"m.s.seamonkey " vs. n.p.m.seamonkey" forums??

How does this forum differ from "netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey"-forum?

Why is there to on the apparently same application?
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Trombastic
4/26/2006 4:26:07 PM
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_Trombastic_ spoke thusly on 26/04/2006 12:26 PM:
> How does this forum differ from "netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey"-forum?
> 
> Why is there to on the apparently same application?

When the Mozilla project began, it was created by Netscape as a 
development project, with no intent to market 'Mozilla' to end-users. 
Newsgroups were created in the netscape.public.* hierarchy, for Mozilla 
contributors. 'Seamonkey' was the name used for the program code that 
made up the Mozilla Application Suite; and that's what 
netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey was for.
See:
<http://web.archive.org/web/20041010175725/http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html#project-forums>
<http://web.archive.org/web/20041010160932/http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/>


This group is for user support discussion regarding the SeaMonkey product.
<http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/news.html#2005-07-02>
<http://www.mozilla.org/community/giganews-migration.html>
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Chris
4/26/2006 9:43:41 PM
Trombastic wrote:
> How does this forum differ from 
> "netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey"-forum?
>
> Why is there to on the apparently same application?


This group   mozilla.support.seamonkey   supercedes the former 
netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey  group in essence.


the old group was originally a developer group
the new group is essentially a user to user support group


use this group (n.s.sm)
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Moz
4/26/2006 10:29:08 PM
_Moz Champion (Dan)_ spoke thusly on 26/04/2006 6:29 PM:
> This group   mozilla.support.seamonkey   supercedes the former 
> netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey  group in essence.

Technically, mozilla.dev.planning superseded 
netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey. See:
<http://groups.google.com/group/netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey/msg/8f0df776583c5587>
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Chris
4/27/2006 6:06:27 AM
Chris Ilias wrote:

> _Moz Champion (Dan)_ spoke thusly on 26/04/2006 6:29 PM:
> 
>>This group   mozilla.support.seamonkey   supercedes the former 
>>netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey  group in essence.
> 
> 
> Technically, mozilla.dev.planning superseded 
> netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey. See:
> <http://groups.google.com/group/netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey/msg/8f0df776583c5587>
Thats right, because netscape.mozilla.user.general or 
netscape.mozilla.user.win32 (or mac, or unix) from the secnews server 
is replaced by mozilla.support.seamonkey

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gwtc
4/27/2006 6:19:11 AM
Thanks for sorting out the difference. Being a newbie to Mozilla forums 
I was a bit confused seeing them both being active.

Anyway, you might have seen a couple of versions of this subject in your 
inbox since yesterday - After posting it I did a "cancel message"; first 
because of misspellings, then b.c I found out about the reorganization 
of the forums a few moments later :-[ - not realizing it stays in your 
inbox anyhow.

I just thought, to clean up the forum for future visitors, if you could 
please cancel those other two you replied to;
Re: "m.s.seamonkey " vs. n.p.m.seamonkey" forums?? by Chris;
and
Re: "Mozilla seamonkey forum" vs. "Netscape seamonkey forum" by "gwtc".

That would be great! Cheers!

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/trombastic
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Trombastic
4/27/2006 10:24:11 AM
Trombastic wrote:
> Thanks for sorting out the difference. Being a newbie to Mozilla forums 
> I was a bit confused seeing them both being active.
> 
> Anyway, you might have seen a couple of versions of this subject in your 
> inbox since yesterday - After posting it I did a "cancel message"; first 
> because of misspellings, then b.c I found out about the reorganization 
> of the forums a few moments later :-[ - not realizing it stays in your 
> inbox anyhow.
> 
> I just thought, to clean up the forum for future visitors, if you could 
> please cancel those other two you replied to;
> Re: "m.s.seamonkey " vs. n.p.m.seamonkey" forums?? by Chris;
> and
> Re: "Mozilla seamonkey forum" vs. "Netscape seamonkey forum" by "gwtc".
> 
> That would be great! Cheers!
> 
You can cancel your own messages, however, it only cancels it from 
your end.  The whole world still sees them

As far as others canceling those messages, nobody can cancel them from 
the news.mozilla.org servers.

