Why does windows firefox have DIFFERENT menus than linux firefox?

Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while 
the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?

Why, for the same version number, are they so different?
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hanson
7/23/2015 8:52:49 PM
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hanson wrote:

> Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while
> the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
> 
> Why, for the same version number, are they so different?

The example you state has been the de facto standard for applications in 
those two operating systems for decades. Nothing more than that. Not just 
in Firefox, either; it's that way in many types of programs.

In my opinion, it's not much of a difference.

-- 
   -bts
   -This space for rent, but the price is high
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Beauregard
7/23/2015 9:11:40 PM
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:52:49 -0500, hanson <hanson@quick.net> wrote:

>Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while 
>the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
>
>Why, for the same version number, are they so different?

Because the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

Different programmers for very different OS's.


KenW
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Ken1943
7/23/2015 9:16:42 PM
On 7/23/2015 4:52 PM, hanson wrote:
> Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while
> the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
>
> Why, for the same version number, are they so different?
>

They are the conventions used by the different operating systems when 
accessing Options in the applications running on them.

Dave Pyles

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Dave
7/23/2015 9:21:10 PM
On 2015-07-23 5:16 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:52:49 -0500, hanson <hanson@quick.net> wrote:
>
>> Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while
>> the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
>>
>> Why, for the same version number, are they so different?
>
> Because the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
>
> Different programmers for very different OS's.

* There are programmers that work on all operating systems as well as 
programmers that work on specific ones.

* Having different menu locations names for options/preferences is very 
much intentional. For instance, the Apple human interface guidelines 
dictates that it be in the app menu 
<https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/MenuBarMenus.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20000957-CH29-SW3>.

Please don't spread misinformation about Firefox development. Even if 
you're being sarcastic or voicing an opinion, it is very dangerous, 
because new community members will interpret it as fact.

-- 
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator
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Chris
7/24/2015 12:10:32 AM
On 2015-07-23 4:52 PM, hanson wrote:
> Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while
> the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
>
> Why, for the same version number, are they so different?

Different OSs have different standards and conventions for these things. 
History and "branding" are the reasons.

It would be nice if all GUIs were exactly the same, but without external 
pressure (ISO, anybody?) it ain't gonna happen.

Have a good day,

-- 
Best,
Wolf K.
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca
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Wolf
7/24/2015 12:49:32 PM
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:49:32 -0400
"Wolf K." <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2015-07-23 4:52 PM, hanson wrote:
> > Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options,
> > while the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
> >
> > Why, for the same version number, are they so different?
> 
> Different OSs have different standards and conventions for these
> things. History and "branding" are the reasons.
> 
> It would be nice if all GUIs were exactly the same, but without
> external pressure (ISO, anybody?) it ain't gonna happen.
> 

As in most things, there are exceptions but only the one that I've
found so far. LibreOffice in Linux has "options" under "tools".

Must say that I've never understood what "preferences" have to do with
"edit". "Tools - options" seems much more logical but it seems Linux,
for the most part, is stuck with the illogical version.

-- 
Graham Davis, UK
User of Mozillarish stuff since Netscape 1.2N.
Running on KDE 4.14.9, openSUSE 13.2. 
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Graham
7/25/2015 10:17:35 AM
On 25/07/15 11:17, Graham P Davis wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:49:32 -0400
> "Wolf K." <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-07-23 4:52 PM, hanson wrote:
>>> Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options,
>>> while the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
>>>
>>> Why, for the same version number, are they so different?
>>
>> Different OSs have different standards and conventions for these
>> things. History and "branding" are the reasons.
>>
>> It would be nice if all GUIs were exactly the same, but without
>> external pressure (ISO, anybody?) it ain't gonna happen.
>>
>
> As in most things, there are exceptions but only the one that I've
> found so far. LibreOffice in Linux has "options" under "tools".
>
> Must say that I've never understood what "preferences" have to do with
> "edit". "Tools - options" seems much more logical but it seems Linux,
> for the most part, is stuck with the illogical version.
>

Are options a "tool"? Whether options or preferences, you edit them to 
set your preferred options!!

-- 
PeeGee

"Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the 
knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able 
to be removed from a computer easily."
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PeeGee
7/25/2015 6:51:46 PM
On 07/23/2015 01:52 PM, hanson wrote:
> Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while
> the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
>
> Why, for the same version number, are they so different?
>

Hi Hanson,

Because Mozilla hasn't found anyone willing to fix it.  I reported
the problem on

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877040

Note the date when I reported it:  2013-05-28 20:08:01 PDT

The bug is over two years old.

Since I support both Windows and Linux, I get a little tired
of "Where's Waldo" when look for or coaching my customer
to find Preferences.

If this drives you crazy too, please sign up and vote for
the bug.

-T
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T
7/25/2015 10:48:19 PM
On 07/25/2015 03:48 PM, T wrote:
> On 07/23/2015 01:52 PM, hanson wrote:
>> Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while
>> the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
>>
>> Why, for the same version number, are they so different?
>>
>
> Hi Hanson,
>
> Because Mozilla hasn't found anyone willing to fix it.  I reported
> the problem on
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877040
>
> Note the date when I reported it:  2013-05-28 20:08:01 PDT
>
> The bug is over two years old.
>
> Since I support both Windows and Linux, I get a little tired
> of "Where's Waldo" when look for or coaching my customer
> to find Preferences.
>
> If this drives you crazy too, please sign up and vote for
> the bug.
>
> -T

My bug has since been moved to

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245862

And marked invalid.  They think they are following conventions
of the OS, which is a bad argument.  You would be following
the conventions of the GUI, not the OS, and Linux
has a bazillion GUI's

They are only causing confusion.

