SeaMonkey seems to be more and more unsupported by modern web-applications

.... like: 
- Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
- web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
The last one is the most confusing me.
How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it any way? 
Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?

I like Seamonkey and believe the new version will come. 
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ovchinnikov
6/10/2019 7:03:02 AM
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ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com a tapoté le 10/06/2019 09:03:
> ... like: 
> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
> The last one is the most confusing me.
> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it any way? 
> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
> 
> I like Seamonkey and believe the new version will come. 



For those reasons, I switched to the unofficial Seamonkey 2.53 some
extensions won't work.

<http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/>

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Yamo
6/10/2019 7:41:32 AM
On 6/10/2019 12:03 AM, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
> ... like:
> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
> The last one is the most confusing me.
> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it any way?
> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
> 
> I like Seamonkey and believe the new version will come.

I have changed user agent to Firefox with some problematic web sites, 
but that didn't help with the horrible slow speeds, etc. I just have to 
use real Firefox for those web sites. :(
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Ant
6/10/2019 9:22:35 AM
ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
> ... like:
> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
> The last one is the most confusing me.
> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it any way?
> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
> 
> I like Seamonkey and believe the new version will come.
> 

Do I have to log into Github? No problem seen in my SeaMonkey with this 
link. <https://github.com/>

The other site gives me a "WhatsApp works with Mozilla Firefox 30+" 
dialog box.

If I disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" in Preferences I get a 
"Browser not supported" dialog box when I reload the WhatsApp site.

SeaMonkey already masquerades as Firefox and as a browser above 30+.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.4




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WaltS48
6/10/2019 1:34:28 PM
WaltS48 wrote:
> ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>> ... like:
>> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
>> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
>> The last one is the most confusing me.
>> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it 
>> any way?
>> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>>
>> I like Seamonkey and believe the new version will come.
>>
> 
> Do I have to log into Github? No problem seen in my SeaMonkey with this 
> link. <https://github.com/>
> 
> The other site gives me a "WhatsApp works with Mozilla Firefox 30+" 
> dialog box.
> 
> If I disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" in Preferences I get a 
> "Browser not supported" dialog box when I reload the WhatsApp site.
> 
> SeaMonkey already masquerades as Firefox and as a browser above 30+.
> 
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
> SeaMonkey/2.49.4
> 
> 
> 
> 

I seem to remember Github belongs to Microsoft nowadays.

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Don
6/10/2019 4:52:51 PM
On 10/06/19 08:03, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
> ... like:
> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
> The last one is the most confusing me.
> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it any way?
> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>...

See <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=418303>

The WhatsApp page is sufficiently idiotic that, as well as masking your 
SeaMonkey-ness behind Firefox, you have uncheck 'Advertise Lightning 
compatibility' in Preferences>Advanced>HTTP Networking; see 
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275679>.

If pages (eg GitHub) include a pointless browser compatibility warning, 
you can use user JS or CSS (directly, or through NoScript surrogates or 
Stylish) to hide it.


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Dirk
6/10/2019 8:05:40 PM
On 6/10/19 12:52 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
> WaltS48 wrote:
>> ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ... like:
>>> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
>>> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
>>> The last one is the most confusing me.
>>> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change 
>>> it any way?
>>> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>>>
>>> I like Seamonkey and believe the new version will come.
>>>
>>
>> Do I have to log into Github? No problem seen in my SeaMonkey with 
>> this link. <https://github.com/>
>>
>> The other site gives me a "WhatsApp works with Mozilla Firefox 30+" 
>> dialog box.
>>
>> If I disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" in Preferences I get a 
>> "Browser not supported" dialog box when I reload the WhatsApp site.
>>
>> SeaMonkey already masquerades as Firefox and as a browser above 30+.
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
>> SeaMonkey/2.49.4
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> I seem to remember Github belongs to Microsoft nowadays.
> 

And that provides support to the OP how?

I have no problem going to <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/> with my 
SeaMonkey.

