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On 8/12/19 9:03 AM, meagain wrote:
> Today a newspaper site has images blurred when viewed by SeaMonkey 
> 2.49.4 but not in other browsers. What could cause that?

We don't know without visiting the site.

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WaltS48
8/12/2019 1:26:26 PM
-------- Original Message --------
> On 8/12/19 9:03 AM, meagain wrote:
>> Today a newspaper site has images blurred when viewed by SeaMonkey 
>> 2.49.4 but not in other browsers. What could cause that?
> 
> We don't know without visiting the site.
> 
https://www.bostonglobe.com/

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meagain
8/12/2019 1:46:53 PM
meagain composed on 2019-08-12 09:46 (UTC-0400):

> https://www.bostonglobe.com/

When I select to view any of those images, the image is only 20x15 or 20x18
pixels, small icon size, so the normal size images provided by the page have
apparently been zoomed many orders of magnitude, resulting in nothing but blurs.
-- 
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Felix
8/12/2019 2:02:23 PM
Felix Miata composed on 2019-08-12 10:02 (UTC-0400):

> meagain composed on 2019-08-12 09:46 (UTC-0400):

>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/

> When I select to view any of those images, the image is only 20x15 or 20x18
> pixels, small icon size, so the normal size images provided by the page have
> apparently been zoomed many orders of magnitude, resulting in nothing but blurs.

Solved by using:
general.useragent.override.www.bostonglobe.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0;
Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 instead of normal
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.4;
-- 
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Felix
8/12/2019 2:08:13 PM
On 8/12/19 9:46 AM, meagain wrote:
> -------- Original Message --------
>> On 8/12/19 9:03 AM, meagain wrote:
>>> Today a newspaper site has images blurred when viewed by SeaMonkey 
>>> 2.49.4 but not in other browsers. What could cause that?
>>
>> We don't know without visiting the site.
>>
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/
> 

Not blurry for me using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4

They look the same in my my Firefox Nightly Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux 
x86_64; rv:70.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/70.0

Does reloading the page help?

-- 
OS: Ubuntu Linux 18.04LTS - Gnome Desktop
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WaltS48
8/12/2019 2:30:08 PM
WaltS48:
>On 8/12/19 9:46 AM, meagain wrote:

>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/
>
>Not blurry for me using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's because of^. :) If you want to see to see the problem, uncheck
'Advertise Firefox compatibility'.

Hartmut
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Hartmut
8/12/2019 2:40:47 PM
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/12/2019 9:46 AM, meagain wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:WZmdnUsXQcNQ8MzAnZ2dnUU7-UGdnZ2d@mozilla.org">--------
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      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">On 8/12/19 9:03 AM, meagain wrote:
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">Today a newspaper site has images
          blurred when viewed by SeaMonkey 2.49.4 but not in other
          browsers. What could cause that?
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        We don't know without visiting the site.
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="166">-- 
"This is America!  You can't make a horse
 testify against himself!"          -Mister Ed</pre>
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UTF
8/12/2019 3:19:22 PM
Hartmut Figge wrote:

> WaltS48:
>> On 8/12/19 9:46 AM, meagain wrote:
> 
>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/
>>
>> Not blurry for me using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> That's because of^. :) If you want to see to see the problem, uncheck
> 'Advertise Firefox compatibility'.

I can reproduce the problem without difficulty using the standard UA 
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4." Disabling "Advertise Firefox 
compatibility" as you suggest has no effect -- the problem persists.

Maybe they have a dossier on me and know I'm a Yankee fan? ;-)

-- 
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher

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Paul
8/12/2019 3:32:23 PM
Paul B. Gallagher:
>Hartmut Figge wrote:
>> WaltS48:
>>> On 8/12/19 9:46 AM, meagain wrote:

>>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/
>>>
>>> Not blurry for me using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
>>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4
>>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> That's because of^. :) If you want to see to see the problem, uncheck
>> 'Advertise Firefox compatibility'.
>
>I can reproduce the problem without difficulty using the standard UA 
>"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
>Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4." Disabling 

Hm. Walt did not see the problem. I assumed it was because of the
Firefox/52.0 in his UA.

>"Advertise Firefox compatibility" as you suggest has no effect -- the problem persists.

