SeaMonkey v2.17.1's crash reports and their corrupted dumps...

Hello again!

Is anyone else having problems with corrupted random rare crash dumps 
from SeaMonkey (SM) v2.17.1 in a very old updated 32-bit Windows XP Pro. 
SP3 machine (2.5 GB of RAM)? After my SM crashed, sent its crash reports 
to Mozilla, restarted, and I did a about:crashes line to read the crash 
reports. I see a lot of these lately:

"SeaMonkey 2.17.1 Crash Report [@ EMPTY: no crashing thread identified; 
corrupt dump ]
....
"EMPTY: no crashing thread identified; corrupt dump ..."

For an example of my latest crash report from a few minutes ago: 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-b5b35741-6423-4c74-a562-a30932130607

Is it because it can't be determined when SM is hogging about almost 2 
GB of RAM + 1.6 GB of VM (heavy user with over/about 150 tabs from two 
windows)? I remember it used to be able to know what was causing the 
crashes, but lately not anymore. All of my other softwares and OS do not 
crash. Just SM. :(

Thank you in advance. :)
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Ant wrote:

> Is anyone else having problems with corrupted random rare crash dumps 
> from SeaMonkey (SM) v2.17.1 in a very old updated 32-bit Windows XP Pro. 
> SP3 machine (2.5 GB of RAM)? After my SM crashed, sent its crash reports 
> to Mozilla, restarted, and I did a about:crashes line to read the crash 
> reports. I see a lot of these lately:
> 
> "SeaMonkey 2.17.1 Crash Report [@ EMPTY: no crashing thread identified; 
> corrupt dump ]
> ...
> "EMPTY: no crashing thread identified; corrupt dump ..."
> 
> For an example of my latest crash report from a few minutes ago: 
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-b5b35741-6423-4c74-a562-a30932130607

xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file
e:\builds\slave\rel-c-rel-w32-bld\build\mozilla\xpcom\string\src\nsTSubstring.cpp,
line 533)

You seem to have run out of virtual memory.
Maybe try increasing the size of the Windows page file?
How much memory is the Seamonkey process using right
before the crash?

Regards.

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Noob42
6/30/2013 10:59:42 AM
On 6/30/2013 3:59 AM PT, Noob42 typed:

>> "SeaMonkey 2.17.1 Crash Report [@ EMPTY: no crashing thread identified;
>> corrupt dump ]
>> ...
>> "EMPTY: no crashing thread identified; corrupt dump ..."
>>
>> For an example of my latest crash report from a few minutes ago:
>> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-b5b35741-6423-4c74-a562-a30932130607
>
> xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file
> e:\builds\slave\rel-c-rel-w32-bld\build\mozilla\xpcom\string\src\nsTSubstring.cpp,
> line 533)
>
> You seem to have run out of virtual memory.
> Maybe try increasing the size of the Windows page file?
> How much memory is the Seamonkey process using right
> before the crash?

I have seen my SM go high as 2 GB of "Mem Usage" and "VM Size" according 
to my 32-bit Windows XP Pro. SP3's Task Manager. My VM can go high as 8 
GB of pagefile with 2.5 GB (actually 3, but I think VRAM takes 512 MB of 
it?) of RAM.
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Ant
6/30/2013 4:46:25 PM
On 6/30/2013 3:59 AM PT, Noob42 typed:

>> "SeaMonkey 2.17.1 Crash Report [@ EMPTY: no crashing thread identified;
>> corrupt dump ]
>> ...
>> "EMPTY: no crashing thread identified; corrupt dump ..."
>>
>> For an example of my latest crash report from a few minutes ago:
>> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-b5b35741-6423-4c74-a562-a30932130607
>
> xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file
> e:\builds\slave\rel-c-rel-w32-bld\build\mozilla\xpcom\string\src\nsTSubstring.cpp,
> line 533)
>
> You seem to have run out of virtual memory.
> Maybe try increasing the size of the Windows page file?
> How much memory is the Seamonkey process using right
> before the crash?

