Problems for a disabled user

My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
invisible to her.

Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
different colours.

She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
Wheezy.

Thanks,

Brian.

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On 06/01/2018 17:40, Brian wrote:
>
> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
> different colours.
>

This is generally for the style sheet of the site to fix it.  Have you 
tried to disable the styles to see if it helps?  To do this, go to:

View >> Page Style >> No Style

See this picture:

https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png <https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png>

This will remove all styles so the page will be very basic but the 
functionalities will continue to work.

If this doesn't help then you'll need to contact the webmaster of the 
site and explain to him/her that their website doesn't conform to 
accessibility standards.


>


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    This is generally for the style sheet of the site to fix it.  Have
    you tried to disable the styles to see if it helps?  To do this, go
    to:<br>
    <br>
    View &gt;&gt; Page Style &gt;&gt; No Style<br>
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    This will remove all styles so the page will be very basic but the
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    the site and explain to him/her that their website doesn't conform
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Good
1/6/2018 8:41:22 PM
On 01/06/2018 03:41 PM, Good Guy wrote:
> On 06/01/2018 17:40, Brian wrote:
>>
>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>> different colours.
>>
> 
> This is generally for the style sheet of the site to fix it.  Have you
> tried to disable the styles to see if it helps?  To do this, go to:
> 
> View >> Page Style >> No Style
> 
> See this picture:
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png <https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png>
> 
> This will remove all styles so the page will be very basic but the
> functionalities will continue to work.
> 
> If this doesn't help then you'll need to contact the webmaster of the
> site and explain to him/her that their website doesn't conform to
> accessibility standards.
> 
>

Thanks, but it's a general problem, not just a single website.


Brian.
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Brian
1/6/2018 10:48:17 PM
On 01/06/2018 03:41 PM, Good Guy wrote:
> On 06/01/2018 17:40, Brian wrote:
>>
>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>> different colours.
>>
> 
> This is generally for the style sheet of the site to fix it.  Have you
> tried to disable the styles to see if it helps?  To do this, go to:
> 
> View >> Page Style >> No Style
> 
> See this picture:
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png <https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png>
> 
> This will remove all styles so the page will be very basic but the
> functionalities will continue to work.
> 
> If this doesn't help then you'll need to contact the webmaster of the
> site and explain to him/her that their website doesn't conform to
> accessibility standards.
> 
>

Thanks, but it's a general problem, not just a single website.


Brian.
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Brian
1/6/2018 10:48:17 PM
On 1/6/18 5:48 PM, Brian wrote:
> On 01/06/2018 03:41 PM, Good Guy wrote:
>> On 06/01/2018 17:40, Brian wrote:
>>>
>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>> different colours.
>>>
>>
>> This is generally for the style sheet of the site to fix it.  Have you
>> tried to disable the styles to see if it helps?  To do this, go to:
>>
>> View >> Page Style >> No Style
>>
>> See this picture:
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png <https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png>
>>
>> This will remove all styles so the page will be very basic but the
>> functionalities will continue to work.
>>
>> If this doesn't help then you'll need to contact the webmaster of the
>> site and explain to him/her that their website doesn't conform to
>> accessibility standards.
>>
>>
> 
> Thanks, but it's a general problem, not just a single website.
> 
> 
> Brian.
Have you tried it ? Did it help with the problem ? If it did, then 
leave the browser set to "No Style", and all sites visited will appear 
as text only.

Or only select "No Style" as needed for a sites you are having trouble 
with. And set it back to Basic when done.

FWIW, on my FireFox, set for "No Style", the lite grey boxes changed 
to a wider, darker blue when selected for filling in with text.

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Reed
1/6/2018 11:12:06 PM
On 01/06/2018 06:12 PM, Reed wrote:
> On 1/6/18 5:48 PM, Brian wrote:
>> On 01/06/2018 03:41 PM, Good Guy wrote:
>>> On 06/01/2018 17:40, Brian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>> different colours.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is generally for the style sheet of the site to fix it.  Have you
>>> tried to disable the styles to see if it helps?  To do this, go to:
>>>
>>> View >> Page Style >> No Style
>>>
>>> See this picture:
>>>
>>> https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png <https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png>
>>>
>>> This will remove all styles so the page will be very basic but the
>>> functionalities will continue to work.
>>>
>>> If this doesn't help then you'll need to contact the webmaster of the
>>> site and explain to him/her that their website doesn't conform to
>>> accessibility standards.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, but it's a general problem, not just a single website.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
> Have you tried it ? Did it help with the problem ? 

No, I've not tried it, but that's because what GoodGuy said seemed to
suggest that he was considering a problem with a specific website,
whereas it's a problem with ALL the websites where my wife has to
enter anything. I'll get her to try it out tomorrow. She's not going
to be happy with having to switch back and forth, I know that now. I
think I see a lot of installing and uninstalling different browsers in
my immediate future. :(

> If it did, then
> leave the browser set to "No Style", and all sites visited will appear
> as text only.
> 
> Or only select "No Style" as needed for a sites you are having trouble
> with. And set it back to Basic when done.
> 
> FWIW, on my FireFox, set for "No Style", the lite grey boxes changed
> to a wider, darker blue when selected for filling in with text.
> 
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> support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org
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Brian
1/7/2018 12:29:33 AM
On 01/06/2018 06:12 PM, Reed wrote:
> On 1/6/18 5:48 PM, Brian wrote:
>> On 01/06/2018 03:41 PM, Good Guy wrote:
>>> On 06/01/2018 17:40, Brian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>> different colours.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is generally for the style sheet of the site to fix it.  Have you
>>> tried to disable the styles to see if it helps?  To do this, go to:
>>>
>>> View >> Page Style >> No Style
>>>
>>> See this picture:
>>>
>>> https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png <https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png>
>>>
>>> This will remove all styles so the page will be very basic but the
>>> functionalities will continue to work.
>>>
>>> If this doesn't help then you'll need to contact the webmaster of the
>>> site and explain to him/her that their website doesn't conform to
>>> accessibility standards.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, but it's a general problem, not just a single website.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
> Have you tried it ? Did it help with the problem ? 