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WaltS48
6/10/2019 8:36:03 PM
WaltS48 wrote on 10/06/2019 11:34 PM:
> ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>> ... like:
>> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
>> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
>> The last one is the most confusing me.
>> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it 
>> any way?
>> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>>
>> I like Seamonkey and believe the new version will come.
>>
> 
> Do I have to log into Github? No problem seen in my SeaMonkey with this 
> link. <https://github.com/>
> 
> The other site gives me a "WhatsApp works with Mozilla Firefox 30+" 
> dialog box.
> 
> If I disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" in Preferences I get a 
> "Browser not supported" dialog box when I reload the WhatsApp site.
> 
> SeaMonkey already masquerades as Firefox and as a browser above 30+.
> 
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
> SeaMonkey/2.49.4
> 
Walt, might it be worthwhile the OP editing about:config by adding a 
UserAgent override preference??

-- 
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623
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Daniel
6/11/2019 8:46:06 AM
Daniel wrote:
> WaltS48 wrote on 10/06/2019 11:34 PM:
>> ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ... like:
>>> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
>>> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
>>> The last one is the most confusing me.
>>> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it any 
>>> way?
>>> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>>
> Walt, might it be worthwhile the OP editing about:config by adding a UserAgent 
> override preference??
> 

2.49.5 is in the works but won't help here. github and other major sites just 
do the wrong or deliberate to shut out browsers user agent sniffing of the 
day. 2.53 now reports itself as Gecko 60 which helps a lot. Feature wise it is 
already closer to 60 now anyway.

With the major players no longer caring about either Firefox or niche browsers 
you might need a second chromium based browser installed anyway in the near 
future. On Windows new Edge looks quite good to me if they bring it to 7 and 
8.1 and no one can call me a Microsoft friend :)

Of course there is still manifest V3 on the horizon.


FRG
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Frank
6/11/2019 9:48:29 AM
-------- Original Message --------
> On 10/06/19 08:03, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>> ... like:
>> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
>> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
>> The last one is the most confusing me.
>> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it 
>> any way?
>> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>> ...
> 
> See <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=418303>
> 
> The WhatsApp page is sufficiently idiotic that, as well as masking your 
> SeaMonkey-ness behind Firefox, you have uncheck 'Advertise Lightning 
> compatibility' in Preferences>Advanced>HTTP Networking; see 
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275679>.
> 
> If pages (eg GitHub) include a pointless browser compatibility warning, 
> you can use user JS or CSS (directly, or through NoScript surrogates or 
> Stylish) to hide it.
> 
> 

SeaMonkey is failing me in so many ways. e.g.
https://alumsso.mit.edu/oauth/authorize?response_type=token&client_id=ic&scope=all&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Falum.mit.edu%2Fdirectory%2F%23%2F


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meagain
6/11/2019 1:12:28 PM

meagain wrote:
> -------- Original Message --------
>> On 10/06/19 08:03, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>
> 
> SeaMonkey is failing me in so many ways. e.g.
> https://alumsso.mit.edu/oauth/authorize?response_type=token&client_id=ic&scope=all&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Falum.mit.edu%2Fdirectory%2F%23%2F 

Loads here with 2.53 and no warnings. Can't test further.

FRG
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Frank
6/11/2019 1:21:28 PM
I use 2.49.5 64-bit from https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/ and have no problems.
general.useragent.override;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0
general.useragent.override.instagram.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5
general.useragent.override.netflix.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
general.useragent.override.youtube.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5
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chokito
6/11/2019 1:36:11 PM
-------- Original Message --------
> 
> 
> meagain wrote:
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On 10/06/19 08:03, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>
>> SeaMonkey is failing me in so many ways. e.g.
>> https://alumsso.mit.edu/oauth/authorize?response_type=token&client_id=ic&scope=all&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Falum.mit.edu%2Fdirectory%2F%23%2F 
> 
> 
> Loads here with 2.53 and no warnings. Can't test further.
> 
> FRG

