>> of course not, 'cause I can see my response to Ray!!
>>
>> Maybe one of the SM devs could suggest something?? ;-P
> 
> Repair the folder?
> 
So are you suggesting, Walt, that my Profile is broken in such a way 
that I cannot see posts by me when they would have been original posts??

My OP's i n UseNet are O.K.!! Hang on!! I'll do an OP in moz.test and 
see how I go!!


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1/10/2020 4:54:14 AM
Daniel wrote on 10/01/20 15:54:
> WaltS48 wrote on 10/01/20 11:11:
>> On 1/9/20 6:53 PM, Daniel wrote:
>>> Hartmut Figge wrote on 09/01/20 21:03:
>>>> Daniel:
>>>>> Ray Davison wrote on 09/01/20 16:47:
>>>>
>>>>>> Edit > Mail & News > Account > Copies & Folders > When sending 
>>>>>> messages
>>>>>>   > Sent folder on
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Ray, that's what I do at the moment, but what I want to do it
>>>>> have the messages sent to some groups on my UseNet account go into one
>>>>> folder/sub-folder and messages sent to other groups *on the same 
>>>>> server*
>>>>> going into different folders/sub-folders!!
>>>>
>>>> Looking for a pref I created a sub folder abrakadabra in my mail
>>>> account, set Copies for news.mozilla.org to this abrakadabra and looked
>>>> in about:config for that name.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the result:
>>>>
>>>> Preference Name
>>>>     mail.identity.id3.fcc_folder
>>>> Value
>>>>     mailbox://hafi@localhost/abrakadabra
>>>>
>>>> So there exists indeed a pref. id3 obviously belongs to 
>>>> news.mozilla.org
>>>> on my machine. What you need is a standard value for the server and
>>>> different values for some newsgroups.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing your mail account would be id1, your local folders would 
>>> be id2 and your mozilla account is id3.
>>>
>>>> Sounds like a MailNewsEnhancement. That one could be spelled as mnenh.
>>>> Append an y and you have mnenhy. *g*
>>>
>>> Yeap, I recall Mnenhy being mentioned here-abouts a long time ago.
>>>
>>>> Mnenhy can indeed set prefs for individual folders. Here is an example
>>>> from the profile of my last working SM-Trunk:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/mn200109.png
>>>>
>>>> There are caveats. Mnenhy is not maintained for a long time so I had to
>>>> modify it. If you are interested I can give you the URL. But it is a
>>>> private modification which works for me and some others.
>>>>
>>>> It may be that you have questions. If so, ask.
>>>>
>>>>> (As a side note: here I am replying to Ray's response to my post 
>>>>> when I
>>>>> cannot even 'see' my OP!!)
>>>>
>>>> Huh? Why can't you see your OP?
>>>
>>> I haven't a clue!! I don't think I've killfiled myself! ;-) Well, no, 
>>> of course not, 'cause I can see my response to Ray!!
>>>
>>> Maybe one of the SM devs could suggest something?? ;-P
>>
>> Repair the folder?
>>
> So are you suggesting, Walt, that my Profile is broken in such a way 
> that I cannot see posts by me when they would have been original posts??
> 
> My OP's i n UseNet are O.K.!! Hang on!! I'll do an OP in moz.test and 
> see how I go!!
> 
> 
Posting to moz.test is fine and I can reply here!! I don't know!! But as 
long as you guys can see any OP's I may make from time to time, I guess 
that's all that matters! ;-)

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1/10/2020 4:57:22 AM
Daniel:

>Posting to moz.test is fine and I can reply here!! I don't know!! 

Well, I know of postings which cannot be read. Fine in the thread pane,
but an empty body. If that describes your problem, here is what I do in
such cases. In such very rare cases.

Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Cache. Then 'Clear Cache'. Works for me
and others with the same problem. Perhaps also for you.

Can you now read your OP in mozilla.support.seamonkey? :)

Hartmut
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Hartmut
1/10/2020 5:35:37 AM
Hartmut Figge wrote on 10/01/2020 4:35 PM:
> Daniel:
> 
>> Posting to moz.test is fine and I can reply here!! I don't know!!
> 
> Well, I know of postings which cannot be read. Fine in the thread pane,
> but an empty body. If that describes your problem, here is what I do in
> such cases. In such very rare cases.
> 
> Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Cache. Then 'Clear Cache'. Works for me
> and others with the same problem. Perhaps also for you.

O.K., just to be sure, I cleared cache. No change yet .... but we'll see 
when I open up again!