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T
7/25/2015 10:51:42 PM
-------- Original Message --------
> On 2015-07-23 5:16 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:52:49 -0500, hanson <hanson@quick.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while
>>> the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
>>>
>>> Why, for the same version number, are they so different?
>>
>> Because the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
>>
>> Different programmers for very different OS's.
>
> * There are programmers that work on all operating systems as well as
> programmers that work on specific ones.
>
> * Having different menu locations names for options/preferences is very
> much intentional. For instance, the Apple human interface guidelines
> dictates that it be in the app menu
> <https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/MenuBarMenus.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20000957-CH29-SW3>.
>
> Please don't spread misinformation about Firefox development. Even if
> you're being sarcastic or voicing an opinion, it is very dangerous,
> because new community members will interpret it as fact.
>
Some opinions are genuinely dangerous. That's not one of them.
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Roger
7/25/2015 11:57:50 PM
On 2015-07-25 6:48 PM, T wrote:
> Since I support both Windows and Linux, I get a little tired
> of "Where's Waldo" when look for or coaching my customer
> to find Preferences.

If you can't remember how to find Preferences via the menu bar, you can 
point users to the menu button on the right side of the toolbar.

As others have said, those locations are OS standards, so if you want to 
file a complaint, it's better to file it with the people who make the 
operating systems.

-- 
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator
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Chris
7/26/2015 12:29:15 AM

    
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T
7/26/2015 8:26:06 AM
On 07/26/2015 01:26 AM, T wrote:
> PDF Creator

Ooops.  PDF Studio
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T
7/26/2015 10:50:02 AM
On 2015-07-26 4:26 AM, T wrote:
> On 07/25/2015 05:29 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 2015-07-25 6:48 PM, T wrote:
>>> Since I support both Windows and Linux, I get a little tired
>>> of "Where's Waldo" when look for or coaching my customer
>>> to find Preferences.
>>
>> If you can't remember how to find Preferences via the menu bar, you can
>> point users to the menu button on the right side of the toolbar.
>
> Good idea.  I have got to start using that.

It should also be noted that the menu bar is not displayed by default, 
except on Mac, so any instructions that involve the menu bar should 
include showing the menu bar.

-- 
Chris Ilias <http://ilias.ca>
Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator
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Chris
7/26/2015 4:55:13 PM
On 07/26/2015 09:55 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 2015-07-26 4:26 AM, T wrote:
>> On 07/25/2015 05:29 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
>>> On 2015-07-25 6:48 PM, T wrote:
>>>> Since I support both Windows and Linux, I get a little tired
>>>> of "Where's Waldo" when look for or coaching my customer
>>>> to find Preferences.
>>>
>>> If you can't remember how to find Preferences via the menu bar, you can
>>> point users to the menu button on the right side of the toolbar.
>>
>> Good idea.  I have got to start using that.
>
> It should also be noted that the menu bar is not displayed by default,
> except on Mac, so any instructions that involve the menu bar should
> include showing the menu bar.
>

  I usually turn the menu bar back on.  Probably why I ignore
the hamburger icon.
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T
7/26/2015 8:42:32 PM
In article
<mailman.3375.1437943385.14172.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>,
   T <ToddMargoChester@invalid.invalid> wrote:

[Snippy]
>   I usually turn the menu bar back on.  Probably why I ignore
> the hamburger icon.

Excellent... As would any serious user, then add a drop of CTR (Classic
Theme Restorer) and suddenly you have a usable browser.  :-)

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid
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Dave
7/27/2015 6:10:10 AM
hanson wrote:
> Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while
> the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
>
> Why, for the same version number, are they so different?
>
Mac OS versions use Firefox > Preferences.  Different platforms treat 
menus differently.  For Mac OS, at least, putting preferences in the 
menu with the name of the application is standard.

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EE
8/4/2015 6:53:04 PM
T wrote:
> On 07/23/2015 01:52 PM, hanson wrote:
>> Why does the Windows firefox have, for example, Tools -> Options, while
>> the Linux firefox has, for example, Edit -> Preferences?
>>
>> Why, for the same version number, are they so different?
>>
>
> Hi Hanson,
>
> Because Mozilla hasn't found anyone willing to fix it.  I reported
> the problem on
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877040
>
> Note the date when I reported it:  2013-05-28 20:08:01 PDT
>
> The bug is over two years old.
>
> Since I support both Windows and Linux, I get a little tired
> of "Where's Waldo" when look for or coaching my customer
> to find Preferences.
>
> If this drives you crazy too, please sign up and vote for
> the bug.
>
> -T

It is not a bug.  Finding things in a menu bar is pretty simple anyway. 
  Just keep pulling down menus until you find them.

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EE
8/4/2015 6:57:37 PM
In article
<mailman.4142.1438714690.14172.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>,
   EE <nunya@bees.wax> wrote:

[Snippy]
> It is not a bug.  Finding things in a menu bar is pretty simple anyway. 
>   Just keep pulling down menus until you find them.

But in its default supplied state now, Fx doesn't have a menu bar.

Dave

-- 


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Dave
8/4/2015 8:50:34 PM
Dave Symes wrote:
> In article
> <mailman.4142.1438714690.14172.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>,
>     EE <nunya@bees.wax> wrote:
>
> [Snippy]
>> It is not a bug.  Finding things in a menu bar is pretty simple anyway.
>>    Just keep pulling down menus until you find them.
>
> But in its default supplied state now, Fx doesn't have a menu bar.
>
> Dave
>
All you need to do is press the Alt key to see it.

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EE
8/5/2015 8:15:05 PM
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