2 issues with Seamonky 2.2

When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone. Second problem is 
annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to close 
it. You have to rt click to close the tab.

I sure would like to see my bookmarks again.
Any ideas how to fix this??

   B
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Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:34:32 -0700, /Juiceman/:

> When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone. Second problem is
> annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to
> close it. You have to rt click to close the tab.

As far as I remember, no SeaMonkey version has ever had a little x 
on browser tabs.  There has always been one on the far right of the 
tab bar, however.

> I sure would like to see my bookmarks again.
> Any ideas how to fix this??

Have you by any chance installed a 2.1 or 2.2 pre release version 
and tried it with your profile?  See 
<http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.2/#issues>:

   * Data loss warning: If you use a profile with this or any later 
version and then try to go back to SeaMonkey 2.0, SeaMonkey will 
rename your history file to places.sqlite.corrupt and create a new 
places.sqlite file, effectively resetting your browsing history. 
This is because the internal format changed and the upgrade process 
only works in one direction.

You may also just import your SeaMonkey 2.0 "bookmarks.html" file 
into the 2.2 profile format using Tools -> Import HTML... -> File 
(from the Bookmarks Manager).

-- 
Stanimir
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Stanimir
8/13/2011 4:45:07 PM
Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:45:07 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:
> Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:34:32 -0700, /Juiceman/:
>
>> Second problem is
>> annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to
>> close it. You have to rt click to close the tab.
>
> As far as I remember, no SeaMonkey version has ever had a little x
> on browser tabs. There has always been one on the far right of the
> tab bar, however.

You can also just middle-click on tabs to close them.

-- 
Stanimir
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Stanimir
8/13/2011 4:46:28 PM

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

> You can also just middle-click on tabs to close them.

How would one simulate a middle-click with a 2-button mouse, Stanimir ?
Philip Taylor
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Philip
8/13/2011 4:52:34 PM
On 13.08.2011 11:52, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> 
> 
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> 
>> You can also just middle-click on tabs to close them.
> 
> How would one simulate a middle-click with a 2-button mouse, Stanimir ?
> Philip Taylor

Easier to just add the extension Seatab X

http://tom-cat.com/mozilla/extensions.html

This will add an "x" to the tab to close it.

-- 
*Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion*
www.ufaq.org
Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Thunderbird
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Jay
8/13/2011 5:07:36 PM
On 8/13/11 9:34 AM, Juiceman wrote:
> When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone. Second problem is 
> annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to close 
> it. You have to rt click to close the tab.
> 
> I sure would like to see my bookmarks again.
> Any ideas how to fix this??
> 
>    B

When you say "my bookmarks are gone", do you mean you cannot find the
file bookmarks.html?  Or do you mean that, when you go to the menu bar
and select [Bookmarks > Manage Bookmarks], the Bookmarks Manager window
shows no bookmarks?

-- 

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David
8/13/2011 5:17:29 PM

Jay Garcia wrote:

> Easier to just add the extension Seatab X
> 
> http://tom-cat.com/mozilla/extensions.html
> 
> This will add an "x" to the tab to close it.

Ah yes, nice : I don't like tabs, but that extension does,
at a stroke, address one of my most serious objections to them.

Philip Taylor
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Philip
8/13/2011 5:21:00 PM
On 13.08.2011 12:21, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> 
> 
> Jay Garcia wrote:
> 
>> Easier to just add the extension Seatab X
>> 
>> http://tom-cat.com/mozilla/extensions.html
>> 
>> This will add an "x" to the tab to close it.
> 
> Ah yes, nice : I don't like tabs, but that extension does,
> at a stroke, address one of my most serious objections to them.
> 
> Philip Taylor

If you don't like "tabs":

With only "new tab" displayed:

VIEW => Show/Hide => Tab Bar

Now you don't even need the "x". ;-)


-- 
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www.ufaq.org
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Jay
8/13/2011 5:34:32 PM
David E. Ross wrote:
> On 8/13/11 9:34 AM, Juiceman wrote:
>> When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone. Second problem is
>> annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to close
>> it. You have to rt click to close the tab.
>>
>> I sure would like to see my bookmarks again.
>> Any ideas how to fix this??
>>
>>     B
>
> When you say "my bookmarks are gone", do you mean you cannot find the
> file bookmarks.html?  Or do you mean that, when you go to the menu bar
> and select [Bookmarks>  Manage Bookmarks], the Bookmarks Manager window
> shows no bookmarks?
>
Its when I click the bookmark button I just get the new style bookmark 
manager, but my saved bookmark list dosnt show.
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Juiceman
8/13/2011 5:43:29 PM

Jay Garcia wrote:

> If you don't like "tabs":
> 
> With only "new tab" displayed:

....