I'm game: where to get 2.53?
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meagain
6/11/2019 2:19:40 PM
-------- Original Message --------
> -------- Original Message --------
>> On 10/06/19 08:03, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ... like:
>>> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
>>> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
>>> The last one is the most confusing me.
>>> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change 
>>> it any way?
>>> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>>> ...
>>
>> See <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=418303>
>>
>> The WhatsApp page is sufficiently idiotic that, as well as masking 
>> your SeaMonkey-ness behind Firefox, you have uncheck 'Advertise 
>> Lightning compatibility' in Preferences>Advanced>HTTP Networking; see 
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275679>.
>>
>> If pages (eg GitHub) include a pointless browser compatibility 
>> warning, you can use user JS or CSS (directly, or through NoScript 
>> surrogates or Stylish) to hide it.
>>
>>
> 
> SeaMonkey is failing me in so many ways. e.g.
> https://alumsso.mit.edu/oauth/authorize?response_type=token&client_id=ic&scope=all&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Falum.mit.edu%2Fdirectory%2F%23%2F 
> 
> 
> 

Grumble: I found the problem in how certificates are handled: I was 
being overly cautious!

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meagain
6/11/2019 2:39:19 PM
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
>> WaltS48 wrote on 10/06/2019 11:34 PM:
>>> ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> ... like:
>>>> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
>>>> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
>>>> The last one is the most confusing me.
>>>> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change 
>>>> it any way?
>>>> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>>>
>> Walt, might it be worthwhile the OP editing about:config by adding a 
>> UserAgent override preference??
>>
> 
> 2.49.5 is in the works but won't help here. github and other major sites 
> just do the wrong or deliberate to shut out browsers user agent sniffing 
> of the day. 2.53 now reports itself as Gecko 60 which helps a lot. 
> Feature wise it is already closer to 60 now anyway.
> 
> With the major players no longer caring about either Firefox or niche 
> browsers you might need a second chromium based browser installed anyway 
> in the near future. On Windows new Edge looks quite good to me if they 
> bring it to 7 and 8.1 and no one can call me a Microsoft friend :)
> 
> Of course there is still manifest V3 on the horizon.
> 
> 
> FRG

I had to look that one up.
Manifest V3 is Chrome's blocking of ad-blockers, although I had rather 
assumed that it would not necessarily be active in clones such as Opera.
Speaking strictly for myself, the only non-Seamonkey browsers I use at 
all are Firefox ESR and Firefox Mobile.  None of the sites I frequent 
have a problem with that and if they did, I'd cease frequenting them.

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Don
6/11/2019 3:02:34 PM
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
>> WaltS48 wrote on 10/06/2019 11:34 PM:
>>> ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> ... like:
>>>> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
>>>> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
>>>> The last one is the most confusing me.
>>>> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it any 
>>>> way?
>>>> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>>>
>> Walt, might it be worthwhile the OP editing about:config by adding a 
>> UserAgent override preference??
>>
> 
> 2.49.5 is in the works but won't help here. github and other major sites just 
> do the wrong or deliberate to shut out browsers user agent sniffing of the 
> day. 2.53 now reports itself as Gecko 60 which helps a lot. Feature wise it is 
> already closer to 60 now anyway.
> 
> With the major players no longer caring about either Firefox or niche browsers 
> you might need a second chromium based browser installed anyway in the near 
> future. On Windows new Edge looks quite good to me if they bring it to 7 and 
> 8.1 and no one can call me a Microsoft friend :)
> 
> Of course there is still manifest V3 on the horizon.
> 
> 
> FRG

I have not seen problems with github, and I get software from there sometimes. 
  Sometimes I use SeaMonkey and sometimes Pale Moon.