No, I've not tried it, but that's because what GoodGuy said seemed to
suggest that he was considering a problem with a specific website,
whereas it's a problem with ALL the websites where my wife has to
enter anything. I'll get her to try it out tomorrow. She's not going
to be happy with having to switch back and forth, I know that now. I
think I see a lot of installing and uninstalling different browsers in
my immediate future. :(

> If it did, then
> leave the browser set to "No Style", and all sites visited will appear
> as text only.
> 
> Or only select "No Style" as needed for a sites you are having trouble
> with. And set it back to Basic when done.
> 
> FWIW, on my FireFox, set for "No Style", the lite grey boxes changed
> to a wider, darker blue when selected for filling in with text.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> support-firefox mailing list
> support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org
> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-firefox
> To unsubscribe, send an email to
> support-firefox-request@lists.mozilla.org?subject=unsubscribe

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Brian
1/7/2018 12:29:33 AM
On 1/6/2018 7:29 PM, Brian wrote:
> On 01/06/2018 06:12 PM, Reed wrote:
>> On 1/6/18 5:48 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On 01/06/2018 03:41 PM, Good Guy wrote:
>>>> On 06/01/2018 17:40, Brian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>>> different colours.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is generally for the style sheet of the site to fix it.  Have you
>>>> tried to disable the styles to see if it helps?  To do this, go to:
>>>>
>>>> View >> Page Style >> No Style
>>>>
>>>> See this picture:
>>>>
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png <https://i.imgur.com/Z4QaMlM.png>
>>>>
>>>> This will remove all styles so the page will be very basic but the
>>>> functionalities will continue to work.
>>>>
>>>> If this doesn't help then you'll need to contact the webmaster of the
>>>> site and explain to him/her that their website doesn't conform to
>>>> accessibility standards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, but it's a general problem, not just a single website.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian.
>> Have you tried it ? Did it help with the problem ?
> 
> No, I've not tried it, but that's because what GoodGuy said seemed to
> suggest that he was considering a problem with a specific website,
> whereas it's a problem with ALL the websites where my wife has to
> enter anything. I'll get her to try it out tomorrow. She's not going
> to be happy with having to switch back and forth, I know that now. I
> think I see a lot of installing and uninstalling different browsers in
> my immediate future. :(
> 
>> If it did, then
>> leave the browser set to "No Style", and all sites visited will appear
>> as text only.
>>
>> Or only select "No Style" as needed for a sites you are having trouble
>> with. And set it back to Basic when done.
>>
>> FWIW, on my FireFox, set for "No Style", the lite grey boxes changed
>> to a wider, darker blue when selected for filling in with text.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> support-firefox mailing list
>> support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org
>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-firefox
>> To unsubscribe, send an email to
>> support-firefox-request@lists.mozilla.org?subject=unsubscribe
> 

I'm early stage AMD with one eye slight problem.  The style makes no 
sense to me but I do see a magnifier on the control panel (Win10) that 
might help.  I would also get a big monitor.  Bright lights help.  Not 
sure how to brighten screen.

I know there is no cure for AMD and eye vitamins retard it and if it 
goes to the wet form shots, lasers and the like can help stop that. 
They may be testing glasses and computerized visors that let the 
peripheral part of the eye do the work as center gets clouded.
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Frank
1/7/2018 1:04:30 AM
On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
> invisible to her.
>
> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
> different colours.
>
> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
> Wheezy.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian.
>

Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?

Have you tried any Universal Access settings?

For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access. There 
are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and 
Profiles.

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WaltS48
1/7/2018 1:31:23 AM
On 01/06/2018 08:04 PM, Frank wrote:
> 
> I'm early stage AMD with one eye slight problem.  The style makes no
> sense to me but I do see a magnifier on the control panel (Win10) that
> might help.  I would also get a big monitor.  Bright lights help.  Not
> sure how to brighten screen.
> 

Thanks, Frank - if I can't find any other way round it I'll see
whether I can borrow a Windows 10 box for her to try out. Part of my
original message got snipped, we've been Linux users for a LONG time,
the last version of Windows I used in any depth was Windows 2000. I
will have to investigate screen magnifiers for Linux, I'm sure there
must be something out there - or I have a couple of other places to
ask if I can't find anything myself.

> I know there is no cure for AMD and eye vitamins retard it and if it
> goes to the wet form shots, lasers and the like can help stop that.
> They may be testing glasses and computerized visors that let the
> peripheral part of the eye do the work as center gets clouded.

I think we're going to have to lean on the eye doctor a little... :)

Thanks for the ideas.


Brian.

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Brian
1/7/2018 1:36:15 AM
On 01/06/2018 08:04 PM, Frank wrote:
> 
> I'm early stage AMD with one eye slight problem.  The style makes no
> sense to me but I do see a magnifier on the control panel (Win10) that
> might help.  I would also get a big monitor.  Bright lights help.  Not
> sure how to brighten screen.
> 

Thanks, Frank - if I can't find any other way round it I'll see
whether I can borrow a Windows 10 box for her to try out. Part of my
original message got snipped, we've been Linux users for a LONG time,
the last version of Windows I used in any depth was Windows 2000. I
will have to investigate screen magnifiers for Linux, I'm sure there
must be something out there - or I have a couple of other places to
ask if I can't find anything myself.

> I know there is no cure for AMD and eye vitamins retard it and if it
> goes to the wet form shots, lasers and the like can help stop that.
> They may be testing glasses and computerized visors that let the
> peripheral part of the eye do the work as center gets clouded.

I think we're going to have to lean on the eye doctor a little... :)

Thanks for the ideas.


Brian.

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Brian
1/7/2018 1:36:15 AM
On 1/6/2018 8:36 PM, Brian wrote:
> On 01/06/2018 08:04 PM, Frank wrote:
>>
>> I'm early stage AMD with one eye slight problem.  The style makes no
>> sense to me but I do see a magnifier on the control panel (Win10) that
>> might help.  I would also get a big monitor.  Bright lights help.  Not
>> sure how to brighten screen.
>>
> 
> Thanks, Frank - if I can't find any other way round it I'll see
> whether I can borrow a Windows 10 box for her to try out. Part of my
> original message got snipped, we've been Linux users for a LONG time,
> the last version of Windows I used in any depth was Windows 2000. I
> will have to investigate screen magnifiers for Linux, I'm sure there
> must be something out there - or I have a couple of other places to
> ask if I can't find anything myself.
> 
>> I know there is no cure for AMD and eye vitamins retard it and if it
>> goes to the wet form shots, lasers and the like can help stop that.
>> They may be testing glasses and computerized visors that let the
>> peripheral part of the eye do the work as center gets clouded.
> 
> I think we're going to have to lean on the eye doctor a little... :)
> 
> Thanks for the ideas.
> 
> 
> Brian.
> 
I just took a quick glance at the magnifier in Windows before mentioning 
it and there may be a problem in that it magnifies like a magnifying 
glass but you may not be able to type or click, just look.  Best thing I 
got from eye doctor lately was a prescription for computer glasses with 
focal length less than 2 feet.
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Frank
1/7/2018 1:36:36 PM
On 1/6/2018 at 12:40 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
> invisible to her.
> 
> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
> different colours.
> 
> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
> Wheezy.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian.
> 

You can put custom CSS declarations in userContent.css in the Firefox 
profile's chrome folder that will change/over-ride the page's CSS.  Like:

input {
background-color: black !important;
color: white !important;
border: 4px solid red; !important
}

Obviously, change to values she prefers.

