maps.google.com in SM

At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.

The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
which should have no problem rendering in any browser.

Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?

GW
SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10
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On 07/21/2007 02:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
> 
> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
> 
> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
> 
> GW
> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10

Looks like it's a "our site is broken because we don't know how to
detect a gecko engine properly". (It works in SM if you spoof it with a
FF UA in PrefBar.)

Complaint directly to the website contact
and politely refer them to the following URLS:

http://geckoisgecko.org/
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Browser_Detection_and_Cross_Browser_Support

for further information on how they can correctly detect Gecko browsers.
Remind them (politely please) that fixing the problem will enable
users such as yourself to continue using their site & services. They are
afterall in the business of attracting & accommodating site visitors &
subscribers and if you can't use all features on their site you may
eventually take your business elsewhere... like Yahoo Maps, or Mapquest
etc.

SM 1.1.3 linux


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NoOp
7/21/2007 10:41:40 PM
On 07/21/2007 03:41 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 07/21/2007 02:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
>> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
>> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>> 
>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>> 
>> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
>> 
>> GW
>> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10
> 
> Looks like it's a "our site is broken because we don't know how to
> detect a gecko engine properly". (It works in SM if you spoof it with a
> FF UA in PrefBar.)
> 
> Complaint directly to the website contact
> and politely refer them to the following URLS:
> 
> http://geckoisgecko.org/
> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Browser_Detection_and_Cross_Browser_Support
> 
> for further information on how they can correctly detect Gecko browsers.
> Remind them (politely please) that fixing the problem will enable
> users such as yourself to continue using their site & services. They are
> afterall in the business of attracting & accommodating site visitors &
> subscribers and if you can't use all features on their site you may
> eventually take your business elsewhere... like Yahoo Maps, or Mapquest
> etc.
> 
> SM 1.1.3 linux
> 
> 

Forgot; here's the code:

AGENTS = ["opera","msie","safari","firefox","netscape","mozilla"]

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NoOp
7/21/2007 10:43:00 PM
On 7/21/2007 2:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
> 
> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
> 
> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
> 
> GW
> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10

This is Tech Evangelism bug #378644.  See
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378644>.

Since the UA string for future versions of Firefox might not contain the
word "Firefox", this is also a concern relative to bug #334967.
Sniffers should only look for "Gecko" and not for any particular Mozilla
product or clone name.

-- 

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<http://www.rossde.com/>.

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bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. � 1997
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David
7/21/2007 11:14:45 PM
On 7/21/2007 4:14 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 7/21/2007 2:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
>> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
>> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>>
>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>>
>> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
>>
>> GW
>> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10
> 
> This is Tech Evangelism bug #378644.  See
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378644>.
> 
> Since the UA string for future versions of Firefox might not contain the
> word "Firefox", this is also a concern relative to bug #334967.
> Sniffers should only look for "Gecko" and not for any particular Mozilla
> product or clone name.
> 

This also affects SeaMonkey on WindowsXP, not only on a Mac.

Once the server dectects a browser (or fails to detect a browser because
it's doing it wrong), it appears to set a cookie.  With that cookie set,
changing the UA string (to spoof another browser) does not work.  Thus,
to have the functionality of expanding the map, you must both clear the
cookie and spoofing another browser.

-- 

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.

Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive
bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. � 1997
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David
7/21/2007 11:23:42 PM
NoOp wrote:
> On 07/21/2007 03:41 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 07/21/2007 02:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
>>> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
>>> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>>>
>>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>>>
> here's the code:
> 
> AGENTS = ["opera","msie","safari","firefox","netscape","mozilla"]
> 

Odd then, that, Camino works.  I didn't try to dissect the code for that 
reason.  Maybe Camino IDs itself as Mozilla?  I would have thought SM 
would also.

In about:blank it says Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; 
en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070719 SeaMonkey/1.1.3

I guess I thought that was the info that sniff-code gets.