Silly question, but how do I get only "new tab" displayed ?
** Phil.
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Philip
8/13/2011 5:46:14 PM
Interviewed by CNN on 13/08/2011 14:43, Juiceman told the world:

> Its when I click the bookmark button I just get the new style bookmark 
> manager, but my saved bookmark list dosnt show.

OK. IF you have upgraded directly from 2.0.x to 2.2 (that is, if you
wasn't using 2.1 previously), this sounds like a case of failure of the
automatic conversion to the new bookmarks system. It happens sometimes,
but the reasons are still being investigated.

The solution, though, is simple. Open the bookmark manager, open the
menu Tools/Import HTML, select "File", navigate to your Seamonkey
profile and select bookmarks.html.

This was SUPPOSED to happen automatically on first run of SM 2.1 or
above, but as I said, sometimes it fails for still unknown reasons.
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MCBastos
8/13/2011 5:53:33 PM
On 8/13/11 10:34 AM, Jay Garcia wrote:
> On 13.08.2011 12:21, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
> 
>  --- Original Message ---
> 
>>
>>
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>
>>> Easier to just add the extension Seatab X
>>>
>>> http://tom-cat.com/mozilla/extensions.html
>>>
>>> This will add an "x" to the tab to close it.
>>
>> Ah yes, nice : I don't like tabs, but that extension does,
>> at a stroke, address one of my most serious objections to them.
>>
>> Philip Taylor
> 
> If you don't like "tabs":
> 
> With only "new tab" displayed:
> 
> VIEW => Show/Hide => Tab Bar
> 
> Now you don't even need the "x". ;-)
> 
> 

No, I don't think that is correct.  I think that affects the Tabs bar
only when a single tab is open.

Instead, on the menu bar select [Edit > Preference].  On the left side
of the Preferences window under Categories, select [Browser > Link
Behavior].  In each of the three groups of radio buttons, select the
bottom button for new windows.  Then select the OK button.

-- 

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David
8/13/2011 6:46:25 PM
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
>
>
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>
>> You can also just middle-click on tabs to close them.
>
> How would one simulate a middle-click with a 2-button mouse, Stanimir ?
> Philip Taylor

How would you simulate Middle click with track pad built in a Laptop?



-- 
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http://www.phillipmjones.net        mailto:pjones1@kimbanet.com
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PhillipJones
8/13/2011 10:46:33 PM
David E. Ross wrote:
> On 8/13/11 9:34 AM, Juiceman wrote:
>> When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone. Second problem is
>> annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to close
>> it. You have to rt click to close the tab.
>>
>> I sure would like to see my bookmarks again.
>> Any ideas how to fix this??
>>
>>     B
>
> When you say "my bookmarks are gone", do you mean you cannot find the
> file bookmarks.html?  Or do you mean that, when you go to the menu bar
> and select [Bookmarks>  Manage Bookmarks], the Bookmarks Manager window
> shows no bookmarks?
>

That was my case when I tried out 2.3.3.a

I had copied over all the bookmarks from my 2.0 Profile into a new Profile.

The files were there, in the profile none showed up.

-- 
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PhillipJones
8/13/2011 10:50:52 PM
PhillipJones a �crit :
>
> How would you simulate Middle click with track pad built in a Laptop?
>
>
>


I'd configure the track pad's zones.