See also:

<https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_form.asp>

<https://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/how-to-override-css-stylesheets-in-firefox/>




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Ed
1/7/2018 4:48:38 PM
On 01/06/2018 08:31 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>> invisible to her.
>>
>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>> different colours.
>>
>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>> Wheezy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?
> 

No. She's on her own PC running Debian Wheezy. There's a problem with
her hardware such that we can't upgrade it to anything later, it
trashes the graphics if we try, the PC is unusable with Jessie or
Stretch.

> Have you tried any Universal Access settings?
> 

Not as yet. The problem is when she looks at websites using Firefox,
so tweaking Firefox was my first port of call. She has no problems
with Thunderbird, Libre Office, etc.

> For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access. There
> are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and
> Profiles.
> 

I'll investigate what Debian has along those lines as soon as she's
tried the fix earlier in this thread. Thanks for the info.


Brian.

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Brian
1/7/2018 6:40:43 PM
On 01/06/2018 08:31 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>> invisible to her.
>>
>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>> different colours.
>>
>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>> Wheezy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?
> 

No. She's on her own PC running Debian Wheezy. There's a problem with
her hardware such that we can't upgrade it to anything later, it
trashes the graphics if we try, the PC is unusable with Jessie or
Stretch.

> Have you tried any Universal Access settings?
> 

Not as yet. The problem is when she looks at websites using Firefox,
so tweaking Firefox was my first port of call. She has no problems
with Thunderbird, Libre Office, etc.

> For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access. There
> are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and
> Profiles.
> 

I'll investigate what Debian has along those lines as soon as she's
tried the fix earlier in this thread. Thanks for the info.


Brian.

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Brian
1/7/2018 6:40:43 PM
On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 08:36:36 -0500, Frank <frankdotlogullo@comcast.net>
wrote in
<mailman.663.1515332229.2364.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org> 

> Best thing I 
>got from eye doctor lately was a prescription for computer glasses with 
>focal length less than 2 feet.

That's the best solution I ever found.
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1/7/2018 7:24:50 PM
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On 07/01/2018 19:24, CRNG wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 08:36:36 -0500, Frank <frankdotlogullo@comcast.net>
> wrote in
> <mailman.663.1515332229.2364.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>
>
>> Best thing I
>> got from eye doctor lately was a prescription for computer glasses with
>> focal length less than 2 feet.
> That's the best solution I ever found.
What about the zoom feature of the browser?  press CTRL++ several times 
and the letters will get bigger.  Have you tried this?

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      <pre wrap="">On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 08:36:36 -0500, Frank <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:frankdotlogullo@comcast.net">&lt;frankdotlogullo@comcast.net&gt;</a>
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        <pre wrap="">Best thing I 
got from eye doctor lately was a prescription for computer glasses with 
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That's the best solution I ever found.
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    What about the zoom feature of the browser?  press CTRL++ several
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Good
1/7/2018 9:44:12 PM
On 1/7/18 1:40 PM, Brian wrote:
> On 01/06/2018 08:31 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>> invisible to her.
>>>
>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>> different colours.
>>>
>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>> Wheezy.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brian.
>>>
>> Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?
>>
> No. She's on her own PC running Debian Wheezy. There's a problem with
> her hardware such that we can't upgrade it to anything later, it
> trashes the graphics if we try, the PC is unusable with Jessie or
> Stretch.
>
>> Have you tried any Universal Access settings?
>>
> Not as yet. The problem is when she looks at websites using Firefox,
> so tweaking Firefox was my first port of call. She has no problems
> with Thunderbird, Libre Office, etc.
>
>> For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access. There
>> are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and
>> Profiles.
>>
> I'll investigate what Debian has along those lines as soon as she's
> tried the fix earlier in this thread. Thanks for the info.
>
>
> Brian.
>
The Zoom controls in Firefox don't work for her? The Universal Access 
Large text setting only help with menu items, not web pages.

For that she can use the key combination Ctrl+ to enlarge web sites, or 
View > Zoom from the menu bar, or the Zoom controls from the Menu 
button, or put the Zoom controls on a toolbar using Customize.

Don't know how to make the text box backgrounds a different color.

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WaltS48
1/7/2018 10:22:56 PM
On 01/07/2018 05:22 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 1/7/18 1:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>> On 01/06/2018 08:31 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>> On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white
>>>> background,
>>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>>> invisible to her.
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>> different colours.
>>>>
>>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>>> Wheezy.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>> Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?
>>>
>> No. She's on her own PC running Debian Wheezy. There's a problem with
>> her hardware such that we can't upgrade it to anything later, it
>> trashes the graphics if we try, the PC is unusable with Jessie or
>> Stretch.
>>
>>> Have you tried any Universal Access settings?
>>>
>> Not as yet. The problem is when she looks at websites using Firefox,
>> so tweaking Firefox was my first port of call. She has no problems
>> with Thunderbird, Libre Office, etc.
>>
>>> For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access. There
>>> are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and
>>> Profiles.
>>>
>> I'll investigate what Debian has along those lines as soon as she's
>> tried the fix earlier in this thread. Thanks for the info.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> The Zoom controls in Firefox don't work for her? The Universal Access
> Large text setting only help with menu items, not web pages.
> 
> For that she can use the key combination Ctrl+ to enlarge web sites,
> or View > Zoom from the menu bar, or the Zoom controls from the Menu
> button, or put the Zoom controls on a toolbar using Customize.
> 

Yes, she knows all about CTRL+ to increase the text size, she uses
that all the time.

> Don't know how to make the text box backgrounds a different color.
> 

That's the current problem, unfortunately. We do a lot of our shopping
online as we're 20+ miles from the nearest store, and 80 miles from
the nearest LARGE store. She simply can't see the boxes where she's
supposed to enter shipping and payment information. They come up as
white boxes on a white background with a faint grey line around them,
and that's totally invisible to her.


Brian.