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gwtc
4/27/2006 11:19:27 AM
gwtc wrote:

> You can cancel your own messages, however, it only cancels it from your 
> end.  The whole world still sees them
> 
> As far as others canceling those messages, nobody can cancel them from 
> the news.mozilla.org servers.

Are you saying that if I cancel a message written by me, it will stay on 
the message tree? Hmm... I believed it disappeared for new subscribers!

So! what's the meaning of canceling messages if it still stays on the 
newsgroup?

/trombastic
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Trombastic
4/27/2006 11:47:38 AM
Trombastic wrote:

> gwtc wrote:
> 
> 
>>You can cancel your own messages, however, it only cancels it from your 
>>end.  The whole world still sees them
>>
>>As far as others canceling those messages, nobody can cancel them from 
>>the news.mozilla.org servers.
> 
> 
> Are you saying that if I cancel a message written by me, it will stay on 
> the message tree? Hmm... I believed it disappeared for new subscribers!
> 
> So! what's the meaning of canceling messages if it still stays on the 
> newsgroup?
> 
> /trombastic
I said that its removed from your end, but the whole world still sees 
it, just you won't.

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gwtc
4/27/2006 12:03:00 PM
>> Trombastic wrote:
>> Are you saying that if I cancel a message written by me, it will stay 
>> on the message tree? Hmm... I believed it disappeared for new 
>> subscribers!
>>
>> So! what's the meaning of canceling messages if it still stays on the 
>> newsgroup?
>>
>> /trombastic

 > gwtc wrote:
> I said that its removed from your end, but the whole world still sees 
> it, just you won't.

I still don't understand the point in being able to cancel a message if 
it only is removed from my end - no hard feelings.

Here what I tried instead:
I logged into Google Groups and opened this group; clicked on my first 
post then: show options/remove. Another window opens:

	Are you sure you wish to remove this message?
	It will not be recoverable after it is removed.

	The message will be removed immediately from this group's online 
archive, and it will no longer show up in search results.

Then I chose confirm.

Surely, this must delete it!

-- 
Regards
/trombastic
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Trombastic
4/27/2006 12:18:33 PM
Trombastic wrote:

>>>Trombastic wrote:
>>>Are you saying that if I cancel a message written by me, it will stay 
>>>on the message tree? Hmm... I believed it disappeared for new 
>>>subscribers!
>>>
>>>So! what's the meaning of canceling messages if it still stays on the 
>>>newsgroup?
>>>
>>>/trombastic
> 
> 
>  > gwtc wrote:
> 
>>I said that its removed from your end, but the whole world still sees 
>>it, just you won't.
> 
> 
> I still don't understand the point in being able to cancel a message if 
> it only is removed from my end - no hard feelings.
> 
> Here what I tried instead:
> I logged into Google Groups and opened this group; clicked on my first 
> post then: show options/remove. Another window opens:
> 
> 	Are you sure you wish to remove this message?
> 	It will not be recoverable after it is removed.
> 
> 	The message will be removed immediately from this group's online 
> archive, and it will no longer show up in search results.
> 
> Then I chose confirm.
> 
> Surely, this must delete it!
> 
OK, we're talking about two different things.  You're talking about 
googlegroups whereas I was talking about using the mail/news 
application of Seamonkey.  If you're accessing this newsgroup via the 
news.mozilla.org server, then you cannot delete messages.  The 
messages will be deleted from your view, but not officially from the 
server.

I don't know how googlegroups works.  I presume that is another kettle 
of fish and either Gerv or Dave (the decission makers of the mozilla 
server) or one of the Mozilla Champs, can explain it.  Can 
googlegroups cancel or remove messages posted to the mozilla news server?