> Can you now read your OP in mozilla.support.seamonkey? :)
> 
> Hartmut
> 
No, Hartmut, that's the problem! I know I made the OP, because Ray 
quoted it in his reply .... but Ray's reply is the first thing I see in 
this thread!

Hmm! Does it mean anything that, in my reply to Ray, there is a line ...

In-Reply-To: 
<mailman.432.1578548835.1612.support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org>

and in your reply to my reply to Ray there is a similar line ....

In-Reply-To: <reudnWkDtP-1eovDnZ2dnUU7-cPNnZ2d@mozilla.org>

But in Ray's reply to my (imaginary) OP there is no similar line??

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1/10/2020 8:05:24 AM
Daniel:

>No, Hartmut, that's the problem! I know I made the OP, because Ray 
>quoted it in his reply .... but Ray's reply is the first thing I see in 
>this thread!

Then you have a different problem than the one I described. In that case
the tread pane would be OK. You could see the OP in the thread pane but
could not see the body.

>Hmm! Does it mean anything that, in my reply to Ray, there is a line ...
>
>In-Reply-To: 
><mailman.432.1578548835.1612.support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org>
>
>and in your reply to my reply to Ray there is a similar line ....
>
>In-Reply-To: <reudnWkDtP-1eovDnZ2dnUU7-cPNnZ2d@mozilla.org>
>
>But in Ray's reply to my (imaginary) OP there is no similar line??

You posted with
Message-ID: <bJqdnecLapjxAYvDnZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@mozilla.org>

Ray answered with
Message-ID:
<mailman.432.1578548835.1612.support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org>
and
References: <bJqdnecLapjxAYvDnZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@mozilla.org>
 <3602163d-679e-6900-bb0c-13f6bab27d6a@charter.net>

So there is an oddity. One of the references is your MID. The second
one? I suspect this comes from the mailing list which is connected with
this news group.

Nevertheless, that would not explain the problem. The way Walt suggested
can sometimes solve similar problems. Sometimes, perhaps most, but not
always. Unsubscribing and resubscribing the NG may also be enough. But
that too may not suffice.

Well, there was a time when 'Repair Folder' didn't exist and you had to
use a Holzhammer to be sure. Sorry for the word, probably there exists
an English equivalent. *g* It means: use force.

Close SM. Go to your profile, then in the folder News. There you will
find the file newsrc-news.mozilla.org. In this file there is a line
regarding this NG. In my case it is

mozilla.support.seamonkey: 1-113754

Edit this line. Delete all from (inclusive) the first number until the
end of the line. That would leave you with mozilla.support.seamonkey: .

Then go to the sub-folder news.mozilla.org and delete the file
mozilla.support.seamonkey.msf.

I haven't used this approach for a very long time. Should still work.

Hartmut
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Hartmut
1/10/2020 9:08:21 AM
Hartmut Figge wrote on 10/01/20 20:08:
> Daniel:
> 
>> No, Hartmut, that's the problem! I know I made the OP, because Ray
>> quoted it in his reply .... but Ray's reply is the first thing I see in
>> this thread!
> 
> Then you have a different problem than the one I described. In that case
> the tread pane would be OK. You could see the OP in the thread pane but
> could not see the body.
> 
>> Hmm! Does it mean anything that, in my reply to Ray, there is a line ...
>>
>> In-Reply-To:
>> <mailman.432.1578548835.1612.support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org>
>>
>> and in your reply to my reply to Ray there is a similar line ....
>>
>> In-Reply-To: <reudnWkDtP-1eovDnZ2dnUU7-cPNnZ2d@mozilla.org>
>>
>> But in Ray's reply to my (imaginary) OP there is no similar line??
> 
> You posted with
> Message-ID: <bJqdnecLapjxAYvDnZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@mozilla.org>
> 
> Ray answered with
> Message-ID:
> <mailman.432.1578548835.1612.support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org>
> and
> References: <bJqdnecLapjxAYvDnZ2dnUU7-TvNnZ2d@mozilla.org>
>   <3602163d-679e-6900-bb0c-13f6bab27d6a@charter.net>
> 
> So there is an oddity. One of the references is your MID. The second
> one? I suspect this comes from the mailing list which is connected with
> this news group.
> 
> Nevertheless, that would not explain the problem. The way Walt suggested
> can sometimes solve similar problems. Sometimes, perhaps most, but not
> always. Unsubscribing and resubscribing the NG may also be enough. But
> that too may not suffice.
> 
> Well, there was a time when 'Repair Folder' didn't exist and you had to
> use a Holzhammer to be sure. Sorry for the word, probably there exists
> an English equivalent. *g* It means: use force.