More if interested:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/5bed9111-7414-4471-bd0a-e49912130630
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/7548346b-5676-44c8-927c-412042130630
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-96ac19ac-3d3f-4efb-95ac-04ded2130624
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-69101daa-aba2-4647-85f9-7e5332130623
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c1087f13-4a46-4318-b857-1d4d52130615
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-2c35b7bd-379d-4ebf-b14f-42e2b2130615
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-dff97f1e-399b-4503-bae0-41ff92130615
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-7804870f-2a29-40bd-b768-a1a862130612
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-b5b35741-6423-4c74-a562-a30932130607
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-ddfb31e0-6f0b-4987-9bf5-ba8c42130603
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-414d17b1-340c-4787-99a8-1a9852130602
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c8292479-ee5a-4375-af1e-3fd8e2130602
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6/30/2013 5:05:21 PM
Ant wrote:

> On 6/30/2013 3:59 AM PT, Noob42 typed:
> 
>>> "SeaMonkey 2.17.1 Crash Report [@ EMPTY: no crashing thread identified;
>>> corrupt dump ]
>>> ...
>>> "EMPTY: no crashing thread identified; corrupt dump ..."
>>>
>>> For an example of my latest crash report from a few minutes ago:
>>> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-b5b35741-6423-4c74-a562-a30932130607
>>
>> xpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: OOM: file
>> e:\builds\slave\rel-c-rel-w32-bld\build\mozilla\xpcom\string\src\nsTSubstring.cpp,
>> line 533)
>>
>> You seem to have run out of virtual memory.
>> Maybe try increasing the size of the Windows page file?
>> How much memory is the Seamonkey process using right
>> before the crash?
> 
> I have seen my SM go high as 2 GB of "Mem Usage" and "VM Size" according 
> to my 32-bit Windows XP Pro. SP3's Task Manager.

I use Mark Russinovich's Process Explorer.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx
(Some of his tools are better than the native tools.)

> My VM can go high as 8 GB of pagefile with 2.5 GB (actually 3,
> but I think VRAM takes 512 MB of it?) of RAM.

(VRAM takes virtual memory, not physical memory.)

OK, so you don't have a problem with virtual memory.

I think your problem is that Windows can't allocate more than 2 GB
to a 32-bit process, unless you mess with the kernel config:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

(I have personally never played with IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE.)

Regards.

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Noob42
6/30/2013 6:32:47 PM
On 6/30/2013 11:32 AM PT, Noob42 typed:

> I use Mark Russinovich's Process Explorer.
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx
> (Some of his tools are better than the native tools.)

http://i.imgur.com/S3U1rwD.gif for a screen shot/capture from Process 
Explorer v15.31. Also, process' Properties' Peformance tab:

Process: seamonkey.exe Pid: 3680
Base	Size	Mapping	Description	Version	Time	Name
0x3C0000	0x1D000	Image		20.0.1.4848	4/14/2013 11:37 AM	mozglue.dll
0x3F0000	0x7000	Image	PLC Library	4.9.5.0	4/14/2013 11:37 AM	plc4.dll
0x400000	0x14000	Image	SeaMonkey	20.0.1.4848	4/14/2013 11:37 AM 
seamonkey.exe
0xF30000	0x2B000	Image	NSPR Library	4.9.5.0	4/14/2013 11:37 AM	nspr4.dll
0x1020000	0x2D9000	Image			4/14/2013 11:37 AM	mozjs.dll
0x1300000	0x7000	Image	PLDS Library	4.9.5.0	4/14/2013 11:37 AM	plds4.dll
0x1310000	0x1B000	Image	NSS Utility Library	3.14.3.0	4/14/2013 11:37 AM 
nssutil3.dll
0x1330000	0xA0000	Image	NSS Base Library	3.14.3.0	4/14/2013 11:37 AM 
nss3.dll
0x13D0000	0x19000	Image	NSS S/MIME Library	3.14.3.0	4/14/2013 11:37 AM 
smime3.dll
0x13F0000	0x28000	Image	NSS SSL Library	3.14.3.0	4/14/2013 11:37 AM	ssl3.dll
0x1420000	0x28000	Image			4/14/2013 11:37 AM	nsldap32v60.dll
0x1450000	0x7000	Image			4/14/2013 11:37 AM	nsldappr32v60.dll
0x1460000	0x92000	Image	SQLite Database Library	3.7.15.2	4/14/2013 
11:37 AM	mozsqlite3.dll
0x1500000	0x6000	Image		20.0.1.4848	4/14/2013 11:37 AM	mozalloc.dll
0x1510000	0x2C2000	Image		20.0.1.4848	4/14/2013 11:37 AM	gkmedias.dll
0x17F0000	0x1446000	Image		20.0.1.4848	4/14/2013 11:37 AM	xul.dll
0x2C50000	0x7000	Image		20.0.1.4848	4/14/2013 11:37 AM	xpcom.dll
0x3E30000	0x3A000	Image		20.0.1.4848	4/14/2013 11:37 AM	suite.dll
0x3E70000	0x27000	Image	NSS PKCS #11 Library	3.14.3.0	4/14/2013 11:37 
AM	softokn3.dll
0x3EA0000	0x17000	Image	Legacy Database Driver	3.14.3.0	4/14/2013 
11:37 AM	nssdbm3.dll
0x3EC0000	0x7000	Image			4/7/2004 2:00 AM	winroll.dll
0x6200000	0x2C5000	Image	Service Pack 2 Messages	5.1.2600.5512	4/13/2008 
11:09 PM	xpsp2res.dll
0x6B00000	0x4A000	Image	NSS freebl Library	3.14.3.0	4/14/2013 11:37 AM 
freebl3.dll
0x6B50000	0x5D000	Image	NSS Builtin Trusted Root CAs	1.93.0.0	4/14/2013 
11:37 AM	nssckbi.dll
0x71D0000	0x26000	Image	Windows Spooler Driver	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 
5:42 AM	winspool.drv
0x10000000	0xB4000	Image	Outpost Hooking Module	6.51.2725.10028 
4/28/2009 11:05 AM	wl_hook.dll
0x41F60000	0x18000	Image	GrabKern DLL	1.0.0.1	5/2/2013 12:10 PM 
GrabKernel.dll
0x59A60000	0xA1000	Image	Windows Image Helper	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 
5:41 AM	dbghelp.dll
0x5AD70000	0x38000	Image	Microsoft UxTheme Library	6.0.2900.5512 
4/14/2008 5:42 AM	uxtheme.dll
0x5B860000	0x55000	Image	Net Win32 API DLL	5.1.2600.6260	7/6/2012 6:58 
AM	netapi32.dll
0x662B0000	0x58000	Image	Home Networking Configuration Manager 
5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:41 AM	hnetcfg.dll
0x66E90000	0x41000	Image	Microsoft Color Management Module (CMM) 
5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:41 AM	icm32.dll
0x68000000	0x36000	Image	Microsoft Enhanced Cryptographic Provider 
5.1.2600.5507	4/13/2008 11:07 PM	rsaenh.dll
0x693F0000	0x9000	Image	Windows NT File Encryption Client Interfaces 
5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:41 AM	feclient.dll
0x71A50000	0x3F000	Image	Microsoft Windows Sockets 2.0 Service 
Provider	5.1.2600.5625	6/20/2008 9:02 AM	mswsock.dll
0x71A90000	0x8000	Image	Windows Sockets Helper DLL	5.1.2600.5512 
4/14/2008 5:42 AM	wshtcpip.dll
0x71AA0000	0x8000	Image	Windows Socket 2.0 Helper for Windows NT 
5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:42 AM	ws2help.dll
0x71AB0000	0x17000	Image	Windows Socket 2.0 32-Bit DLL	5.1.2600.5512 
4/14/2008 5:42 AM	ws2_32.dll
0x71AD0000	0x9000	Image	Windows Socket 32-Bit DLL	5.1.2600.5512 
4/14/2008 5:42 AM	wsock32.dll
0x71B20000	0x12000	Image	Multiple Provider Router DLL	5.1.2600.5512 
4/14/2008 5:41 AM	mpr.dll
0x72D10000	0x8000	Image	Microsoft Sound Mapper	5.1.2600.0	8/23/2001 
5:00 AM	msacm32.drv
0x72D20000	0x9000	Image	WDM Audio driver mapper	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 
6:42 AM	wdmaud.drv
0x73010000	0x5E000	Image	Uniscribe Unicode script processor 
1.421.3790.0	3/25/2003 8:00 AM	usp10.dll
0x736B0000	0x7000	Image	DMO Runtime	6.5.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:42 AM 
msdmo.dll
0x73B30000	0x15000	Image	Microsoft Color Matching System DLL 
5.1.2600.5627	6/24/2008 9:43 AM	mscms.dll
0x73CE0000	0x21000	Image	Microsoft T2Embed Font Embedding	5.1.2600.6031 
8/27/2010 1:02 AM	t2embed.dll
0x73DC0000	0x3000	Image	LZ Expand/Compress API DLL	5.1.2600.0	8/23/2001 
5:00 AM	lz32.dll
0x755C0000	0x2E000	Image	Microsoft Text Frame Work Service IME 
5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:40 AM	msctfime.ime
0x76380000	0x5000	Image	GDIEXT Client DLL	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:42 
AM	msimg32.dll
0x76390000	0x1D000	Image	Windows XP IMM32 API Client DLL	5.1.2600.5512 
4/14/2008 5:41 AM	imm32.dll
0x769C0000	0xB4000	Image	Userenv	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:42 AM	userenv.dll
0x76B40000	0x2D000	Image	MCI API DLL	5.1.2600.6160	10/14/2011 7:47 AM 
winmm.dll
0x76BF0000	0xB000	Image	Process Status Helper	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 
5:42 AM	psapi.dll
0x76C30000	0x2E000	Image	Microsoft Trust Verification APIs 
5.131.2600.6285	8/24/2012 6:53 AM	wintrust.dll