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Brian
1/8/2018 7:18:59 AM
On 01/07/2018 05:22 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 1/7/18 1:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>> On 01/06/2018 08:31 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>> On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white
>>>> background,
>>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>>> invisible to her.
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>> different colours.
>>>>
>>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>>> Wheezy.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>> Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?
>>>
>> No. She's on her own PC running Debian Wheezy. There's a problem with
>> her hardware such that we can't upgrade it to anything later, it
>> trashes the graphics if we try, the PC is unusable with Jessie or
>> Stretch.
>>
>>> Have you tried any Universal Access settings?
>>>
>> Not as yet. The problem is when she looks at websites using Firefox,
>> so tweaking Firefox was my first port of call. She has no problems
>> with Thunderbird, Libre Office, etc.
>>
>>> For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access. There
>>> are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and
>>> Profiles.
>>>
>> I'll investigate what Debian has along those lines as soon as she's
>> tried the fix earlier in this thread. Thanks for the info.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> The Zoom controls in Firefox don't work for her? The Universal Access
> Large text setting only help with menu items, not web pages.
> 
> For that she can use the key combination Ctrl+ to enlarge web sites,
> or View > Zoom from the menu bar, or the Zoom controls from the Menu
> button, or put the Zoom controls on a toolbar using Customize.
> 

Yes, she knows all about CTRL+ to increase the text size, she uses
that all the time.

> Don't know how to make the text box backgrounds a different color.
> 

That's the current problem, unfortunately. We do a lot of our shopping
online as we're 20+ miles from the nearest store, and 80 miles from
the nearest LARGE store. She simply can't see the boxes where she's
supposed to enter shipping and payment information. They come up as
white boxes on a white background with a faint grey line around them,
and that's totally invisible to her.


Brian.

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Brian
1/8/2018 7:18:59 AM
On 01/07/2018 11:48 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/6/2018 at 12:40 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>> invisible to her.
>>
>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>> different colours.
>>
>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>> Wheezy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> You can put custom CSS declarations in userContent.css in the Firefox
> profile's chrome folder that will change/over-ride the page's CSS.  Like:
> 
> input {
> background-color: black !important;
> color: white !important;
> border: 4px solid red; !important
> }
> 
> Obviously, change to values she prefers.
> 
> See also:
> 
> <https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_form.asp>
> 
> <https://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/how-to-override-css-stylesheets-in-firefox/>
> 
> 

Aha! Now THIS sounds like the sort of thing I was hoping to hear.
Thank you, Ed! I will give this a try as soon as she boots up her PC
this morning, and report back.


Brian.

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Brian
1/8/2018 7:22:03 AM
On 01/07/2018 11:48 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/6/2018 at 12:40 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>> invisible to her.
>>
>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>> different colours.
>>
>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>> Wheezy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> You can put custom CSS declarations in userContent.css in the Firefox
> profile's chrome folder that will change/over-ride the page's CSS.  Like:
> 
> input {
> background-color: black !important;
> color: white !important;
> border: 4px solid red; !important
> }
> 
> Obviously, change to values she prefers.
> 
> See also:
> 
> <https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_form.asp>
> 
> <https://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/how-to-override-css-stylesheets-in-firefox/>
> 
> 

Aha! Now THIS sounds like the sort of thing I was hoping to hear.
Thank you, Ed! I will give this a try as soon as she boots up her PC
this morning, and report back.


Brian.

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Brian
1/8/2018 7:22:03 AM
In article <mailman.671.1515395972.2364.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>,
   Brian <brian@patandbrian.org> wrote:
[Snippy]

> That's the current problem, unfortunately. We do a lot of our shopping
> online as we're 20+ miles from the nearest store, and 80 miles from
> the nearest LARGE store. She simply can't see the boxes where she's
> supposed to enter shipping and payment information. They come up as
> white boxes on a white background with a faint grey line around them,
> and that's totally invisible to her.


> Brian.

I would add... Though an aged person, my eyes are still very good, but I
also have a great deal of trouble with those sorts of writable boxes, no
definition, no contrast.

It may all look very arty, but not much use if the customers can't see
what's what.

Dor

-- 

Dave Ormail
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Ormail
1/8/2018 9:15:00 AM
On 18-01-08 09:15:00, Ormail wrote:
>I would add... Though an aged person, my eyes are still very good, but 
>I
>also have a great deal of trouble with those sorts of writable boxes, no
>definition, no contrast.
>
>It may all look very arty, but not much use if the customers can't see
>what's what.
>
>Dor
>
>-- 
>
>Dave Ormail

Yeah there's no 'solution' that isn't just a hack to compensate for bad 
design.

The low contrast trend needs to die. Some pages completely disappear if 
you look at the screen the wrong way!
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Ben
1/8/2018 9:36:00 AM
Brian wrote:

> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
> invisible to her.
> 
> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
> different colours.
> 
> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
> Wheezy.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian.

This is not really what you are after, but it might be worth trying. When I
switched to Windows 10 (not from choice, I hasten to add) the text was so
anaemic that I could barely read it. The solution was to turn down the
gamma on the video card software. There ought to be a way to do that under
Linux. This might just give her enough contrast between the spaces and the
box outlines to help a bit as a stop-gap.

-- 
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Did you hear about the cow that liked jazz? It mooed indigo.
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Bob
1/8/2018 9:49:44 AM
On 1/8/2018 at 2:18 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
> On 01/07/2018 05:22 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 1/7/18 1:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On 01/06/2018 08:31 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>> On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>>>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white
>>>>> background,
>>>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>>>> invisible to her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>>> different colours.
>>>>>
>>>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>>>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>>>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>>>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>>>> Wheezy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>
>>>> Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?
>>>>
>>> No. She's on her own PC running Debian Wheezy. There's a problem with
>>> her hardware such that we can't upgrade it to anything later, it
>>> trashes the graphics if we try, the PC is unusable with Jessie or
>>> Stretch.
>>>
>>>> Have you tried any Universal Access settings?
>>>>
>>> Not as yet. The problem is when she looks at websites using Firefox,
>>> so tweaking Firefox was my first port of call. She has no problems
>>> with Thunderbird, Libre Office, etc.
>>>
>>>> For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access. There
>>>> are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and
>>>> Profiles.
>>>>
>>> I'll investigate what Debian has along those lines as soon as she's
>>> tried the fix earlier in this thread. Thanks for the info.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian.
>>>
>> The Zoom controls in Firefox don't work for her? The Universal Access
>> Large text setting only help with menu items, not web pages.
>>
>> For that she can use the key combination Ctrl+ to enlarge web sites,
>> or View > Zoom from the menu bar, or the Zoom controls from the Menu
>> button, or put the Zoom controls on a toolbar using Customize.
>>
> 
> Yes, she knows all about CTRL+ to increase the text size, she uses
> that all the time.
> 
>> Don't know how to make the text box backgrounds a different color.
>>
> 
> That's the current problem, unfortunately. We do a lot of our shopping
> online as we're 20+ miles from the nearest store, and 80 miles from
> the nearest LARGE store. She simply can't see the boxes where she's
> supposed to enter shipping and payment information. They come up as
> white boxes on a white background with a faint grey line around them,
> and that's totally invisible to her.
> 
> 
> Brian.
> 

Did you try my CSS suggestion a few posts up?