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gwtc
4/27/2006 3:57:38 PM
gwtc wrote:
> Trombastic wrote:
>
>>>> Trombastic wrote:
>>>> Are you saying that if I cancel a message written by me, it will 
>>>> stay on the message tree? Hmm... I believed it disappeared for new 
>>>> subscribers!
>>>>
>>>> So! what's the meaning of canceling messages if it still stays on 
>>>> the newsgroup?
>>>>
>>>> /trombastic
>>
>>
>>  > gwtc wrote:
>>
>>> I said that its removed from your end, but the whole world still 
>>> sees it, just you won't.
>>
>>
>> I still don't understand the point in being able to cancel a message 
>> if it only is removed from my end - no hard feelings.
>>
>> Here what I tried instead:
>> I logged into Google Groups and opened this group; clicked on my 
>> first post then: show options/remove. Another window opens:
>>
>>     Are you sure you wish to remove this message?
>>     It will not be recoverable after it is removed.
>>
>>     The message will be removed immediately from this group's online 
>> archive, and it will no longer show up in search results.
>>
>> Then I chose confirm.
>>
>> Surely, this must delete it!
>>
> OK, we're talking about two different things.  You're talking about 
> googlegroups whereas I was talking about using the mail/news 
> application of Seamonkey.  If you're accessing this newsgroup via the 
> news.mozilla.org server, then you cannot delete messages.  The 
> messages will be deleted from your view, but not officially from the 
> server.
>
> I don't know how googlegroups works.  I presume that is another kettle 
> of fish and either Gerv or Dave (the decission makers of the mozilla 
> server) or one of the Mozilla Champs, can explain it.  Can 
> googlegroups cancel or remove messages posted to the mozilla news server?
>
Not all news servers support cancels in any case.  Some do, some dont, 
there is no 'standard'

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Moz
4/27/2006 5:29:15 PM
 > gwtc wrote:
 >> Can googlegroups cancel or remove messages posted to the mozilla 
news >> server?

Yes, apparently it can. I've done it before and did it earlier today - 
and on a revisit - they're still gone. ;)

You see, I thought this also applied to the SM appl when you 
right-click/cancel message - but now I know it doesn't. :)

Cheers!
/trombastic

Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
 > gwtc wrote:
 >> Trombastic wrote:
 >>
 >>>>> Trombastic wrote:
 >>>>> Are you saying that if I cancel a message written by me, it will
 >>>>> stay on the message tree? Hmm... I believed it disappeared for new
 >>>>> subscribers!
 >>>>>
 >>>>> So! what's the meaning of canceling messages if it still stays on
 >>>>> the newsgroup?
 >>>>>
 >>>>> /trombastic
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>  > gwtc wrote:
 >>>
 >>>> I said that its removed from your end, but the whole world still
 >>>> sees it, just you won't.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> I still don't understand the point in being able to cancel a message
 >>> if it only is removed from my end - no hard feelings.
 >>>
 >>> Here what I tried instead:
 >>> I logged into Google Groups and opened this group; clicked on my
 >>> first post then: show options/remove. Another window opens:
 >>>
 >>>     Are you sure you wish to remove this message?
 >>>     It will not be recoverable after it is removed.
 >>>
 >>>     The message will be removed immediately from this group's online
 >>> archive, and it will no longer show up in search results.
 >>>
 >>> Then I chose confirm.
 >>>
 >>> Surely, this must delete it!
 >>>
 >> OK, we're talking about two different things.  You're talking about
 >> googlegroups whereas I was talking about using the mail/news
 >> application of Seamonkey.  If you're accessing this newsgroup via the
 >> news.mozilla.org server, then you cannot delete messages.  The
 >> messages will be deleted from your view, but not officially from the
 >> server.
 >>
 >> I don't know how googlegroups works.  I presume that is another kettle
 >> of fish and either Gerv or Dave (the decission makers of the mozilla
 >> server) or one of the Mozilla Champs, can explain it. Can
 >> googlegroups cancel or remove messages posted to the mozilla news 
server?
 >>
 > Not all news servers support cancels in any case.  Some do, some dont,
 > there is no 'standard'
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Trombastic
4/27/2006 6:15:39 PM
_Trombastic_ spoke thusly on 27/04/2006 2:15 PM:
>  > gwtc wrote:
>  >> Can googlegroups cancel or remove messages posted to the mozilla 
> news >> server?
> 
> Yes, apparently it can. I've done it before and did it earlier today - 
> and on a revisit - they're still gone. ;)
> 
> You see, I thought this also applied to the SM appl when you 
> right-click/cancel message - but now I know it doesn't. :)

This server doesn't honour message cancels. Posts from Google stay on 
this server, regardless if you've cancelled via Google or your newsreader.

There is a bug in the core code that removes your post right away when 
you send a cancel message, rather than waiting for confirmation from the 
server.
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Chris
4/27/2006 8:44:29 PM
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