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EE
6/11/2019 6:59:52 PM
Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
> On 10/06/19 08:03, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>> ... like:
>> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
>> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
>> The last one is the most confusing me.
>> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it any way?
>> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>> ...
> 
> See <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=418303>
> 
> The WhatsApp page is sufficiently idiotic that, as well as masking your 
> SeaMonkey-ness behind Firefox, you have uncheck 'Advertise Lightning 
> compatibility' in Preferences>Advanced>HTTP Networking; see 
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275679>.
> 
> If pages (eg GitHub) include a pointless browser compatibility warning, you 
> can use user JS or CSS (directly, or through NoScript surrogates or Stylish) 
> to hide it.
> 
> 
If the user-agent is the problem, why not just put a user-agent override for 
the specific site into about:config?  For example:
general.useragent.override.get.adobe.com/flashplayer set to Mozilla/5.0 
(Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:57.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/57.0
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EE
6/11/2019 7:07:09 PM
-------- Original Message --------
> Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
>> On 10/06/19 08:03, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ... like:
>>> - Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
>>> - web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
>>> The last one is the most confusing me.
>>> How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change 
>>> it any way?
>>> Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?
>>> ...
>>
>> See <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=418303>
>>
>> The WhatsApp page is sufficiently idiotic that, as well as masking 
>> your SeaMonkey-ness behind Firefox, you have uncheck 'Advertise 
>> Lightning compatibility' in Preferences>Advanced>HTTP Networking; see 
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275679>.
>>
>> If pages (eg GitHub) include a pointless browser compatibility 
>> warning, you can use user JS or CSS (directly, or through NoScript 
>> surrogates or Stylish) to hide it.
>>
>>
> If the user-agent is the problem, why not just put a user-agent override 
> for the specific site into about:config?  For example:
> general.useragent.override.get.adobe.com/flashplayer set to Mozilla/5.0 
> (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:57.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/57.0

Browser sniffing has been reported to be done in several different ways, 
which if still true means that useragent is not a fix-all solution, but 
it does help sometimes.
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meagain
6/11/2019 7:50:32 PM
meagain wrote on 12/06/2019 12:19 AM:
>> meagain wrote:
>>>> On 10/06/19 08:03, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>> SeaMonkey is failing me in so many ways. e.g.
>>> https://alumsso.mit.edu/oauth/authorize?response_type=token&client_id=ic&scope=all&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Falum.mit.edu%2Fdirectory%2F%23%2F 
>>
>> Loads here with 2.53 and no warnings. Can't test further.
>>
>> FRG
> 
> I'm game: where to get 2.53?

Go to http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ and download the version of your 
choice  and install.

Report back here what you find.
-- 
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418
or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623
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Daniel
6/12/2019 6:39:29 AM
-------- Original Message --------
> meagain wrote on 12/06/2019 12:19 AM:
>>> meagain wrote:
>>>>> On 10/06/19 08:03, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> SeaMonkey is failing me in so many ways. e.g.
>>>> https://alumsso.mit.edu/oauth/authorize?response_type=token&client_id=ic&scope=all&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Falum.mit.edu%2Fdirectory%2F%23%2F 
>>>
>>>
>>> Loads here with 2.53 and no warnings. Can't test further.
>>>
>>> FRG
>>
>> I'm game: where to get 2.53?
> 
> Go to http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ and download the version of your 
> choice  and install.
> 
> Report back here what you find.

I find a Win-32 AND a Win-64 - how do I switch over from 32 to 64?

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meagain
6/12/2019 3:08:14 PM

meagain wrote:
> -------- Original Message --------
>> meagain wrote on 12/06/2019 12:19 AM:
>>>> meagain wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/06/19 08:03, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>
>> Go to http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ and download the version of your choice  
>> and install.
>>
>> Report back here what you find.
> 
> I find a Win-32 AND a Win-64 - how do I switch over from 32 to 64?
> 

First uninstall the current x86 version. You profile will not be touched by 
this. Then install the x64.

Btw. the official 2.49.5 will be provided in x86 and x64 versions for Linux 
and Windows too.