I don't know what 'Holzhammer' means ... but I see the word 'hammer' so 
I guess that's something like giving it a big hit!!

Hey, Google Translate translates "Holzhammer" to "mallet", so close 
enough!! ;-P

> Close SM. Go to your profile, then in the folder News. There you will
> find the file newsrc-news.mozilla.org. In this file there is a line
> regarding this NG. In my case it is
> 
> mozilla.support.seamonkey: 1-113754
> 
> Edit this line. Delete all from (inclusive) the first number until the
> end of the line. That would leave you with mozilla.support.seamonkey: .
> 
> Then go to the sub-folder news.mozilla.org and delete the file
> mozilla.support.seamonkey.msf.
> 
> I haven't used this approach for a very long time. Should still work.
> 
> Hartmut
> 
O.K., so you're now talking re-setting the rc file so that it seems as 
though I've just subscribed to this NG.

If I were really worried, yes, I could do that, but ... hey, you guys 
can see my OP, so, IMHO, not worth the worry/trouble!!

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Daniel:

>O.K., so you're now talking re-setting the rc file so that it seems as 
>though I've just subscribed to this NG.

That could also be achieved by unsubscribing the NG followed by
resubscribing. But that would not delete the corresponding .msf which is
an important part.

>If I were really worried, yes, I could do that, but ... hey, you guys 
>can see my OP, so, IMHO, not worth the worry/trouble!!

I can surely understand that. :)

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1/11/2020 1:16:15 AM
Daniel wrote:

> If I were really worried, yes, I could do that, but ... hey, you guys 
> can see my OP, so, IMHO, not worth the worry/trouble!!
> 
Do you have View > Sort by > Date, Threaded and Descending?

If you do, then SM mail looks like an ongoing conversation.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9JfpgptGSAn3ED4M9

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1/13/2020 12:50:45 AM
Daniel wrote:

>>> On my UseNet server, I monitor about 75 groups, Sure, most of them 
>>> have very little to nil action, but some newsgroups are still 
>>> reasonably active.
>>>
>>> So, what I would like to do (at the start of this new year) is to set 
>>> up outgoing filters so, say, all the replies to Operating Systems 
>>> (Win7 & Linux) type newsgroups automatically go into one folder, all 
>>> the replies to T.V. show type newsgroups go into a second folder and 
>>> all the rest go into a third folder.

What is your current setup in SM mail regarding UseNet?

Do you have 75 newsgroups set up in SM mail?

Ray
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1/13/2020 1:12:26 AM
Daniel wrote:
> Ray Davison wrote on 13/01/2020 11:50 AM:
>> Daniel wrote:
>>
>>> If I were really worried, yes, I could do that, but ... hey, you guys 
>>> can see my OP, so, IMHO, not worth the worry/trouble!!
>>>
>> Do you have View > Sort by > Date, Threaded and Descending?
> 
> Order Received, Threaded, Ascending
>>
>> If you do, then SM mail looks like an ongoing conversation.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9JfpgptGSAn3ED4M9
>>
>> Ray
> 
> Which has worked for me for sooooo long!! Oh!! Well!!
> 
Did you look at the pic I linked?

Descending puts the current thread at the top of the window where it is 
visible when the folder opens.

Try it my way and see if your posts are in the tree.

Ray

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1/13/2020 5:04:20 PM
Daniel wrote:
>>
>> What is your current setup in SM mail regarding UseNet?
>>
>> Do you have 75 newsgroups set up in SM mail?
>>
>> Ray
> 
> Yeap, something like that, in a separate (UseNet) account, using 
> Eternal-September.org server.
> 
> All outgoing messages to the E-S server go into a Folder under Local 
> Directories.

I thought UseNet was an cloud forum.  Are you reading and replying to 
messages from within SM?

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1/13/2020 5:08:16 PM
Ray Davison wrote on 13/01/2020 11:50 AM:
> Daniel wrote:
> 
>> If I were really worried, yes, I could do that, but ... hey, you guys 
>> can see my OP, so, IMHO, not worth the worry/trouble!!
>>
> Do you have View > Sort by > Date, Threaded and Descending?

Order Received, Threaded, Ascending
> 
> If you do, then SM mail looks like an ongoing conversation.
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9JfpgptGSAn3ED4M9
> 
> Ray

Which has worked for me for sooooo long!! Oh!! Well!!