Well, the problem should have gone with advertising FF. *g* It is so
with my SM-2.53. With 'Advertise' I have

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/2019080313 Firefox/60.0
SeaMonkey/2.53-h

and the problem is gone. Without 'Advertise' I have

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/2019080313 SeaMonkey/2.53-h

and blurry pictures. Walt and you have both Firefox/52.0 in the UA, so
the version of FF is the same. Regarding the UA. You should see the same
as Walt. Hm.

Clearing the cache? Preferences->Advance->Cache

>Maybe they have a dossier on me and know I'm a Yankee fan? ;-)

I assume this a baseball club. ;)

Hartmut
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Hartmut
8/12/2019 3:59:54 PM
Hartmut Figge wrote:

> Paul B. Gallagher:
>> Hartmut Figge wrote:
>>> WaltS48:
>>>> On 8/12/19 9:46 AM, meagain wrote:
> 
>>>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/
>>>>
>>>> Not blurry for me using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
>>>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4
>>>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> That's because of^. :) If you want to see to see the problem, uncheck
>>> 'Advertise Firefox compatibility'.
>>
>> I can reproduce the problem without difficulty using the standard UA
>> "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4." Disabling
> 
> Hm. Walt did not see the problem. I assumed it was because of the
> Firefox/52.0 in his UA.
> 
>> "Advertise Firefox compatibility" as you suggest has no effect -- the problem persists.
> 
> Well, the problem should have gone with advertising FF. *g* It is so
> with my SM-2.53. With 'Advertise' I have
> 
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/2019080313 Firefox/60.0
> SeaMonkey/2.53-h
> 
> and the problem is gone. Without 'Advertise' I have
> 
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/2019080313 SeaMonkey/2.53-h
> 
> and blurry pictures. Walt and you have both Firefox/52.0 in the UA, so
> the version of FF is the same. Regarding the UA. You should see the same
> as Walt. Hm.
> 
> Clearing the cache? Preferences->Advance->Cache

Clearing private data did solve it for me (currently using default 
"Advertise Firefox compatibility").

Clearing private data again, disabling "Advertise Firefox 
compatibility," and reattempting also showed clear photos.

So clearly ;-) clearing private data was the answer, and advertising FF 
compability was irrelevant. I should always remember to CPD before testing.

>> Maybe they have a dossier on me and know I'm a Yankee fan? ;-)
> 
> I assume this a baseball club. ;)

Yes. The New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox have been bitter rivals for 
over 100 years, worse than ManU v. Liverpool or Serbs v. Croats. If 
you're curious: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Bambino>. 
The /Boston Globe/ is the main newspaper up there, and today's edition 
carries a prominent story lamenting the demise of this year's team. :-))

-- 
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher
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Paul
8/12/2019 4:25:45 PM
On 8/12/2019 6:03 AM, meagain wrote:
> Today a newspaper site has images blurred when viewed by SeaMonkey 
> 2.49.4 but not in other browsers. What could cause that?
> 

I used to see this problem when viewing Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation (CBC) Web pages with JavaScript disabled.  They apparently
changed their Web pages so that no longer happens.

-- 
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

The headline reads:
"Trump urges 'common sense' gun measures, seeks NRA input"

Tell me, Mr. Fox, how many hens do you want in the hen house
we are asking you to guard?
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David
8/12/2019 4:26:13 PM
Felix Miata composed on 2019-08-12 10:08 (UTC-0400):

> Felix Miata composed on 2019-08-12 10:02 (UTC-0400):

>> meagain composed on 2019-08-12 09:46 (UTC-0400):

>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/

>> When I select to view any of those images, the image is only 20x15 or 20x18
>> pixels, small icon size, so the normal size images provided by the page have
>> apparently been zoomed many orders of magnitude, resulting in nothing but blurs.

> Solved by using:
> general.useragent.override.www.bostonglobe.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0;
> Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 instead of normal
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.4;

BTW, I also use NoScript, and a very large hosts file blocking adservers.