GW
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Geoff
7/21/2007 11:51:20 PM
David E. Ross wrote:
> On 7/21/2007 2:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
>> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
>> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>>
>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>>
>> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
>>
>> GW
>> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10
> 
> This is Tech Evangelism bug #378644.  See
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378644>.
> 
> Since the UA string for future versions of Firefox might not contain the
> word "Firefox", this is also a concern relative to bug #334967.
> Sniffers should only look for "Gecko" and not for any particular Mozilla
> product or clone name.
> 

Thank you,
GW
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Geoff
7/21/2007 11:52:42 PM
David E. Ross wrote:
> On 7/21/2007 4:14 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 7/21/2007 2:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
>>> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
>>> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>>>
>>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>>>
>>> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
>>>
>>> GW
>>> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10
>> This is Tech Evangelism bug #378644.  See
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378644>.
>>
>> Since the UA string for future versions of Firefox might not contain the
>> word "Firefox", this is also a concern relative to bug #334967.
>> Sniffers should only look for "Gecko" and not for any particular Mozilla
>> product or clone name.
>>
> 
> This also affects SeaMonkey on WindowsXP, not only on a Mac.
> 
> Once the server dectects a browser (or fails to detect a browser because
> it's doing it wrong), it appears to set a cookie.  With that cookie set,
> changing the UA string (to spoof another browser) does not work.  Thus,
> to have the functionality of expanding the map, you must both clear the
> cookie and spoofing another browser.
> 

jooc,
how does someone spoof the user agent?

GW
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Geoff
7/22/2007 12:10:35 AM
Besides spoofing the user-agent, you can also get it to work by adding
the following CSS rule to userContent.css:

@-moz-document domain("maps.google.com") {
  #paneltoggle { visibility: visible !important; }
}

It's not perfect, as the toggle image to show the sidebar again doesn't
want to show (haven't managed to track down yet why that'd be the case),
but should be good enough for most of the time.

Sander
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Sander
7/22/2007 12:26:01 AM
Geoff Welsh wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 7/21/2007 4:14 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 7/21/2007 2:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the 
>>>> map to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and 
>>>> in Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>>>>
>>>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>>>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>>>>
>>>> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
>>>>
>>>> GW
>>>> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10
>>> This is Tech Evangelism bug #378644.  See
>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378644>.
>>>
>>> Since the UA string for future versions of Firefox might not contain the
>>> word "Firefox", this is also a concern relative to bug #334967.
>>> Sniffers should only look for "Gecko" and not for any particular Mozilla
>>> product or clone name.
>>>
>>
>> This also affects SeaMonkey on WindowsXP, not only on a Mac.
>>
>> Once the server dectects a browser (or fails to detect a browser because
>> it's doing it wrong), it appears to set a cookie.  With that cookie set,
>> changing the UA string (to spoof another browser) does not work.  Thus,
>> to have the functionality of expanding the map, you must both clear the
>> cookie and spoofing another browser.
>>
> 
> jooc,
> how does someone spoof the user agent?
> 
> GW
answering myself....
about:config   general.useragent.extra.seamonkey
change value to Firefox/2.0.0.5

GW
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Geoff
7/22/2007 12:30:18 AM
Sander wrote:
> Besides spoofing the user-agent, you can also get it to work by adding
> the following CSS rule to userContent.css:
> 
> @-moz-document domain("maps.google.com") {
>   #paneltoggle { visibility: visible !important; }
> }
> 
> It's not perfect, as the toggle image to show the sidebar again doesn't
> want to show (haven't managed to track down yet why that'd be the case),
> but should be good enough for most of the time.
> 
> Sander

nice!
GW
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Geoff
7/22/2007 12:51:01 AM
On 07/21/2007 04:51 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 07/21/2007 03:41 PM, NoOp wrote:
>>> On 07/21/2007 02:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
>>>> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
>>>> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>>>>
>>>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>>>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>>>>
>> here's the code:
>> 
>> AGENTS = ["opera","msie","safari","firefox","netscape","mozilla"]
>> 
> 
> Odd then, that, Camino works.  I didn't try to dissect the code for that 
> reason.  Maybe Camino IDs itself as Mozilla?  I would have thought SM 
> would also.

