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Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support 
for the .pdf file format?
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Paul
2/19/2013 7:13:54 PM
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Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support
> for the .pdf file format?
>

Doubt it.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.16/

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WaltS
2/19/2013 7:22:27 PM
Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support for the
> .pdf file format?

What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems optimal, PDF is a 
format which seems to lend itself to making that choice on a per-file basis, so 
the current action seems appropriate.

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Bill
2/19/2013 7:33:55 PM
On 02/19/2013 02:33 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Paul Bergsagel wrote:
>> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support for the
>> .pdf file format?
>
> What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems optimal, PDF is a
> format which seems to lend itself to making that choice on a per-file basis, so
> the current action seems appropriate.
>

He probably has this in mind.

<http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/02/19/firefox-introduces-pdf-viewer-to-browse-the-web-without-interruption/>

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WaltS
2/19/2013 7:40:46 PM
WaltS wrote:

> On 02/19/2013 02:33 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Paul Bergsagel wrote:
>>> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in
>>> support for the .pdf file format?
>>
>> What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems
>> optimal, PDF is a format which seems to lend itself to making that
>> choice on a per-file basis, so the current action seems
>> appropriate.
>
> He probably has this in mind.
>
> <http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/02/19/firefox-introduces-pdf-viewer-to-browse-the-web-without-interruption/>
>

The article seems to tout the ability to view PDFs without additional 
clicks as a big deal, but we can already set SM to do that if we so 
desire. I personally would rather have the choice of configuring my 
browser to open them in a plugin or a standalone app or automatically 
save them or ask me or whatever.

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Paul
2/19/2013 8:55:56 PM
On 2/19/13 11:22 AM, WaltS wrote:
> Paul Bergsagel wrote:
>> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support
>> for the .pdf file format?
>>
> 
> Doubt it.
> 
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.16/
> 

The release notes indicate:
> SSL-related warning prompts (leaving or entering a secure site,
> viewing mixed content) have been replaced by less intrusive,
> non-modal notification bars.  

Is there a way (e.g., a preference variable) to keep the dialogue popup?

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David
2/19/2013 9:22:44 PM
WaltS wrote:
> On 02/19/2013 02:33 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Paul Bergsagel wrote:
>>> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support for the
>>> .pdf file format?
>>
>> What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems optimal, PDF is a
>> format which seems to lend itself to making that choice on a per-file basis, so
>> the current action seems appropriate.
>>
>
> He probably has this in mind.
>
> <http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/02/19/firefox-introduces-pdf-viewer-to-browse-the-web-without-interruption/>
>
>
Given that a plugin can be called by default if you always want to view, and if 
this is Mozilla maintained code they seem to be putting their effort into 
features rather than the buglist, I can't say I care much one way or the other. 
Wish FF for Android would play MP3 (URLs ending in .m3u) for all the icecast 
public radio stations, not having to find a plugin or run a separate app would 
be a time saver.

If it's in the core code I bet SM will get it because it's easier than not, 
otherwise who knows, plugins can be called now.

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Bill
2/19/2013 9:27:34 PM
WaltS wrote, On 19/02/2013 20:40:
> On 02/19/2013 02:33 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Paul Bergsagel wrote:
>>> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in 
>>> support for the
>>> .pdf file format?
>>
>> What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems 
>> optimal, PDF is a
>> format which seems to lend itself to making that choice on a per-file 
>> basis, so
>> the current action seems appropriate.
>>
>
> He probably has this in mind.
>
> <http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/02/19/firefox-introduces-pdf-viewer-to-browse-the-web-without-interruption/> 
>
>
I don't like plugins, i prefer to work as now. clicking on a pdf page 
let me choice between save the file or open it with the default acrobat 
reader.
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Ray_Net
2/19/2013 11:01:23 PM
Interviewed by CNN on 19/02/2013 20:01, Ray_Net told the world:
> WaltS wrote, On 19/02/2013 20:40:
>> On 02/19/2013 02:33 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>> Paul Bergsagel wrote:
>>>> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in 
>>>> support for the
>>>> .pdf file format?
>>>
>>> What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems 
>>> optimal, PDF is a
>>> format which seems to lend itself to making that choice on a per-file 
>>> basis, so
>>> the current action seems appropriate.
>>>
>>
>> He probably has this in mind.
>>
>> <http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/02/19/firefox-introduces-pdf-viewer-to-browse-the-web-without-interruption/> 
>>
>>
> I don't like plugins, i prefer to work as now. clicking on a pdf page 
> let me choice between save the file or open it with the default acrobat 
> reader.

The whole point of pdf.js is that it's not exactly a plugin. With
plugins, the browser hands the file to an external process and just
reserves a space in the screen for that external process to display the
results. With pdf.js, all the rendering is done inside Gecko itself,
which supposedly makes the experience more smooth and seamless.

With that said... I'll probably end up disabling it. I much prefer
downloading PDFs than reading them online.


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MCBastos
2/20/2013 12:00:23 AM
On 2013-02-19 2:13 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support
> for the .pdf file format?

The PDF viewer was first tried out as an extension, before being added 
to the Firefox code. If the PDF viewer isn't part of SeaMonkey (I don't 
know if it is), you can go to Tools-->Add-ons_Manager-->Get_Add-ons, and 
search for "PDF Viewer". It should be the first extension in the list.

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Chris
2/20/2013 12:27:31 AM
Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support
> for the .pdf file format?

....would be nice, but I'd be happier if they just fixed the drop down menus.