S.
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S
8/13/2011 10:51:10 PM
On 8/13/11 3:50 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 8/13/11 9:34 AM, Juiceman wrote:
>>> When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone. Second problem is
>>> annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to close
>>> it. You have to rt click to close the tab.
>>>
>>> I sure would like to see my bookmarks again.
>>> Any ideas how to fix this??
>>>
>>>     B
>>
>> When you say "my bookmarks are gone", do you mean you cannot find the
>> file bookmarks.html?  Or do you mean that, when you go to the menu bar
>> and select [Bookmarks>  Manage Bookmarks], the Bookmarks Manager window
>> shows no bookmarks?
>>
> 
> That was my case when I tried out 2.3.3.a
> 
> I had copied over all the bookmarks from my 2.0 Profile into a new Profile.
> 
> The files were there, in the profile none showed up.
> 

If you have the bookmarks.html file, open the Bookmarks Manager (as I
indicated earlier).  On the Bookmarks Manager menu bar, select [Tools >
Import HTML].  On the Import Wizard popup dialogue, select the File
radio button and then the Next button.  On the Import Bookmarks File
file-selection window, navigate to the bookmarks.html file and select
it.  The rest should be easy.

-- 

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David
8/14/2011 12:12:19 AM
David E. Ross wrote:
> On 8/13/11 3:50 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 8/13/11 9:34 AM, Juiceman wrote:
>>>> When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone. Second problem is
>>>> annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to close
>>>> it. You have to rt click to close the tab.
>>>>
>>>> I sure would like to see my bookmarks again.
>>>> Any ideas how to fix this??
>>>>
>>>>      B
>>>
>>> When you say "my bookmarks are gone", do you mean you cannot find the
>>> file bookmarks.html?  Or do you mean that, when you go to the menu bar
>>> and select [Bookmarks>   Manage Bookmarks], the Bookmarks Manager window
>>> shows no bookmarks?
>>>
>>
>> That was my case when I tried out 2.3.3.a
>>
>> I had copied over all the bookmarks from my 2.0 Profile into a new Profile.
>>
>> The files were there, in the profile none showed up.
>>
>
> If you have the bookmarks.html file, open the Bookmarks Manager (as I
> indicated earlier).  On the Bookmarks Manager menu bar, select [Tools>
> Import HTML].  On the Import Wizard popup dialogue, select the File
> radio button and then the Next button.  On the Import Bookmarks File
> file-selection window, navigate to the bookmarks.html file and select
> it.  The rest should be easy.
>

Thanks I'll have to try when 2.3 or 2.4. I'm determined to try until I 
get one that works I might try. I hope PDF support return by 2.4.

-- 
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PhillipJones
8/14/2011 4:07:09 AM
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:46:33 -0400, PhillipJones wrote:
> Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
>>
>>
>> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>
>>> You can also just middle-click on tabs to close them.
>>
>> How would one simulate a middle-click with a 2-button mouse, Stanimir ?
>> Philip Taylor
> 
> How would you simulate Middle click with track pad built in a Laptop?

I tap in the top right hand corner of the trackpad. First you might need
to set up the correct tap zones in your trackpad configuration program.

Phil

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oh Night, and so be good for us to pass.
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Philip
8/14/2011 4:17:30 AM
On 8/13/11 9:07 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 8/13/11 3:50 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>>> On 8/13/11 9:34 AM, Juiceman wrote:
>>>>> When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone. Second problem is
>>>>> annoying more than a problem, there isn't a little x on the tab to close
>>>>> it. You have to rt click to close the tab.
>>>>>
>>>>> I sure would like to see my bookmarks again.
>>>>> Any ideas how to fix this??
>>>>>
>>>>>      B
>>>>
>>>> When you say "my bookmarks are gone", do you mean you cannot find the
>>>> file bookmarks.html?  Or do you mean that, when you go to the menu bar
>>>> and select [Bookmarks>   Manage Bookmarks], the Bookmarks Manager window
>>>> shows no bookmarks?
>>>>
>>>
>>> That was my case when I tried out 2.3.3.a
>>>
>>> I had copied over all the bookmarks from my 2.0 Profile into a new Profile.
>>>
>>> The files were there, in the profile none showed up.
>>>
>>
>> If you have the bookmarks.html file, open the Bookmarks Manager (as I
>> indicated earlier).  On the Bookmarks Manager menu bar, select [Tools>
>> Import HTML].  On the Import Wizard popup dialogue, select the File
>> radio button and then the Next button.  On the Import Bookmarks File
>> file-selection window, navigate to the bookmarks.html file and select
>> it.  The rest should be easy.
>>
> 
> Thanks I'll have to try when 2.3 or 2.4. I'm determined to try until I 
> get one that works I might try. I hope PDF support return by 2.4.
> 

I'm not sure what problem you are having with PDF.  I'm not having any
problems with HTML Web pages that have links to PDF files.  Depending on
the MIME type associated with the files, they open either within my
browser window or in an Adobe Reader window.