URL of 20x14 ‘He is always with girls’ image in SeaMonkey 2.49.5:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/resizer/4Ts84XI6iC7WO7a99VKm2Ow8azU=/20x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bostonglobe.s3.amazonaws.com/public/SLGLKVEG3YI6TML7JRWQENNF6Q.jpg

URL of 599x427 ‘He is always with girls’ image in Firefox 52:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/resizer/sh_ciRW-kGcrGHGpXHKHM_S9olM=/fit-in/600x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bostonglobe.s3.amazonaws.com/public/SLGLKVEG3YI6TML7JRWQENNF6Q.jpg
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
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Felix
8/12/2019 5:04:13 PM
-------- Original Message --------
> WaltS48:
>> On 8/12/19 9:46 AM, meagain wrote:
> 
>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/
>>
>> Not blurry for me using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> That's because of^. :) If you want to see to see the problem, uncheck
> 'Advertise Firefox compatibility'.
> 
> Hartmut
> 

DISabling Firefox compat does fix the problem for me! Thank you.

But but  it used to work!

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meagain
8/12/2019 8:18:14 PM
On 8/12/19 10:40 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> WaltS48:
>> On 8/12/19 9:46 AM, meagain wrote:
> 
>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/
>>
>> Not blurry for me using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> That's because of^. :) If you want to see to see the problem, uncheck
> 'Advertise Firefox compatibility'.
> 
> Hartmut
> 

Now why would anyone want to do that. ;)

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WaltS48
8/12/2019 10:53:04 PM
Felix Miata wrote:
> BTW, I also use NoScript, and a very large hosts file blocking adservers.

Although a lot of this thread has focused on the issues of UA spoofing, 
if you're using NoScript, I'm inclined to believe that's the problem.  I

I also make extensive use of NoScript, and in my default settings, I see 
the same kind of blurring at The Globe. A check of NoScript shows that 
when I arrive at the Globe's site, scripts presented by bostonglobe.com, 
googletagmanager, chartbeat.com, blueconic.com, amazon-adsystem and 3 
different hosts at cloudfront are all there.

With a little trial-and-error, I find that if I enable bostonglobe.com, 
then the photos resolve correctly. If that scripting host is enabled, 
then I see no problems with photos with the default UA, and no spoofing 
is needed. However, the trade-off is that the scripting host that runs 
The Globe's paywall, and it takes clicking only an article or two before 
you get nagged for a subscriber login.

I've found the same effect at bleacherreport.com, where photos get 
blurred unless I enable the scripting on that site.

When it comes to enabling or disabling scripting hosts, chartbeat, 
blueconic and amazon-adsystem are all advertising related. As a general 
thing, I've found that at many sites (but not all), it's desirable to 
enable cloudfront's hosts, as they often deliver content I want to see, 
although I don't enable them (and often per-visit) unless doing so seems 
to be necessary to see content I want.

Googletagmanager is an odd beast. I'm generally suspicious of enabling 
anything Google, but it's not uncommon at many sites that if I click on 
a link and get no response, it takes enabling googletagmanager. The same 
kind thing tends to apply with other Google hosts (including cached 
fonts at gcion.com), although which Google hosts need enabling vary from 
site to site.

By my experience, the only Google scripting host that seems to be 
exclusively related to advertising and tracking (and where it's always 
safe to block without disrupting content or navigation) is with Google 
Analytics.


Smith
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NFN
8/13/2019 3:07:30 PM
NFN Smith wrote:

> Felix Miata wrote:
>> BTW, I also use NoScript, and a very large hosts file blocking adservers.
> 
> Although a lot of this thread has focused on the issues of UA spoofing, 
> if you're using NoScript, I'm inclined to believe that's the problem.  I
> 
> I also make extensive use of NoScript, and in my default settings, I see 
> the same kind of blurring at The Globe. A check of NoScript shows that 
> when I arrive at the Globe's site, scripts presented by bostonglobe.com, 
> googletagmanager, chartbeat.com, blueconic.com, amazon-adsystem and 3 
> different hosts at cloudfront are all there.
> 
> With a little trial-and-error, I find that if I enable bostonglobe.com, 
> then the photos resolve correctly. If that scripting host is enabled, 
> then I see no problems with photos with the default UA, and no spoofing 
> is needed. However, the trade-off is that the scripting host that runs 
> The Globe's paywall, and it takes clicking only an article or two before 
> you get nagged for a subscriber login.

Confirmed as to javascript. I get blur no matter what I do until I 
reenable js. As for subscriber logins, I routinely get these nags from a 
variety of news sites, but clearing cookies resets their counters to 
zero and lets you read a few more articles. But blocking cookies often 
causes them to refuse to serve any content at all. You have to pretend 
to cooperate.

-- 
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher

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Paul
8/13/2019 4:12:27 PM
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