Your profile will be upgraded and is then incompatible with 2.49.x so please 
do a full profile backup before the upgrade.

FRG
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Frank
6/12/2019 3:37:52 PM
Trying SM 2.53 ... Backing up profile... Installing...
And... It cannot work with web.whatsapp.com :(

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ovchinnikov
6/13/2019 10:49:34 AM
-------- Original Message --------
> Trying SM 2.53 ... Backing up profile... Installing...
> And... It cannot work with web.whatsapp.com :(
> 

Advertising "firefox compatibility" seems to change the response.
It's under prefs | advanced | http ...
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meagain
6/13/2019 11:19:59 AM
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9 =D0=B3., 14:20:04 UTC+3 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=
=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C meagain =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=
:
> -------- Original Message --------
> > Trying SM 2.53 ... Backing up profile... Installing...
> > And... It cannot work with web.whatsapp.com :(
> >=20
>=20
> Advertising "firefox compatibility" seems to change the response.
> It's under prefs | advanced | http ...
It doesn't works.
Above is about this experiment:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.support.seamonkey/3VDMqA5QUDk/Z_r_H=
buaAwAJ
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ovchinnikov
6/13/2019 1:51:31 PM
ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote on 13-06-19 15:51:
> четверг, 13 июня 2019 г., 14:20:04 UTC+3 пользователь meagain написал:
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Trying SM 2.53 ... Backing up profile... Installing...
>>> And... It cannot work with web.whatsapp.com :(
>>>
>> Advertising "firefox compatibility" seems to change the response.
>> It's under prefs | advanced | http ...
> It doesn't works.
> Above is about this experiment:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.support.seamonkey/3VDMqA5QUDk/Z_r_HbuaAwAJ
Try to use https://web.whatsapp.com/ with a real FireFox .... or .....

This is my UI: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0
but really I am under SM 2.49.1
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Ray_Net
6/13/2019 3:39:21 PM
Ray_Net:

>Try to use https://web.whatsapp.com/ with a real FireFox .... or .....
>
>This is my UI: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0
>but really I am under SM 2.49.1

Nice. Now there is a new entry in my user.js:

user_pref("general.useragent,override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");

Company to the prefs for bbc and independent. :)

Hartmut
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Hartmut
6/13/2019 4:12:26 PM
Hartmut Figge wrote on 13-06-19 18:12:
> Ray_Net:
>
>> Try to use https://web.whatsapp.com/ with a real FireFox .... or .....
>>
>> This is my UI: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)
>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0
>> but really I am under SM 2.49.1
> Nice. Now there is a new entry in my user.js:
>
> user_pref("general.useragent,override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
> (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");
>
> Company to the prefs for bbc and independent. :)
>
> Hartmut
Are you in SM 2.53 ? and my UI did correct the whasapp problem ?
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Ray_Net
6/13/2019 11:45:27 PM
Ray_Net:
>Hartmut Figge wrote on 13-06-19 18:12:

>> user_pref("general.useragent,override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
>> (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");

>Are you in SM 2.53 ?

Sort of. A self compiled one. Some minor private patches.

>and my UI did correct the whasapp problem ?

It did. And my pref makes sure that only whatsapp sees the changed UA.

Hartmut
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Hartmut
6/14/2019 4:24:10 AM
=D1=87=D0=B5=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3, 13 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD=D1=8F 201=
9 =D0=B3., 19:12:33 UTC+3 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=
=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Hartmut Figge =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=
=D0=BB:
> Ray_Net:
>=20
> >Try to use https://web.whatsapp.com/ with a real FireFox .... or .....
> >
> >This is my UI: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)=
=20
> >Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0
> >but really I am under SM 2.49.1
>=20
> Nice. Now there is a new entry in my user.js:
>=20
> user_pref("general.useragent,override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
> (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");
>=20
> Company to the prefs for bbc and independent. :)
>=20
> Hartmut

user_pref("general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows =
NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");