-- 

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David
8/14/2011 5:07:00 AM
MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 13/08/2011 14:43, Juiceman told the world:
>
>> Its when I click the bookmark button I just get the new style bookmark
>> manager, but my saved bookmark list dosnt show.
>
> OK. IF you have upgraded directly from 2.0.x to 2.2 (that is, if you
> wasn't using 2.1 previously), this sounds like a case of failure of the
> automatic conversion to the new bookmarks system. It happens sometimes,
> but the reasons are still being investigated.
>
> The solution, though, is simple. Open the bookmark manager, open the
> menu Tools/Import HTML, select "File", navigate to your Seamonkey
> profile and select bookmarks.html.
>
> This was SUPPOSED to happen automatically on first run of SM 2.1 or
> above, but as I said, sometimes it fails for still unknown reasons.

But of course with 2.3 almost here,
bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 or upgrade there-to will not be addressed.
No bug fix releases! isn't that the new policy?

Why not at least add a list of post upgrade checks which the upgrader 
should do to verify the upgrade proper completion? and a list of manual
work around fixups to the release notes.
Yes that is an admission that the upgrade is imperfect. But surely it
is better than keeping quiet in hopes that the upgrader will not
encounter the problems.
Also it wouldn't be considered a bug fix release and so break the
new policy!

--
Rostyk
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Rostyslaw
8/14/2011 6:05:59 AM
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> MCBastos wrote:
>> Interviewed by CNN on 13/08/2011 14:43, Juiceman told the world:
>>> Its when I click the bookmark button I just get the new style bookmark
>>> manager, but my saved bookmark list dosnt show.
>> This was SUPPOSED to happen automatically on first run of SM 2.1 or
>> above, but as I said, sometimes it fails for still unknown reasons.
>
> But of course with 2.3 almost here,
> bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 or upgrade there-to will not be addressed.
> No bug fix releases! isn't that the new policy?

Correct.

> Why not at least add a list of post upgrade checks which the upgrader
> should do to verify the upgrade proper completion? and a list of manual
> work around fixups to the release notes.

Already exists, and is linked from the release notes:
<https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/2.1/FAQ>
(Until I come up with a better versioning scheme, the 2.1 FAQ applies to 
later versions, too.)

The above bookmarking issue is among those addressed there.

HTH

Jens

-- 
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SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker <http://smtt.blogspot.com/>
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Jens
8/14/2011 7:04:38 AM
David E. Ross wrote:

> I'm not sure what problem you are having with PDF.  I'm not having
> any problems with HTML Web pages that have links to PDF files.
> Depending on the MIME type associated with the files, they open
> either within my browser window or in an Adobe Reader window.

Mine seems to work fine, too, with the exception that the Acrobat.exe 
process (v. 8.3) sometimes doesn't terminate when I close a SM window 
containing a PDF. I notice a performance hit, open Task Manager, and 
force-close it, and that solves it.

-- 
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher

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Paul
8/14/2011 7:18:47 AM
On 13.08.2011 12:46, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> 
> 
> Jay Garcia wrote:
> 
>> If you don't like "tabs":
>> 
>> With only "new tab" displayed:
> 
> ...
> 
> Silly question, but how do I get only "new tab" displayed ?
> ** Phil.

In my SM, if I delete all of the tabs the one that remains says "new
tab" or when I start SM "new tab" is the only one displayed. You have to
have at least ONE tab in order to do what I mentioned.

-- 
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Jay
8/14/2011 11:30:43 AM
Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:52:34 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>
>> You can also just middle-click on tabs to close them.
>
> How would one simulate a middle-click with a 2-button mouse, Stanimir ?