-- 
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
Nothing says poor craftsmanship more than wrinkled duct tape.
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Ed
1/8/2018 2:52:57 PM
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Ken
1/8/2018 3:57:35 PM
On 2018-01-08 02:18, Brian wrote:
> On 01/07/2018 05:22 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
[...]
>> For that she can use the key combination Ctrl+ to enlarge web sites,
>> or View > Zoom from the menu bar, or the Zoom controls from the Menu
>> button, or put the Zoom controls on a toolbar using Customize.
>>
> 
> Yes, she knows all about CTRL+ to increase the text size, she uses
> that all the time.
> 
>> Don't know how to make the text box backgrounds a different color.
>>
> 
> That's the current problem, unfortunately. We do a lot of our shopping
> online as we're 20+ miles from the nearest store, and 80 miles from
> the nearest LARGE store. She simply can't see the boxes where she's
> supposed to enter shipping and payment information. They come up as
> white boxes on a white background with a faint grey line around them,
> and that's totally invisible to her.
> 
> 
> Brian.
> 

Do these help?

https://linuxacademy.com/linux/training/lesson/name/large-print-screen-and-high-contrast-desktop-themes

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/best-linux-desktop-which-is-ideal-for-you-1194516

I haven't tried any, but Ubuntu and Mint apparently both offer high 
contrast themes. There is  Debian Mint available, don't know if it 
offers HC Themes:

https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php


Best Wishes, and Good luck

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"The next conference for the time travel design team will be held two 
weeks ago."
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Wolf
1/8/2018 4:40:33 PM
On 01/08/2018 09:52 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/8/2018 at 2:18 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> On 01/07/2018 05:22 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>> On 1/7/18 1:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>> On 01/06/2018 08:31 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>> On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>>>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white
>>>>>> background,
>>>>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>>>>> invisible to her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>>>> different colours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>>>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>>>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to
>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>>>>> Wheezy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?
>>>>>
>>>> No. She's on her own PC running Debian Wheezy. There's a problem with
>>>> her hardware such that we can't upgrade it to anything later, it
>>>> trashes the graphics if we try, the PC is unusable with Jessie or
>>>> Stretch.
>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried any Universal Access settings?
>>>>>
>>>> Not as yet. The problem is when she looks at websites using Firefox,
>>>> so tweaking Firefox was my first port of call. She has no problems
>>>> with Thunderbird, Libre Office, etc.
>>>>
>>>>> For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access.
>>>>> There
>>>>> are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and
>>>>> Profiles.
>>>>>
>>>> I'll investigate what Debian has along those lines as soon as she's
>>>> tried the fix earlier in this thread. Thanks for the info.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>> The Zoom controls in Firefox don't work for her? The Universal Access
>>> Large text setting only help with menu items, not web pages.
>>>
>>> For that she can use the key combination Ctrl+ to enlarge web sites,
>>> or View > Zoom from the menu bar, or the Zoom controls from the Menu
>>> button, or put the Zoom controls on a toolbar using Customize.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, she knows all about CTRL+ to increase the text size, she uses
>> that all the time.
>>
>>> Don't know how to make the text box backgrounds a different color.
>>>
>>
>> That's the current problem, unfortunately. We do a lot of our shopping
>> online as we're 20+ miles from the nearest store, and 80 miles from
>> the nearest LARGE store. She simply can't see the boxes where she's
>> supposed to enter shipping and payment information. They come up as
>> white boxes on a white background with a faint grey line around them,
>> and that's totally invisible to her.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> Did you try my CSS suggestion a few posts up?
> 
> 

I tried, but Debian have obviously done something different with
Firefox. There's no such directory as 'chrome' (whatever case!) in her
profile. I was under the impression Debian had just basically renamed
Firefox as Iceweasel, but it seems there's more to it than that. I did
do a search for user*.css, going by the contents of the directory on
my PC, but nothing matching that pattern was found on her PC.

As soon as I get chance, I will download and install a genuine Firefox
for her, and then try your tweak, but that may not be until tomorrow.


Brian.

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Brian
1/8/2018 8:42:50 PM
On 01/08/2018 09:52 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/8/2018 at 2:18 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> On 01/07/2018 05:22 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>> On 1/7/18 1:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>> On 01/06/2018 08:31 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>> On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>>>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white
>>>>>> background,
>>>>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>>>>> invisible to her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>>>> different colours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>>>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>>>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to
>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>>>>> Wheezy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?
>>>>>
>>>> No. She's on her own PC running Debian Wheezy. There's a problem with
>>>> her hardware such that we can't upgrade it to anything later, it
>>>> trashes the graphics if we try, the PC is unusable with Jessie or
>>>> Stretch.
>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried any Universal Access settings?
>>>>>
>>>> Not as yet. The problem is when she looks at websites using Firefox,
>>>> so tweaking Firefox was my first port of call. She has no problems
>>>> with Thunderbird, Libre Office, etc.
>>>>
>>>>> For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access.
>>>>> There
>>>>> are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and
>>>>> Profiles.
>>>>>
>>>> I'll investigate what Debian has along those lines as soon as she's
>>>> tried the fix earlier in this thread. Thanks for the info.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>> The Zoom controls in Firefox don't work for her? The Universal Access
>>> Large text setting only help with menu items, not web pages.
>>>
>>> For that she can use the key combination Ctrl+ to enlarge web sites,
>>> or View > Zoom from the menu bar, or the Zoom controls from the Menu
>>> button, or put the Zoom controls on a toolbar using Customize.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, she knows all about CTRL+ to increase the text size, she uses
>> that all the time.
>>
>>> Don't know how to make the text box backgrounds a different color.
>>>
>>
>> That's the current problem, unfortunately. We do a lot of our shopping
>> online as we're 20+ miles from the nearest store, and 80 miles from
>> the nearest LARGE store. She simply can't see the boxes where she's
>> supposed to enter shipping and payment information. They come up as
>> white boxes on a white background with a faint grey line around them,
>> and that's totally invisible to her.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> Did you try my CSS suggestion a few posts up?
> 
> 

I tried, but Debian have obviously done something different with
Firefox. There's no such directory as 'chrome' (whatever case!) in her
profile. I was under the impression Debian had just basically renamed
Firefox as Iceweasel, but it seems there's more to it than that. I did
do a search for user*.css, going by the contents of the directory on
my PC, but nothing matching that pattern was found on her PC.