0x76C90000	0x28000	Image	Windows NT Image Helper	5.1.2600.6198	2/29/2012 
7:10 AM	imagehlp.dll
0x76D60000	0x19000	Image	IP Helper API	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:41 AM 
iphlpapi.dll
0x76F20000	0x27000	Image	DNS Client API DLL	5.1.2600.6089	3/2/2011 
11:55 PM	dnsapi.dll
0x76F60000	0x2C000	Image	Win32 LDAP API DLL	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 
5:42 AM	wldap32.dll
0x76FB0000	0x8000	Image	LDAP RnR Provider DLL	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 
5:42 AM	winrnr.dll
0x76FC0000	0x6000	Image	Remote Access AutoDial Helper	5.1.2600.5512 
4/14/2008 5:42 AM	rasadhlp.dll
0x76FD0000	0x7F000	Image		2001.12.4414.700	4/14/2008 5:41 AM	clbcatq.dll
0x77050000	0xC5000	Image		2001.12.4414.700	4/14/2008 5:41 AM	comres.dll
0x77120000	0x8B000	Image		5.1.2600.6341	1/25/2013 8:55 PM	oleaut32.dll
0x773D0000	0x103000	Image	User Experience Controls Library 
6.0.2900.6028	8/23/2010 9:12 AM	comctl32.dll
0x774E0000	0x13E000	Image	Microsoft OLE for Windows	5.1.2600.6168 
11/1/2011 9:07 AM	ole32.dll
0x77920000	0xF3000	Image	Windows Setup API	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 
5:42 AM	setupapi.dll
0x77A80000	0x95000	Image	Crypto API32	5.131.2600.6369	3/26/2013 3:53 PM 
crypt32.dll
0x77B20000	0x12000	Image	ASN.1 Runtime APIs	5.1.2600.5875	9/4/2009 
2:03 PM	msasn1.dll
0x77B40000	0x22000	Image	Application Compatibility Client Library 
5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:41 AM	apphelp.dll
0x77BD0000	0x7000	Image	Microsoft MIDI Mapper	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 
5:41 AM	midimap.dll
0x77BE0000	0x15000	Image	Microsoft ACM Audio Filter	5.1.2600.5512 
4/14/2008 5:42 AM	msacm32.dll
0x77C00000	0x8000	Image	Version Checking and File Installation 
Libraries	5.1.2600.5512	4/14/2008 5:42 AM	version.dll
0x77C10000	0x58000	Image	Windows NT CRT DLL	7.0.2600.5512	4/14/2008 
5:42 AM	msvcrt.dll
0x77DD0000	0x9B000	Image	Advanced Windows 32 Base API	5.1.2600.5755 
2/9/2009 5:10 AM	advapi32.dll
0x77E70000	0x93000	Image	Remote Procedure Call Runtime	5.1.2600.6022 
8/16/2010 1:45 AM	rpcrt4.dll
0x77F10000	0x49000	Image	GDI Client DLL	5.1.2600.5698	10/23/2008 5:36 
AM	gdi32.dll
0x77F60000	0x76000	Image	Shell Light-weight Utility Library 
6.0.2900.5912	12/8/2009 2:23 AM	shlwapi.dll
0x77FE0000	0x11000	Image	Security Support Provider Interface 
5.1.2600.5834	6/25/2009 1:25 AM	secur32.dll
0x78050000	0x69000	Image	Microsoft� C Runtime Library	10.0.30319.1 
8/29/2012 12:07 AM	msvcp100.dll
0x78AA0000	0xBE000	Image	Microsoft� C Runtime Library	10.0.30319.1 
8/29/2012 12:07 AM	msvcr100.dll
0x7C800000	0xF6000	Image	Windows NT BASE API Client DLL	5.1.2600.6293 
10/2/2012 9:58 PM	kernel32.dll
0x7C900000	0xB2000	Image	NT Layer DLL	5.1.2600.6055	12/9/2010 8:15 AM 
ntdll.dll
0x7C9C0000	0x817000	Image	Windows Shell Common Dll	6.0.2900.6242 
6/8/2012 7:26 AM	shell32.dll
0x7E410000	0x91000	Image	Windows XP USER API Client DLL	5.1.2600.5512 
4/14/2008 5:42 AM	user32.dll
0x140000	0x3000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x150000	0x2000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x1B0000	0x10000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x1C0000	0x16000	Data			8/23/2001 5:00 AM	unicode.nls
0x1E0000	0x41000	Data			2/29/2008 2:40 PM	locale.nls
0x230000	0x41000	Data			8/23/2001 5:00 AM	sortkey.nls
0x280000	0x6000	Data			12/29/2006 11:38 PM	sorttbls.nls
0x290000	0xC8000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x370000	0x1000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x390000	0x3000	Data			8/23/2001 5:00 AM	ctype.nls
0x420000	0x103000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x530000	0x800000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x2C60000	0x2000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x2C80000	0x51000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x2CE0000	0xE000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x3470000	0x2000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x3480000	0x9A8000	Data			4/14/2013 11:37 AM	omni.ja
0x4120000	0x1000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x4150000	0x1000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x4300000	0x2B9000	Data			6/29/2013 2:47 PM	startupCache.4.little
0x5B00000	0x25000	Data			3/6/2013 11:27 PM	flashblock.jar
0x5B30000	0xA7000	Data			9/7/2012 6:34 AM	wot.jar
0x5BE0000	0x1C000	Data			3/15/2013 9:23 PM 
{6e84150a-d526-41f1-a480-a67d3fed910d}.xpi
0x5D00000	0xD5000	Data			5/14/2013 8:45 PM 
{d10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d}.xpi
0x66A0000	0x1000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x6800000	0xF8000	Data			4/14/2013 11:37 AM	modern@themes.mozilla.org.xpi
0x8700000	0x82000	Data			11/23/2012 9:26 AM	prefbar.jar
0xA000000	0xC7000	Data			4/13/2013 5:27 PM	inspector.jar
0xAF20000	0x8000	Data			6/30/2013 9:22 AM	places.sqlite-shm
0xB3C0000	0x8000	Data			6/30/2013 9:22 AM	webappsstore.sqlite-shm
0x100C0000	0x8000	Data			6/30/2013 9:22 AM	cookies.sqlite-shm
0x19C40000	0x40000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x7F6F0000	0x100000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>
0x7FFB0000	0x24000	Data				<Pagefile Backed>