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Rufus
2/20/2013 2:32:22 AM
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> WaltS wrote:
>
>> On 02/19/2013 02:33 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>> Paul Bergsagel wrote:
>>>> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in
>>>> support for the .pdf file format?
>>>
>>> What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems
>>> optimal, PDF is a format which seems to lend itself to making that
>>> choice on a per-file basis, so the current action seems
>>> appropriate.
>>
>> He probably has this in mind.
>>
>> <http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/02/19/firefox-introduces-pdf-viewer-to-browse-the-web-without-interruption/>
>>
>>
>
> The article seems to tout the ability to view PDFs without additional
> clicks as a big deal, but we can already set SM to do that if we so
> desire. I personally would rather have the choice of configuring my
> browser to open them in a plugin or a standalone app or automatically
> save them or ask me or whatever.
>
Did they make sure it had the ability to fillout PDF Forms online?  and 
print them without downloading the PDF.

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PhillipJones
2/20/2013 5:06:40 AM
MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 19/02/2013 20:01, Ray_Net told the world:
>> WaltS wrote, On 19/02/2013 20:40:
>>> On 02/19/2013 02:33 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>>> Paul Bergsagel wrote:
>>>>> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in
>>>>> support for the
>>>>> .pdf file format?
>>>>
>>>> What did you have in mind? The current save/open choice seems
>>>> optimal, PDF is a
>>>> format which seems to lend itself to making that choice on a per-file
>>>> basis, so
>>>> the current action seems appropriate.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He probably has this in mind.
>>>
>>> <http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/02/19/firefox-introduces-pdf-viewer-to-browse-the-web-without-interruption/>
>>>
>>>
>> I don't like plugins, i prefer to work as now. clicking on a pdf page
>> let me choice between save the file or open it with the default acrobat
>> reader.
>
> The whole point of pdf.js is that it's not exactly a plugin. With
> plugins, the browser hands the file to an external process and just
> reserves a space in the screen for that external process to display the
> results. With pdf.js, all the rendering is done inside Gecko itself,
> which supposedly makes the experience more smooth and seamless.
>
> With that said... I'll probably end up disabling it. I much prefer
> downloading PDFs than reading them online.
>
>
If you don't want to read it online, a "Right Click/Save As" is all you 
need to do.  I've been using PDF.js for months now on 64-bit Ubuntu 
because Adobe never released a 64-bit reader for Linux.  On my 32-bit 
laptop, I have the Adobe plug-in, but it is only Version 9.  Looks like 
Adobe is no longer developing the reader for Linux, so the support for 
PDF.js just makes sense.


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Cruz
2/20/2013 12:15:07 PM
Interviewed by CNN on 20/02/2013 09:15, Cruz, Jaime told the world:
> MCBastos wrote:

>> The whole point of pdf.js is that it's not exactly a plugin. With
>> plugins, the browser hands the file to an external process and just
>> reserves a space in the screen for that external process to display the
>> results. With pdf.js, all the rendering is done inside Gecko itself,
>> which supposedly makes the experience more smooth and seamless.
>>
>> With that said... I'll probably end up disabling it. I much prefer
>> downloading PDFs than reading them online.
>>
>>
> If you don't want to read it online, a "Right Click/Save As" is all you 
> need to do.  I've been using PDF.js for months now on 64-bit Ubuntu 
> because Adobe never released a 64-bit reader for Linux.  On my 32-bit 
> laptop, I have the Adobe plug-in, but it is only Version 9.  Looks like 
> Adobe is no longer developing the reader for Linux, so the support for 
> PDF.js just makes sense.

I know that, but not all websites expose the actual PDF on the link in a
right-clickable way, instead using redirects. For those, before I
disabled the PDF plugin, I had to wait for the document to load and
parse (which could take a while, for larger documents) and then use the
save command. Which was annoying.

Also, in my experience paging through a long PDF with lots of pictures
(like, say, a motherboard manual) using a plugin is a dismal experience,
compared to just saving it and reading it locally. And finally, I don't
see much point in reading a PDF online -- PDFs are usually stable
documents (like books) that you probably want to keep at hand even if
your connection fails. The whole point of making a PDF file is that it's
all self-contained like a book, with no external dependencies -- so you
can use it offline.

Since I was going to save the PDFs anyway, disabling the PDF plugin and
letting the download manager or DownThemAll take over streamlined the
process.

I'm going to give pdf.js a try to see if it improves the experience
compared to conventional plugins, but I'm not that optimist.

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MCBastos
2/20/2013 12:37:25 PM
On 20/02/2013 03:13, Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support 
> for the .pdf file format?

We don't have any plans to include pdfjs at the moment although we would
like to of course. Currently the pdfjs code is something of a moving
target. Once things stabilize we might give this another look.

Phil

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Philip
2/21/2013 5:21:03 AM
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:22:44 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 2/19/13 11:22 AM, WaltS wrote:
>> Paul Bergsagel wrote:
>>> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support
>>> for the .pdf file format?
>>>
>> 
>> Doubt it.
>> 
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.16/
>> 
> 
> The release notes indicate:
>> SSL-related warning prompts (leaving or entering a secure site,
>> viewing mixed content) have been replaced by less intrusive,
>> non-modal notification bars.  
> 
> Is there a way (e.g., a preference variable) to keep the dialogue popup?

Yes. You can write an extension.

Phil

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Philip
2/21/2013 5:22:12 AM
Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> Will SeaMonkey 2.16 (the next major release) include built-in support 
> for the .pdf file format?
That would be an awesome feature.  Is there a list of new features to be 
implemented?


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2/23/2013 9:56:49 PM
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