As soon as I get chance, I will download and install a genuine Firefox
for her, and then try your tweak, but that may not be until tomorrow.


Brian.

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Brian
1/8/2018 8:42:50 PM
On 1/8/18 3:42 PM, Brian wrote:
> On 01/08/2018 09:52 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>> On 1/8/2018 at 2:18 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>>> On 01/07/2018 05:22 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>> On 1/7/18 1:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>>> On 01/06/2018 08:31 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>>>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>>>>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white
>>>>>>> background,
>>>>>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>>>>>> invisible to her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>>>>> different colours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>>>>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>>>>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to
>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>>>>>> Wheezy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?
>>>>>>
>>>>> No. She's on her own PC running Debian Wheezy. There's a problem with
>>>>> her hardware such that we can't upgrade it to anything later, it
>>>>> trashes the graphics if we try, the PC is unusable with Jessie or
>>>>> Stretch.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you tried any Universal Access settings?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not as yet. The problem is when she looks at websites using Firefox,
>>>>> so tweaking Firefox was my first port of call. She has no problems
>>>>> with Thunderbird, Libre Office, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access.
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and
>>>>>> Profiles.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'll investigate what Debian has along those lines as soon as she's
>>>>> tried the fix earlier in this thread. Thanks for the info.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>
>>>> The Zoom controls in Firefox don't work for her? The Universal Access
>>>> Large text setting only help with menu items, not web pages.
>>>>
>>>> For that she can use the key combination Ctrl+ to enlarge web sites,
>>>> or View > Zoom from the menu bar, or the Zoom controls from the Menu
>>>> button, or put the Zoom controls on a toolbar using Customize.
>>>>
>>> Yes, she knows all about CTRL+ to increase the text size, she uses
>>> that all the time.
>>>
>>>> Don't know how to make the text box backgrounds a different color.
>>>>
>>> That's the current problem, unfortunately. We do a lot of our shopping
>>> online as we're 20+ miles from the nearest store, and 80 miles from
>>> the nearest LARGE store. She simply can't see the boxes where she's
>>> supposed to enter shipping and payment information. They come up as
>>> white boxes on a white background with a faint grey line around them,
>>> and that's totally invisible to her.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian.
>>>
>> Did you try my CSS suggestion a few posts up?
>>
>>
> I tried, but Debian have obviously done something different with
> Firefox. There's no such directory as 'chrome' (whatever case!) in her
> profile. I was under the impression Debian had just basically renamed
> Firefox as Iceweasel, but it seems there's more to it than that. I did
> do a search for user*.css, going by the contents of the directory on
> my PC, but nothing matching that pattern was found on her PC.
>
> As soon as I get chance, I will download and install a genuine Firefox
> for her, and then try your tweak, but that may not be until tomorrow.
>
>
> Brian.
>

You have to create the chrome directory in the profile.

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WaltS48
1/8/2018 9:18:12 PM
On 01/08/2018 04:18 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 1/8/18 3:42 PM, Brian wrote:
>> On 01/08/2018 09:52 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> On 1/8/2018 at 2:18 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>>>> On 01/07/2018 05:22 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>> On 1/7/18 1:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>>>> On 01/06/2018 08:31 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/6/18 12:40 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>>>>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>>>>>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white
>>>>>>>> background,
>>>>>>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>>>>>>> invisible to her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>>>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>>>>>> different colours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>>>>>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>>>>>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to
>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>>>>>>> Wheezy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is she using the same Linux computer that you are using?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. She's on her own PC running Debian Wheezy. There's a problem with
>>>>>> her hardware such that we can't upgrade it to anything later, it
>>>>>> trashes the graphics if we try, the PC is unusable with Jessie or
>>>>>> Stretch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you tried any Universal Access settings?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not as yet. The problem is when she looks at websites using Firefox,
>>>>>> so tweaking Firefox was my first port of call. She has no problems
>>>>>> with Thunderbird, Libre Office, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For Ubuntu 16.04 open the System Settings then Universal Access.
>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>> are settings for Seeing, Hearing, Typing, Pointing and Clicking, and
>>>>>>> Profiles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll investigate what Debian has along those lines as soon as she's
>>>>>> tried the fix earlier in this thread. Thanks for the info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Zoom controls in Firefox don't work for her? The Universal Access
>>>>> Large text setting only help with menu items, not web pages.
>>>>>
>>>>> For that she can use the key combination Ctrl+ to enlarge web sites,
>>>>> or View > Zoom from the menu bar, or the Zoom controls from the Menu
>>>>> button, or put the Zoom controls on a toolbar using Customize.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, she knows all about CTRL+ to increase the text size, she uses
>>>> that all the time.
>>>>
>>>>> Don't know how to make the text box backgrounds a different color.
>>>>>
>>>> That's the current problem, unfortunately. We do a lot of our shopping
>>>> online as we're 20+ miles from the nearest store, and 80 miles from
>>>> the nearest LARGE store. She simply can't see the boxes where she's
>>>> supposed to enter shipping and payment information. They come up as
>>>> white boxes on a white background with a faint grey line around them,
>>>> and that's totally invisible to her.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>> Did you try my CSS suggestion a few posts up?
>>>
>>>
>> I tried, but Debian have obviously done something different with
>> Firefox. There's no such directory as 'chrome' (whatever case!) in her
>> profile. I was under the impression Debian had just basically renamed
>> Firefox as Iceweasel, but it seems there's more to it than that. I did
>> do a search for user*.css, going by the contents of the directory on
>> my PC, but nothing matching that pattern was found on her PC.
>>
>> As soon as I get chance, I will download and install a genuine Firefox
>> for her, and then try your tweak, but that may not be until tomorrow.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> You have to create the chrome directory in the profile.
> 

http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserChrome.css&printable=yes
https://www.userchrome.org/
-- 
Caver1
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Caver1
1/8/2018 9:30:32 PM
On 01/08/2018 04:18 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 1/8/18 3:42 PM, Brian wrote:
>> On 01/08/2018 09:52 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

<snip>

>>>>
>>> Did you try my CSS suggestion a few posts up?
>>>
>>>
>> I tried, but Debian have obviously done something different with
>> Firefox. There's no such directory as 'chrome' (whatever case!) in her
>> profile. I was under the impression Debian had just basically renamed
>> Firefox as Iceweasel, but it seems there's more to it than that. I did
>> do a search for user*.css, going by the contents of the directory on
>> my PC, but nothing matching that pattern was found on her PC.
>>
>> As soon as I get chance, I will download and install a genuine Firefox
>> for her, and then try your tweak, but that may not be until tomorrow.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> You have to create the chrome directory in the profile.
> 

Oh! I'm sure that I never did so in my profile, but it's there. I'm
absolutely *100%* certain that I know nothing about the two files it
currently contains, they were absolutely NOT created by me, not unless
some add-on or other did it on my behalf. I therefore assumed that the
lack of said directory on Pat's PC was some kind of Firefox/Iceweasel
difference.