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1/14/2020 8:09:55 AM
Ray Davison wrote on 13/01/2020 12:12 PM:
> Daniel wrote:
> 
>>>> On my UseNet server, I monitor about 75 groups, Sure, most of them 
>>>> have very little to nil action, but some newsgroups are still 
>>>> reasonably active.
>>>>
>>>> So, what I would like to do (at the start of this new year) is to 
>>>> set up outgoing filters so, say, all the replies to Operating 
>>>> Systems (Win7 & Linux) type newsgroups automatically go into one 
>>>> folder, all the replies to T.V. show type newsgroups go into a 
>>>> second folder and all the rest go into a third folder.
> 
> What is your current setup in SM mail regarding UseNet?
> 
> Do you have 75 newsgroups set up in SM mail?
> 
> Ray

Yeap, something like that, in a separate (UseNet) account, using 
Eternal-September.org server.

All outgoing messages to the E-S server go into a Folder under Local 
Directories.
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1/14/2020 8:13:24 AM
Ray Davison wrote on 14/01/2020 4:04 AM:
> Daniel wrote:
>> Ray Davison wrote on 13/01/2020 11:50 AM:
>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I were really worried, yes, I could do that, but ... hey, you 
>>>> guys can see my OP, so, IMHO, not worth the worry/trouble!!
>>>>
>>> Do you have View > Sort by > Date, Threaded and Descending?
>>
>> Order Received, Threaded, Ascending
>>>
>>> If you do, then SM mail looks like an ongoing conversation.
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9JfpgptGSAn3ED4M9
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>> Which has worked for me for sooooo long!! Oh!! Well!!
>>
> Did you look at the pic I linked?
> 
> Descending puts the current thread at the top of the window where it is 
> visible when the folder opens.
> 
> Try it my way and see if your posts are in the tree.
> 
> Ray
> 
Sprung!! No, I hadn't, Ray, but now I have and that look like how my 
Threads Pane might have looked .... except my Threads Pane does not show 
MY OP. My Threads Pane starts with YOUR message Dated 1/8/2020 9:47 PM 
(adjusted for different Time Zone to be 9/01/2020 4:47 PM in my SM, i.e. 
19 hrs difference. So, I'm Guessing you're Western U.S.)

No, changing to Descending, as you suggest, puts the oldest active 
*THREAD* at the bottom of the Pane, but the order in which the posts 
with-in a Thread didn't actually change (and MY OP is still not showing 
;-P )

However, I've left it as "Descending" so will see if things change when 
I log back in in about six hours!

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1/15/2020 6:20:19 AM
Ray Davison wrote on 14/01/2020 4:08 AM:
> Daniel wrote:
>>>
>>> What is your current setup in SM mail regarding UseNet?
>>>
>>> Do you have 75 newsgroups set up in SM mail?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>> Yeap, something like that, in a separate (UseNet) account, using 
>> Eternal-September.org server.
>>
>> All outgoing messages to the E-S server go into a Folder under Local 
>> Directories.
> 
> I thought UseNet was an cloud forum.  Are you reading and replying to 
> messages from within SM?
> 
> Ray

Yes, from with-in SM Mail & *NEWS* screen via a News account (similar to 
a mail account, but different) to connect to an account I have on 
Eternal-September.com Server.

If I could be bothered, I could set up an news account with 
Goggle-Groups to read UseNet posts ... but who could be bothered!! ;-)

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1/15/2020 6:47:37 AM
Daniel wrote on 15/01/2020 5:20 PM:
> Ray Davison wrote on 14/01/2020 4:04 AM:
>> Daniel wrote:
>>> Ray Davison wrote on 13/01/2020 11:50 AM:
>>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I were really worried, yes, I could do that, but ... hey, you 
>>>>> guys can see my OP, so, IMHO, not worth the worry/trouble!!
>>>>>
>>>> Do you have View > Sort by > Date, Threaded and Descending?
>>>
>>> Order Received, Threaded, Ascending
>>>>
>>>> If you do, then SM mail looks like an ongoing conversation.
>>>>
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9JfpgptGSAn3ED4M9
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>
>>> Which has worked for me for sooooo long!! Oh!! Well!!
>>>
>> Did you look at the pic I linked?
>>
>> Descending puts the current thread at the top of the window where it 
>> is visible when the folder opens.
>>
>> Try it my way and see if your posts are in the tree.
>>
>> Ray
>>
> Sprung!! No, I hadn't, Ray, but now I have and that look like how my 
> Threads Pane might have looked .... except my Threads Pane does not show 
> MY OP. My Threads Pane starts with YOUR message Dated 1/8/2020 9:47 PM 
> (adjusted for different Time Zone to be 9/01/2020 4:47 PM in my SM, i.e. 
> 19 hrs difference. So, I'm Guessing you're Western U.S.)
> 
> No, changing to Descending, as you suggest, puts the oldest active 
> *THREAD* at the bottom of the Pane, but the order in which the posts 
> with-in a Thread didn't actually change (and MY OP is still not showing 
> ;-P )
> 
> However, I've left it as "Descending" so will see if things change when 
> I log back in in about six hours!
> 
No change, My OP still not showing!