Nice job! It works with SM 2.49.4 too!!!
Thanks a lot!
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ovchinnikov
6/14/2019 7:36:03 AM
=D1=87=D0=B5=D1=82=D0=B2=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B3, 13 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD=D1=8F 201=
9 =D0=B3., 19:12:33 UTC+3 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=
=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Hartmut Figge =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=
=D0=BB:
> Ray_Net:
>=20
> >Try to use https://web.whatsapp.com/ with a real FireFox .... or .....
> >
> >This is my UI: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)=
=20
> >Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0
> >but really I am under SM 2.49.1
>=20
> Nice. Now there is a new entry in my user.js:
>=20
> user_pref("general.useragent,override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
> (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");
>=20
> Company to the prefs for bbc and independent. :)
>=20
> Hartmut

Just only "general.useragent[DOT]override.whatsapp.com".
Nice job!

user_pref("general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows =
NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");

It works for SM 2.49.4 too!!!

Whatsapp web interface is usable now!
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ovchinnikov
6/14/2019 7:39:32 AM
ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com:

>Just only "general.useragent[DOT]override.whatsapp.com".

Right. Thanks.

Hartmut
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Hartmut
6/14/2019 8:33:21 AM
I use 2.49.5 64-bit from https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/ and have no problems.
general.useragent.override;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0
general.useragent.override.instagram.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5
general.useragent.override.netflix.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
general.useragent.override.youtube.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5
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chokito
6/14/2019 1:10:48 PM
chokito:

>I use 2.49.5 64-bit from https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/ and have no problems.
>general.useragent.override;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0

Then this is the one whatsapp will see. And all others beside the
following three.

>general.useragent.override.instagram.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5
>general.useragent.override.netflix.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
>general.useragent.override.youtube.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5

Hartmut
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Hartmut
6/14/2019 1:49:32 PM
On 14/06/19 08:36, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>...>
> 
> Nice job! It works with SM 2.49.4 too!!!

As I pointed out on 10/06/19 21:05, the mad browser-sniffer at whatsapp 
gets confused by mention of Lightning in the UA as well as SeaMonkey:
 >...>
 > See <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=418303>
 >
 > The WhatsApp page is sufficiently idiotic that, as well as masking your
 > SeaMonkey-ness behind Firefox, you have uncheck 'Advertise Lightning
 > compatibility' in Preferences>Advanced>HTTP Networking; see
 > <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275679>.

If you use Chris Pederick's UA Switcher extension, "Lightning" still 
gets added to the UA string unless you turn it off.

-- 
London
UK
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Dirk
6/15/2019 11:46:44 AM
Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
> On 14/06/19 08:36, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>> ...>
>>
>> Nice job! It works with SM 2.49.4 too!!!
> 
> As I pointed out on 10/06/19 21:05, the mad browser-sniffer at whatsapp gets 
> confused by mention of Lightning in the UA as well as SeaMonkey:
>  >...>
>  > See <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=418303>
>  >
>  > The WhatsApp page is sufficiently idiotic that, as well as masking your
>  > SeaMonkey-ness behind Firefox, you have uncheck 'Advertise Lightning
>  > compatibility' in Preferences>Advanced>HTTP Networking; see
>  > <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275679>.
> 
> If you use Chris Pederick's UA Switcher extension, "Lightning" still gets 
> added to the UA string unless you turn it off.
> 
Lightning is no longer packaged with SeaMonkey, so there is no mention of it 
in the user-agent unless you added it as an extension.