Also, once in a while SeaMonkey will be super slow or frozen in its 
processs with one of my CPU cores going at max(imum) usage. It is 
probably I have too many complex and various tabs (e.g., 150+) going at 
once. :)


>> My VM can go high as 8 GB of pagefile with 2.5 GB (actually 3,
>> but I think VRAM takes 512 MB of it?) of RAM.
>
> (VRAM takes virtual memory, not physical memory.)

Uh, where did my 512 MB of RAM, from 3 GB, go then? I was told Video RAM 
takes some. I have an old ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB; PCIe).


> OK, so you don't have a problem with virtual memory.
>
> I think your problem is that Windows can't allocate more than 2 GB
> to a 32-bit process, unless you mess with the kernel config:

Oh. :(


> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>
> (I have personally never played with IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE.)

Hmm, a bit technical and not sure what to do with that.
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of its body. And while he had been inside the ant's body, he had also 
become aware of all the other ants in the nest. It was a bewildering 
feeling, as if his mind had shattered into thousands of fragments, yet 
each fragment remained a coherent part of the whole." --Colin Wilson, 
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6/30/2013 7:02:16 PM
Ant wrote:

> Also, once in a while SeaMonkey will be super slow or frozen in its 
> processs with one of my CPU cores going at max(imum) usage. It is 
> probably I have too many complex and various tabs (e.g., 150+) going
> at once. :)

The system might be thrashing (swapping lots of pages out to disk)
although with 3GB of RAM, that shouldn't happen, unless you have
other processes gobbling up RAM.