Or IDs itself as Firefox?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384721
Camino - Bug 384721 – Put reference to Firefox in User Agent (ua) string

That, in addition to the bug David provided makes for an interesting read.
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NoOp
7/22/2007 12:58:31 AM
On 7/21/2007 5:10 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 7/21/2007 4:14 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 7/21/2007 2:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
>>>> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
>>>> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>>>>
>>>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>>>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>>>>
>>>> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
>>>>
>>>> GW
>>>> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10
>>> This is Tech Evangelism bug #378644.  See
>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378644>.
>>>
>>> Since the UA string for future versions of Firefox might not contain the
>>> word "Firefox", this is also a concern relative to bug #334967.
>>> Sniffers should only look for "Gecko" and not for any particular Mozilla
>>> product or clone name.
>>>
>> This also affects SeaMonkey on WindowsXP, not only on a Mac.
>>
>> Once the server dectects a browser (or fails to detect a browser because
>> it's doing it wrong), it appears to set a cookie.  With that cookie set,
>> changing the UA string (to spoof another browser) does not work.  Thus,
>> to have the functionality of expanding the map, you must both clear the
>> cookie and spoofing another browser.
>>
> 
> jooc,
> how does someone spoof the user agent?
> 
> GW

I use the PrefBar extension.  It has a User Agent selection list that a
user can modify.  Also, PrefBar restores the actual UA string when
SeaMonkey terminates (or is it when SeaMonkey starts up?) in case the
user forgets that he or she was spoofing another browser.

I set it up to be able to spoof the following (with UA strings):

Mozilla 1.0 Windows 98:  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US;
rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530

Firefox 2.0 WindowsXP:  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070309 Firefox/2.0.0.3

Netscape 6.2 Linux:  Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4)
Gecko/20011022 Netscape6/6.2

Internet Explorer 7 WindowsXP:  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0;
Windows NT 5.1)

Internet Explorer 5.0 Mac:  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Mac_PowerPC)

Opera 9 WindowsXP:  Opera/9.10 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en)

-- 

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<http://www.rossde.com/>.

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bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. � 1997
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David
7/22/2007 3:58:54 AM
NoOp wrote:
> On 07/21/2007 04:51 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>>> On 07/21/2007 03:41 PM, NoOp wrote:
>>>> On 07/21/2007 02:44 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>>>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
>>>>> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
>>>>> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>>>>>
>>>>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>>>>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>>>>>
>>> here's the code:
>>>
>>> AGENTS = ["opera","msie","safari","firefox","netscape","mozilla"]
>>>
>> Odd then, that, Camino works.  I didn't try to dissect the code for that 
>> reason.  Maybe Camino IDs itself as Mozilla?  I would have thought SM 
>> would also.
> 
> Or IDs itself as Firefox?
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384721
> Camino - Bug 384721 – Put reference to Firefox in User Agent (ua) string
> 
> That, in addition to the bug David provided makes for an interesting read.

hmmmmm.
If that's so I still don't know where the UA string is then because I 
can't find any reference to FF.  The config that I can change to FF in 
SM doesn't exist in Camino.

No matter, I like the css solution best.
GW
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Geoff
7/22/2007 5:02:39 AM
Geoff Welsh wrote:
>> how does someone spoof the user agent?
>>
>> GW
> answering myself....
> about:config   general.useragent.extra.seamonkey
> change value to Firefox/2.0.0.5

actually, a better way is with the User Agent switcher: 
http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/.  With 
this extension, when you close SM, the UA reverts back to 
the original setting.  If you change it in the config 
editor, you may forget to change it back, and when you 
restart the program, you may end up with problems else 
where, like with another plugin, namely java.

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Peter
7/22/2007 5:09:51 AM
David E. Ross wrote:
> Once the server dectects a browser (or fails to detect a browser because
> it's doing it wrong), it appears to set a cookie.  With that cookie set,
> changing the UA string (to spoof another browser) does not work.  Thus,
> to have the functionality of expanding the map, you must both clear the
> cookie and spoofing another browser.

then delete the cookies and try again.