I guess it depends on the mouse (or another pointing device), as 
others has suggested.  On my 2-button mouse, the mouse wheel acts as 
a 3rd middle button which could be clicked also.

-- 
Stanimir
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Stanimir
8/14/2011 11:58:49 AM
Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:43:29 -0700, /Juiceman/:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 8/13/11 9:34 AM, Juiceman wrote:
>>
>>> When I installed SM 2.2 my bookmarks are gone.
>>> I sure would like to see my bookmarks again.
>>> Any ideas how to fix this??
>>
>> When you say "my bookmarks are gone", do you mean you cannot find the
>> file bookmarks.html? Or do you mean that, when you go to the menu bar
>> and select [Bookmarks> Manage Bookmarks], the Bookmarks Manager
>> window shows no bookmarks?
>
> Its when I click the bookmark button I just get the new style
> bookmark manager, but my saved bookmark list dosnt show.

Juiceman, please try the suggestion David E. Ross made in another 
reply to this thread 
(<news://news.mozilla.org/P4mdneSIM9p-j9rTnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@mozilla.org>), 
for importing the SM 2.0 "bookmarks.html" file, and post back 
whether this has solved the problem for you.

Indicate if you don't know how to find your "bookmarks.html" file, 
also.  Otherwise it seems like you're ignoring the possible 
solutions given.

-- 
Stanimir
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Stanimir
8/14/2011 12:28:37 PM
Philip Chee wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:46:33 -0400, PhillipJones wrote:
>> Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can also just middle-click on tabs to close them.
>>>
>>> How would one simulate a middle-click with a 2-button mouse, Stanimir ?
>>> Philip Taylor
>>
>> How would you simulate Middle click with track pad built in a Laptop?
>
> I tap in the top right hand corner of the trackpad. First you might need
> to set up the correct tap zones in your trackpad configuration program.
>
> Phil
>

What would the "trackpad configuration program" be named on an HP/Compaq computer?

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Rick
8/14/2011 12:34:21 PM
On 8/14/2011 4:58 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:52:34 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
>> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>
>>> You can also just middle-click on tabs to close them.
>>
>> How would one simulate a middle-click with a 2-button mouse, Stanimir ?

Some 2-button mice can do it by simultaneously pressing both buttons - 
check your mouse setup parameters.

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flyguy
8/14/2011 7:58:31 PM
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb:
> But of course with 2.3 almost here,
> bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 or upgrade there-to will not be addressed.

Bullshit! The bug fixes will just be included in future releases. That 
is, if good bug fixes are found - for this bookmark importing problem, 
it's very hard to find one, because we don't even know the circumstances 
when the problem happens.

Robert Kaiser


-- 
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meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible 
arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the 
time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :)
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Robert
8/15/2011 2:03:04 PM
Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb:
>> But of course with 2.3 almost here,
>> bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 or upgrade there-to will not be addressed.
>
> Bullshit! The bug fixes will just be included in future releases. That
> is, if good bug fixes are found - for this bookmark importing problem,
> it's very hard to find one, because we don't even know the circumstances
> when the problem happens.
>
> Robert Kaiser
>
>
No, not Bullshit, but charging elephant shit :-)
Any person who is on say SM 2.2 and encounters bugs in that release,
will not be able to remain with the UI features of that release,
and just obtain fixes for the bugs/misfeatures in 2.2, without
needing to wait until some future SM 2?.x which will have new
mandatory features needing to be user debugged after the upgrade.
This 2?.x will of course, as happens with all new features code,
contain its own basket of fresh bugs.

How about changing the upgrade code by adding a programmed check for,
did the bookmark conversion happen? i.e.:
- Check the new bookmark data structure contents against the old
bookmark.html contents . If the conversion was faulty,
generate a debug dump report and send it to development central.
(some recording of circumstances might need to be saved at the start
of the process, on a contingency basis )
- Release this 'instrumented' code into the field.
Then you wouldn't have to wait for users to 'perhaps' report
the failures anecdotaly.