Back to "Ascending".

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1/15/2020 12:02:59 PM
Daniel wrote:
>>>
>>> All outgoing messages to the E-S server go into a Folder under Local 
>>> Directories.
>>
>> I thought UseNet was an cloud forum.  Are you reading and replying to 
>> messages from within SM?
>>
>> Ray
> 
> Yes, from with-in SM Mail & *NEWS* screen via a News account (similar to 
> a mail account, but different) to connect to an account I have on 
> Eternal-September.com Server.
> 
> If I could be bothered, I could set up an news account with 
> Goggle-Groups to read UseNet posts ... but who could be bothered!! ;-)
>
Mechanically, I have been doing what you want to do since Netscape.

I currently have six email accounts with each having it's own incoming 
email address, and six news accounts which all use one of the six email 
account addresses, but could each have a different incoming email 
address.  And each of those top accounts have sub accounts and often 
sub-sub accounts.  And to file incoming mail within those top accounts I 
have over one hundred filters.

I don't try to filter out junk, that is a never ending reaction process. 
  I filter out what I want to keep and the result is that my inbox is 
mostly junk and easy to process.

I have never used "Local Folders" for anything.

Within SM I don't make any functional distinction between email and 
news.  The look and feel is the same for both.

If you have 75 news folders, and want to selectively put a copy of all 
outgoing mail and news in three sent folders, all you need to do is have 
three email addresses.

One email address for Operating Systems (Win7 & Linux)
One for T.V. show
And a third for the rest

So the 75 accounts come in to three top accounts, and the 75 are divided 
to one of your three email address based top accounts.  And sent 
messages go to a folder based on the same incoming email address.

Your SM will then have the same format as mine, except you will have 
three top accounts where I have six.

If you don't already have three email addresses, it will require getting 
two more.  And you will need to assign the portion of the 75 news 
accounts that you want to go to the other two accounts.  That is, update 
the accounts at their source to the new email address.

It is just some busy work.

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1/17/2020 1:04:25 AM
Ray Davison wrote on 17/01/2020 12:04 PM:
> Daniel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All outgoing messages to the E-S server go into a Folder under Local 
>>>> Directories.
>>>
>>> I thought UseNet was an cloud forum.  Are you reading and replying to 
>>> messages from within SM?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>> Yes, from with-in SM Mail & *NEWS* screen via a News account (similar 
>> to a mail account, but different) to connect to an account I have on 
>> Eternal-September.com Server.
>>
>> If I could be bothered, I could set up an news account with 
>> Goggle-Groups to read UseNet posts ... but who could be bothered!! ;-)
>>
> Mechanically, I have been doing what you want to do since Netscape.
> 
> I currently have six email accounts with each having it's own incoming 
> email address, and six news accounts which all use one of the six email 
> account addresses, but could each have a different incoming email 
> address.  And each of those top accounts have sub accounts and often 
> sub-sub accounts.  And to file incoming mail within those top accounts I 
> have over one hundred filters.
> 
> I don't try to filter out junk, that is a never ending reaction process. 
>   I filter out what I want to keep and the result is that my inbox is 
> mostly junk and easy to process.
> 
> I have never used "Local Folders" for anything.
> 
> Within SM I don't make any functional distinction between email and 
> news.  The look and feel is the same for both.
> 
> If you have 75 news folders, and want to selectively put a copy of all 
> outgoing mail and news in three sent folders, all you need to do is have 
> three email addresses.
> 
> One email address for Operating Systems (Win7 & Linux)
> One for T.V. show
> And a third for the rest
> 
> So the 75 accounts come in to three top accounts, and the 75 are divided 
> to one of your three email address based top accounts.  And sent 
> messages go to a folder based on the same incoming email address.
> 
> Your SM will then have the same format as mine, except you will have 
> three top accounts where I have six.
> 
> If you don't already have three email addresses, it will require getting 
> two more.  And you will need to assign the portion of the 75 news 
> accounts that you want to go to the other two accounts.  That is, update 
> the accounts at their source to the new email address.
> 
> It is just some busy work.
> 
> Ray
> 
Yeap, I could do all of that ... but I was hoping to just use the one 
incoming account but, then, be able to, selectively, send my outgoing to 
separate folders! i.e. K.I.S.S.!!

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