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Peter
7/22/2007 5:10:31 AM
Geoff Welsh wrote:
> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
> 
> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
> 
> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
> 
> GW
> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10

maybe I'm lost, but what do you mean by carrot?  I've looked 
at the site in SM, FF, IE, and Opera, and I see the same 
thing.  I don't see anything about a carrot.

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Peter
7/22/2007 5:44:22 AM
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> Geoff Welsh wrote:
>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
>> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
>> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>>
>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>>
>> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
>>
>> GW
>> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10
> 
> maybe I'm lost, but what do you mean by carrot?  I've looked at the site 
> in SM, FF, IE, and Opera, and I see the same thing.  I don't see 
> anything about a carrot.
> 

triangle, arrow, carrot.
The official bug report 
(https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378644) noted in one of 
the early responses, confirming my observation, calls it an arrow.
It's really a triangle.
GW
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Geoff
7/22/2007 10:33:51 AM
Geoff Welsh wrote:
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Geoff Welsh wrote:
>>> At http://maps.google.com/  there should be a carrot to expand the map 
>>> to the width of the window.  The carrot appears in Firefox, and in 
>>> Camino, and even in Safari, but not in SM.
>>>
>>> The carrot has link property;  javascript:void(0)
>>> which should have no problem rendering in any browser.
>>>
>>> Any else see this problem?  Is it only w/ SM on Mac?
>>>
>>> GW
>>> SM 1.1.3 on OS 10.4.10
>> maybe I'm lost, but what do you mean by carrot?  I've looked at the site 
>> in SM, FF, IE, and Opera, and I see the same thing.  I don't see 
>> anything about a carrot.
>>
> 
> triangle, arrow, carrot.
> The official bug report 
> (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378644) noted in one of 
> the early responses, confirming my observation, calls it an arrow.
> It's really a triangle.
> GW

OK, I see it now.  Thanks

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Peter
7/22/2007 5:10:56 PM
Sander wrote:
> Besides spoofing the user-agent, you can also get it to work by adding
> the following CSS rule to userContent.css:
> 
> @-moz-document domain("maps.google.com") {
>   #paneltoggle { visibility: visible !important; }
> }
> 
> It's not perfect, as the toggle image to show the sidebar again doesn't
> want to show (haven't managed to track down yet why that'd be the case),
> but should be good enough for most of the time.
> 
> Sander


This worked for several days, but now appears to have stopped working.
The arrow is there, but it does nothing when clicked.
GW
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Geoff
7/25/2007 9:31:30 AM
Geoff Welsh wrote:
> Sander wrote:
>> Besides spoofing the user-agent, you can also get it to work by adding
>> the following CSS rule to userContent.css:
>>
>> @-moz-document domain("maps.google.com") {
>>   #paneltoggle { visibility: visible !important; }
>> }
>>
>> It's not perfect, as the toggle image to show the sidebar again doesn't
>> want to show (haven't managed to track down yet why that'd be the case),
>> but should be good enough for most of the time.
>>
>> Sander
> 
> 
> This worked for several days, but now appears to have stopped working.
> The arrow is there, but it does nothing when clicked.
> GW

Google Inc. employees might also be reading these newsgroup you know ;)

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Michael
7/25/2007 10:29:12 AM
Michael Vincent van Rantwijk, MultiZilla wrote:
> Geoff Welsh wrote:
>> Sander wrote:
>>> Besides spoofing the user-agent, you can also get it to work by adding
>>> the following CSS rule to userContent.css:
>>>
>>> @-moz-document domain("maps.google.com") {
>>>   #paneltoggle { visibility: visible !important; }
>>> }
>>>
>>> It's not perfect, as the toggle image to show the sidebar again doesn't
>>> want to show (haven't managed to track down yet why that'd be the case),
>>> but should be good enough for most of the time.
>>>
>>> Sander
>>
>>
>> This worked for several days, but now appears to have stopped working.
>> The arrow is there, but it does nothing when clicked.
>> GW
> 
> Google Inc. employees might also be reading these newsgroup you know ;)
> 

we WISH.  They'd fix the real problem, not cancel our own fixes.
GW
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Geoff
7/26/2007 10:00:14 AM
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