I believe that you would get faster results with this than by
reading, hunting in, the code, or with code walk throughs.
But Of course this would mean breaking the policy mandate of,
NO SPECIAL debugging/fix RELEASES.
-- 
Rostyk
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Rostyslaw
8/15/2011 5:31:54 PM
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb:
> How about changing the upgrade code by adding a programmed check for,
> did the bookmark conversion happen? i.e.:
> - Check the new bookmark data structure contents against the old
> bookmark.html contents . If the conversion was faulty,
> generate a debug dump report and send it to development central.
> (some recording of circumstances might need to be saved at the start
> of the process, on a contingency basis )

Feel free to write the code, as you already know how it works and how 
stupid the people implementing the current system were.

Robert Kaiser


-- 
Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never 
meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible 
arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the 
time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :)
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Robert
8/15/2011 8:25:17 PM
On 11-08-15 1:31 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb:
>>> But of course with 2.3 almost here,
>>> bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 or upgrade there-to will not be addressed.
>>
>> Bullshit! The bug fixes will just be included in future releases. That
>> is, if good bug fixes are found - for this bookmark importing problem,
>> it's very hard to find one, because we don't even know the circumstances
>> when the problem happens.
>
> No, not Bullshit, but charging elephant shit :-)
> Any person who is on say SM 2.2 and encounters bugs in that release,
> will not be able to remain with the UI features of that release,
> and just obtain fixes for the bugs/misfeatures in 2.2, without
> needing to wait until some future SM 2?.x which will have new
> mandatory features needing to be user debugged after the upgrade.
> This 2?.x will of course, as happens with all new features code,
> contain its own basket of fresh bugs.

That's not what you originally said. You said "with 2.3 almost here, 
bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 or upgrade there-to will not be addressed."
Just because there are UI changes, doesn't mean bugs in previous 
versions are not addressed.

-- 
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator
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Chris
8/15/2011 9:13:56 PM
Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 11-08-15 1:31 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
>> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>>> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb:
>>>> But of course with 2.3 almost here,
>>>> bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 or upgrade there-to will not be addressed.
>>>
>>> Bullshit! The bug fixes will just be included in future releases. That
>>> is, if good bug fixes are found - for this bookmark importing problem,
>>> it's very hard to find one, because we don't even know the circumstances
>>> when the problem happens.
>>
>> No, not Bullshit, but charging elephant shit :-)
>> Any person who is on say SM 2.2 and encounters bugs in that release,
>> will not be able to remain with the UI features of that release,
>> and just obtain fixes for the bugs/misfeatures in 2.2, without
>> needing to wait until some future SM 2?.x which will have new
>> mandatory features needing to be user debugged after the upgrade.
>> This 2?.x will of course, as happens with all new features code,
>> contain its own basket of fresh bugs.
>
> That's not what you originally said. You said "with 2.3 almost here,
> bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 or upgrade there-to will not be addressed."
> Just because there are UI changes, doesn't mean bugs in previous
> versions are not addressed.
>
Master Ilias,
I wrote " bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 *or upgrade there-to* ..."
So master Ilias, you claim that problems with upgrading from say
SM 2.0.14 to SM 2.2 will be addressed in a later/future SM release?
Would you care to explain how you expect that to work?

Also do you claim to dispute what I write in " Any person who is on
say SM 2.2 ... its own basket of fresh bugs."

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Rostyslaw
8/16/2011 5:46:11 AM
On 11-08-16 1:46 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> Chris Ilias wrote:
>
>> That's not what you originally said. You said "with 2.3 almost here,
>> bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 or upgrade there-to will not be addressed."
>> Just because there are UI changes, doesn't mean bugs in previous
>> versions are not addressed.
>
> Master Ilias,

I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate by referring to me as 
"Master Ilias", but if it's a sarcastic insult, that kind of treatment 
is not allowed. See 
<http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html>. Remember that 
we're all people. Be nice.

> I wrote " bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 *or upgrade there-to* ..."
> So master Ilias, you claim that problems with upgrading from say
> SM 2.0.14 to SM 2.2 will be addressed in a later/future SM release?
> Would you care to explain how you expect that to work?
>
> Also do you claim to dispute what I write in " Any person who is on
> say SM 2.2 ... its own basket of fresh bugs."