OK, Ed, I'll give your suggestion a try when Pat puts her PC on later
today and report back.


Brian.
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Brian
1/9/2018 9:53:52 AM
On 1/9/2018 at 4:53 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
> On 01/08/2018 04:18 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 1/8/18 3:42 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On 01/08/2018 09:52 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>>>>>
>>>> Did you try my CSS suggestion a few posts up?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I tried, but Debian have obviously done something different with
>>> Firefox. There's no such directory as 'chrome' (whatever case!) in her
>>> profile. I was under the impression Debian had just basically renamed
>>> Firefox as Iceweasel, but it seems there's more to it than that. I did
>>> do a search for user*.css, going by the contents of the directory on
>>> my PC, but nothing matching that pattern was found on her PC.
>>>
>>> As soon as I get chance, I will download and install a genuine Firefox
>>> for her, and then try your tweak, but that may not be until tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian.
>>>
>>
>> You have to create the chrome directory in the profile.
>>
> 
> Oh! I'm sure that I never did so in my profile, but it's there. I'm
> absolutely *100%* certain that I know nothing about the two files it
> currently contains, they were absolutely NOT created by me, not unless
> some add-on or other did it on my behalf. I therefore assumed that the
> lack of said directory on Pat's PC was some kind of Firefox/Iceweasel
> difference.
> 
> OK, Ed, I'll give your suggestion a try when Pat puts her PC on later
> today and report back.
> 
> 
> Brian.
> 

Just remember the spelling of the file you create must be 
userContent.css - with a capital C.  The folder should be lowercase - 
chrome.

-- 
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
"A musicologist is a man who can read music but can't hear it." -  Sir 
Thomas Beecham (1879 - 1961)
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Ed
1/9/2018 6:15:49 PM
On 01/09/2018 01:15 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/9/2018 at 4:53 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> On 01/08/2018 04:18 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>> On 1/8/18 3:42 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>> On 01/08/2018 09:52 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Did you try my CSS suggestion a few posts up?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I tried, but Debian have obviously done something different with
>>>> Firefox. There's no such directory as 'chrome' (whatever case!) in
>>>> her
>>>> profile. I was under the impression Debian had just basically renamed
>>>> Firefox as Iceweasel, but it seems there's more to it than that. I
>>>> did
>>>> do a search for user*.css, going by the contents of the directory on
>>>> my PC, but nothing matching that pattern was found on her PC.
>>>>
>>>> As soon as I get chance, I will download and install a genuine
>>>> Firefox
>>>> for her, and then try your tweak, but that may not be until tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have to create the chrome directory in the profile.
>>>
>>
>> Oh! I'm sure that I never did so in my profile, but it's there. I'm
>> absolutely *100%* certain that I know nothing about the two files it
>> currently contains, they were absolutely NOT created by me, not unless
>> some add-on or other did it on my behalf. I therefore assumed that the
>> lack of said directory on Pat's PC was some kind of Firefox/Iceweasel
>> difference.
>>
>> OK, Ed, I'll give your suggestion a try when Pat puts her PC on later
>> today and report back.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> Just remember the spelling of the file you create must be
> userContent.css - with a capital C.  The folder should be lowercase -
> chrome.
> 

I followed your instructions to the letter - cutting and pasting both
filename and contents, and double-checking the case of both the
directory and the filename. I'm afraid the data entry boxes appear
unchanged. :( Pat has only the one profile under .mozilla/firefox,
BTW. I'll give this a go on my setup and see whether it makes any
difference, but may not have time to do that until this evening.


Brian.


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Brian
1/9/2018 9:03:16 PM
On 01/09/2018 01:03 PM, Brian wrote:
> On 01/09/2018 01:15 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>> On 1/9/2018 at 4:53 AM, Brian wrote:
>>> On 01/08/2018 04:18 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>> On 1/8/18 3:42 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>>> On 01/08/2018 09:52 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you try my CSS suggestion a few posts up?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I tried, but Debian have obviously done something different
>>>>> with Firefox. There's no such directory as 'chrome' (whatever
>>>>> case!) in her profile. I was under the impression Debian had
>>>>> just basically renamed Firefox as Iceweasel, but it seems
>>>>> there's more to it than that. I did do a search for
>>>>> user*.css, going by the contents of the directory on my PC,
>>>>> but nothing matching that pattern was found on her PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as I get chance, I will download and install a
>>>>> genuine Firefox for her, and then try your tweak, but that
>>>>> may not be until tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> You have to create the chrome directory in the profile.
>>>
>>> Oh! I'm sure that I never did so in my profile, but it's there.
>>> I'm absolutely *100%* certain that I know nothing about the two
>>> files it currently contains, they were absolutely NOT created by
>>> me, not unless some add-on or other did it on my behalf. I
>>> therefore assumed that the lack of said directory on Pat's PC was
>>> some kind of Firefox/Iceweasel difference.
>>>
>>> OK, Ed, I'll give your suggestion a try when Pat puts her PC on
>>> later today and report back.
>>
>> Just remember the spelling of the file you create must be
>> userContent.css - with a capital C.  The folder should be lowercase
>> - chrome.
>
> I followed your instructions to the letter - cutting and pasting
> both filename and contents, and double-checking the case of both the
> directory and the filename. I'm afraid the data entry boxes appear
> unchanged. :( Pat has only the one profile under .mozilla/firefox,
> BTW. I'll give this a go on my setup and see whether it makes any
> difference, but may not have time to do that until this evening.

There are example files included with the various versions of firefox
(linux) that I have.  No idea how version-dependent they are, but do a
search for userChrome-example.css and userContent-example.css, put them
in the chrome subdirectory, remove the -example part of the filenames,
and add the code suggested previously.

Reloading is necessary in order to get firefox to read these files --
and sometimes even a reboot might be in order.