150 tabs is probably (??) pushing the limits of your 32-bit
operating system. Or there's a memory leak in Seamonkey or
in one of the add-ons/plug-ins you're using.

(One way to test that would be to configure SM to restore your
session at start, quit SM, then reopen SM and see if it's still
using as much RAM.)

I typically have 40-80 tabs open (across 10-15 windows) and
I thought I was pushing it...

> Uh, where did my 512 MB of RAM, from 3 GB, go then? I was told Video RAM 
> takes some. I have an old ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB; PCIe).

I have the same setup, WinXP + 3GB RAM + 512MB GPU and
Process Explorer "sees" all my RAM:

  Physical Memory (K) : 3 145 200

If you had 4 GB of RAM, then the GPU's RAM might "hide" some
of it, because it needs to be mapped below the 4GB mark.

>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
> 
> Hmm, a bit technical and not sure what to do with that.

It does look very complex :-(
Here's more on the subject:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb613473%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

I'm afraid the "easiest" thing to do is to use a 64-bit OS
and a 64-bit Seamonkey, but your OS is only 32-bit.

If you upgrade to Win7 (the 64-bit version) you might try
http://kb.mozillazine.org/64_bit_builds

Hold on! They're stuck on SM 2.0
http://wiki.mozilla-x86-64.com/SeaMonkey:Download

The one option you have left is trying Seamonkey from Linux!

Regards.

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Noob42
6/30/2013 10:30:26 PM
On 6/30/2013 3:30 PM PT, Noob42 typed:

>> Also, once in a while SeaMonkey will be super slow or frozen in its
>> processs with one of my CPU cores going at max(imum) usage. It is
>> probably I have too many complex and various tabs (e.g., 150+) going
>> at once. :)
>
> The system might be thrashing (swapping lots of pages out to disk)
> although with 3GB of RAM, that shouldn't happen, unless you have
> other processes gobbling up RAM.

SM is the biggest hogger of all. :(


> 150 tabs is probably (??) pushing the limits of your 32-bit
> operating system. Or there's a memory leak in Seamonkey or
> in one of the add-ons/plug-ins you're using.

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> (One way to test that would be to configure SM to restore your
> session at start, quit SM, then reopen SM and see if it's still
> using as much RAM.)

Yeah, it goes down by a few hundred MB but doesn't last long. For an 
example, my SM just crashed again. Restarted it with all restored 166 
tabs is using about ~1.4 GB compared to ~1.6 of RAM.


> I typically have 40-80 tabs open (across 10-15 windows) and
> I thought I was pushing it...

Heh, we're both crazy!


>> Uh, where did my 512 MB of RAM, from 3 GB, go then? I was told Video RAM
>> takes some. I have an old ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB; PCIe).
>
> I have the same setup, WinXP + 3GB RAM + 512MB GPU and
> Process Explorer "sees" all my RAM:
>
>    Physical Memory (K) : 3 145 200

Where do you see that in PE? I am looking through Windows' Help About 
like in Notepad and see "2,612,332 KB".


> If you had 4 GB of RAM, then the GPU's RAM might "hide" some
> of it, because it needs to be mapped below the 4GB mark.

Maybe. I messed up earlier. I actually 6 GB of RAM. I got confused with 
my Debian/Linux oldstable box with its 3 GB of RAM. Sorry. Either way, 
Windows XP only sees 2.5 GB of RAM.


>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>>
>> Hmm, a bit technical and not sure what to do with that.
>
> It does look very complex :-(
> Here's more on the subject:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb613473%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>
> I'm afraid the "easiest" thing to do is to use a 64-bit OS
> and a 64-bit Seamonkey, but your OS is only 32-bit.
>
> If you upgrade to Win7 (the 64-bit version) you might try
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/64_bit_builds
>
> Hold on! They're stuck on SM 2.0
> http://wiki.mozilla-x86-64.com/SeaMonkey:Download
>
> The one option you have left is trying Seamonkey from Linux!

Yeah. I don't use SM much on my 64-bit Debian oldstable box. My 64-bit 
Windows 7 office machines (3 and 8 GB of RAM), with 32-bit SM, is way 
more stable but then I don't have that many tabs (mostly Reddit) opened 
at once like I do at home. :O
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