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EE
6/15/2019 9:49:32 PM
On 6/15/19 5:49 PM, EE wrote:
> Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
>> On 14/06/19 08:36, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ...>
>>>
>>> Nice job! It works with SM 2.49.4 too!!!
>>
>> As I pointed out on 10/06/19 21:05, the mad browser-sniffer at 
>> whatsapp gets confused by mention of Lightning in the UA as well as 
>> SeaMonkey:
>>  >...>
>>  > See <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=418303>
>>  >
>>  > The WhatsApp page is sufficiently idiotic that, as well as masking 
>> your
>>  > SeaMonkey-ness behind Firefox, you have uncheck 'Advertise Lightning
>>  > compatibility' in Preferences>Advanced>HTTP Networking; see
>>  > <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275679>.
>>
>> If you use Chris Pederick's UA Switcher extension, "Lightning" still 
>> gets added to the UA string unless you turn it off.
>>
> Lightning is no longer packaged with SeaMonkey, so there is no mention 
> of it in the user-agent unless you added it as an extension.
> 

Even with it advertised, it doesn't show up in the UA string in email 
headers and hasn't since I don't know when.

Maybe it does for web sites.

-- 
OS: Ubuntu Linux 18.04LTS - Gnome Desktop
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/
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WaltS48
6/15/2019 10:30:55 PM
On 15/06/19 23:30, WaltS48 wrote:
>...> 
> Even with [Lightning] advertised, it doesn't show up in the UA string in email 
> headers and hasn't since I don't know when.
> 
> Maybe it does for web sites.

Sure does.

/df

-- 
London
UK
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Dirk
6/16/2019 12:22:25 AM
EE wrote on 16/06/2019 7:49 AM:
> Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
>> On 14/06/19 08:36, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ...>
>>>
>>> Nice job! It works with SM 2.49.4 too!!!
>>
>> As I pointed out on 10/06/19 21:05, the mad browser-sniffer at 
>> whatsapp gets confused by mention of Lightning in the UA as well as 
>> SeaMonkey:
>>  >...>
>>  > See <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=418303>
>>  >
>>  > The WhatsApp page is sufficiently idiotic that, as well as masking 
>> your
>>  > SeaMonkey-ness behind Firefox, you have uncheck 'Advertise Lightning
>>  > compatibility' in Preferences>Advanced>HTTP Networking; see
>>  > <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1275679>.
>>
>> If you use Chris Pederick's UA Switcher extension, "Lightning" still 
>> gets added to the UA string unless you turn it off.
>>
> Lightning is no longer packaged with SeaMonkey, so there is no mention 
> of it in the user-agent unless you added it as an extension.
> 
I seem to recall that the SM Devs ARE looking to include Lightning 
with-in the package.

But they are experiencing problems A.T.M.

-- 
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418
or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623
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Daniel
6/16/2019 9:22:50 AM
Daniel wrote:
> EE wrote on 16/06/2019 7:49 AM:
>> Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
>>> On 14/06/19 08:36, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> ...>
>>>>
>> Lightning is no longer packaged with SeaMonkey, so there is no mention of it 
>> in the user-agent unless you added it as an extension.
>>
> I seem to recall that the SM Devs ARE looking to include Lightning with-in the 
> package.
> 
> But they are experiencing problems A.T.M.
> 

Problems solved. cZ, DOMi and Lightning will come back with 2.49.5. On the 
build server right now to apply the finishing touches to the source code.

FRG
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Frank
6/16/2019 9:35:42 AM
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 16/06/2019 7:35 PM:
> Daniel wrote:
>> EE wrote on 16/06/2019 7:49 AM:
>>> Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
>>>> On 14/06/19 08:36, ovchinnikov.vasily@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> ...>
>>>>>
>>> Lightning is no longer packaged with SeaMonkey, so there is no 
>>> mention of it in the user-agent unless you added it as an extension.
>>>
>> I seem to recall that the SM Devs ARE looking to include Lightning 
>> with-in the package.
>>
>> But they are experiencing problems A.T.M.
>>
> 
> Problems solved. cZ, DOMi and Lightning will come back with 2.49.5. On 
> the build server right now to apply the finishing touches to the source 
> code.
> 
> FRG

Good to read! Thanks, FRG.
-- 
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418
or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623
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Daniel
6/17/2019 9:34:18 AM
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