If there's a bug regard to updating from from 2.0.x to 2.2 that doesn't 
exist when updating from 2.0.x to 2.3, then I think the bug is no longer 
valid, because the update mechanism (I think) will bypass 2.2 after 2.3 
is released (i.e. 2.0.x user will be offered 2.3). Justin, is that right?

-- 
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
Newsgroup moderator
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Chris
8/16/2011 6:04:46 AM

Chris Ilias wrote:

> On 11-08-16 1:46 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
>> Chris Ilias wrote:
>>
>>> That's not what you originally said. You said "with 2.3 almost here,
>>> bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 or upgrade there-to will not be addressed."
>>> Just because there are UI changes, doesn't mean bugs in previous
>>> versions are not addressed.
>>
>> Master Ilias,
>
> I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate by referring to me as "Master Ilias",
but if it's a sarcastic insult, that kind of treatment is not allowed.
See <http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html>.
Remember that we're all people. Be nice.

Chris, I notice that you find fault with Rostyslaw Lewyckyj's use of
"Master Ilias" (which I personally read as indicating great respect,
as in Kitagawa-sama v. Kitagawa-san), yet allow to pass without
comment an earlier, clearly sarcastic, response :

[an earlier contributor] wrote:

>> Feel free to write the code, as you already know how it works
>> and how stupid the people implementing the current system were.

I am sure it is not your aim, but to people new to the list such
as myself, this would appear to indicate either bias or favouritism
in your response, just as did your earlier deletion of a message
from Phillip M. Jones simply because you viewed its contents as
containing misinformation ("Firefox running itself into the ground,
and Mozilla demanding the SeaMonkey council what to do.").  Phillip
may well have been misinformed, but any reasonable person reading his
contribution would have understood immediately that the views stated
were his personal opinion and not asserted as established facts.

Philip Taylor.
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Philip
8/16/2011 8:52:32 AM
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb:
> [an earlier contributor] wrote:
>
>>> Feel free to write the code, as you already know how it works
>>> and how stupid the people implementing the current system were.

And if he insulted anyone with that, he insulted himself, among others. 
I hope that is not completely forbidden. I know how stupid people think 
I am.

Robert Kaiser


-- 
Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never 
meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible 
arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the 
time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :)
0
Robert
8/16/2011 2:43:05 PM
Chris Ilias wrote:
>> I wrote " bugs with 2.1 or 2.2 *or upgrade there-to* ..."
>> So master Ilias, you claim that problems with upgrading from say
>> SM 2.0.14 to SM 2.2 will be addressed in a later/future SM release?
>> Would you care to explain how you expect that to work?
>>
>> Also do you claim to dispute what I write in " Any person who is on
>> say SM 2.2 ... its own basket of fresh bugs."
>
> If there's a bug regard to updating from from 2.0.x to 2.2 that doesn't
> exist when updating from 2.0.x to 2.3, then I think the bug is no longer
> valid, because the update mechanism (I think) will bypass 2.2 after 2.3
> is released (i.e. 2.0.x user will be offered 2.3). Justin, is that right?

There are two things at play here.

1) Bugs that exist in 2.2 may (and many are) be fixed in SeaMonkey 2.3
2) Bugs that exist only from upgrading to 2.2 and will not be fixed 
magically when you migrate 2.2->2.3

The latter is what I'll address since it was your specific Question.

At present we don't have a codepath setup to upgrade users from 2.0 to 
2.3, but we are close. I expect within the next 2 weeks I'll have that 
upgrade available. In the mean time, 2.0 will still be upgraded to 2.2 
and then to 2.3.

-- 
~Justin Wood (Callek)
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Justin
8/16/2011 3:14:51 PM
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> In the mean time, 2.0 will still be upgraded to 2.2
> and then to 2.3.
>
In one continuous process, or with separate user requests?

Larry
0
Larry
8/16/2011 3:28:42 PM
Larry wrote:
> Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>> In the mean time, 2.0 will still be upgraded to 2.2
>> and then to 2.3.
>>
> In one continuous process, or with separate user requests?

Separate user requests, sadly.

-- 
~Justin Wood (Callek)

0
Justin
8/16/2011 5:23:10 PM
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