It's been so long since I did anything with the example files that I 
have no idea where they came from; I've been editing the same ones for 
at least a decade now :-(

-- 
Cheers, Bev
  "If you were trying to be offensive, you would have succeeded if I
   hadn't realized you have no idea what you are talking about."
                                                       -- FernandoP



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The
1/9/2018 10:33:47 PM
On 01/07/2018 11:48 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/6/2018 at 12:40 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>> invisible to her.
>>
>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>> different colours.
>>
>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>> Wheezy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> You can put custom CSS declarations in userContent.css in the Firefox
> profile's chrome folder that will change/over-ride the page's CSS.  Like:
> 
> input {
> background-color: black !important;
> color: white !important;
> border: 4px solid red; !important
> }
> 
> Obviously, change to values she prefers.
> 
> See also:
> 
> <https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_form.asp>
> 
> <https://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/how-to-override-css-stylesheets-in-firefox/>
> 
> 

I've tried this fix on both Pat's PC (Debian Wheezy) and mine (Ububtu
Studio 16) and it seems to have no effect *unless* a full reboot is
needed. I'll leave the code in my Firefox, and look again next time I
boot up the PC.

Brian.
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Brian
1/10/2018 8:27:14 AM
Ed Mullen wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>> invisible to her.
> 
> You can put custom CSS declarations in userContent.css in the Firefox 
> profile's chrome folder that will change/over-ride the page's CSS.  Like:
> 
> input {
> background-color: black !important;
> color: white !important;
> border: 4px solid red; !important
> }

I tried it in both PM and FF52ESR, but the effect is the same:
the browser's own appearance changes (e.g. the address bar is
changed to black/white/red), but it doesn't override the input
css in web pages.

-p

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PietB
1/10/2018 9:45:09 AM
On 01/10/2018 03:27 AM, Brian wrote:
> On 01/07/2018 11:48 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>> On 1/6/2018 at 12:40 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>> invisible to her.
>>>
>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>> different colours.
>>>
>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>> Wheezy.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brian.
>>>
>>
>> You can put custom CSS declarations in userContent.css in the Firefox
>> profile's chrome folder that will change/over-ride the page's CSS.  Like:
>>
>> input {
>> background-color: black !important;
>> color: white !important;
>> border: 4px solid red; !important
>> }
>>
>> Obviously, change to values she prefers.
>>
>> See also:
>>
>> <https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_form.asp>
>>
>> <https://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/how-to-override-css-stylesheets-in-firefox/>
>>
>>
> 
> I've tried this fix on both Pat's PC (Debian Wheezy) and mine (Ububtu
> Studio 16) and it seems to have no effect *unless* a full reboot is
> needed. I'll leave the code in my Firefox, and look again next time I
> boot up the PC.
> 

OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's definitely an
improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change the
colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't have
macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it will
turn red.

So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it would
be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents across to
Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a delay
in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.


Brian.

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Brian
1/10/2018 1:05:34 PM
On 1/10/2018 at 8:05 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
> On 01/10/2018 03:27 AM, Brian wrote:
>> On 01/07/2018 11:48 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> On 1/6/2018 at 12:40 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
>>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>>> invisible to her.
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>> different colours.
>>>>
>>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>>> Wheezy.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can put custom CSS declarations in userContent.css in the Firefox
>>> profile's chrome folder that will change/over-ride the page's CSS.  Like:
>>>
>>> input {
>>> background-color: black !important;
>>> color: white !important;
>>> border: 4px solid red; !important
>>> }
>>>
>>> Obviously, change to values she prefers.
>>>
>>> See also:
>>>
>>> <https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_form.asp>
>>>
>>> <https://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/how-to-override-css-stylesheets-in-firefox/>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I've tried this fix on both Pat's PC (Debian Wheezy) and mine (Ububtu
>> Studio 16) and it seems to have no effect *unless* a full reboot is
>> needed. I'll leave the code in my Firefox, and look again next time I
>> boot up the PC.
>>
> 
> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's definitely an
> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change the
> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't have
> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it will
> turn red.
> 
> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it would
> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents across to
> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a delay
> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.
> 
> 
> Brian.
> 

That's very odd.  Here hover has no part in it.

-- 
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
A dyslexic man walked into a bra ...
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Ed
1/10/2018 3:25:48 PM
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018, at 13:05, Brian wrote:

> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's definitely an
> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change the
> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't have
> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it will
> turn red.
> 
> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it would
> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents across to
> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a delay
> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.

It seems to me that the important thing is that you've found that CSS
you supply can override things.

I should think you could override many things.  The difficulty will be in 
finding out which things need overridden.  And, since you need changes
to affect many websites, it will be progressively more difficult if the CSS
used on those sites is wildly different.

You might find it useful to use Firefox's  "Inspect Element" option, when
you right-click on part of a website.  The display changes to show you 
how the CSS options that control something are merged from a variety 
of sources ('cascading' in fact through a hierarchy of parts of the page)
resulting in the values that actually take effect.  Hopefully you should be 
able to see your overrides overriding other things.

You might want to read the help info at:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspector

I think there will be a problem in websites where the CSS is manipulated 
under control of JavaScript, as - perhaps - things you override may be 
overridden again by program code.

Although I understand you're looking for a silver bullet that fixes all 
sites, I think you should ask customer support on the sites you need 
most if they can help.  Some sites have 'accessibility' versions of their
sites which have a simpler design, or have versions which send less
data (implicitly simpler design), perhaps intended to be used with 
screen-reading software.  You might find that using a simpler version 
of a website AND some simple CSS tweaks works better for you.

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.
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Jeremy
1/10/2018 3:47:49 PM
On 1/10/2018 at 8:05 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
> On 01/10/2018 03:27 AM, Brian wrote:
>> On 01/07/2018 11:48 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> On 1/6/2018 at 12:40 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white background,
>>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>>> invisible to her.
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>> different colours.
>>>>
>>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to upgrade
>>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>>> Wheezy.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can put custom CSS declarations in userContent.css in the Firefox
>>> profile's chrome folder that will change/over-ride the page's CSS.  Like:
>>>
>>> input {
>>> background-color: black !important;
>>> color: white !important;
>>> border: 4px solid red; !important
>>> }
>>>
>>> Obviously, change to values she prefers.
>>>
>>> See also:
>>>
>>> <https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_form.asp>
>>>
>>> <https://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/how-to-override-css-stylesheets-in-firefox/>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I've tried this fix on both Pat's PC (Debian Wheezy) and mine (Ububtu
>> Studio 16) and it seems to have no effect *unless* a full reboot is
>> needed. I'll leave the code in my Firefox, and look again next time I
>> boot up the PC.
>>
> 
> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's definitely an
> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change the
> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't have
> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it will
> turn red.
> 
> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it would
> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents across to
> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a delay
> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.
> 
> 
> Brian.
> 

I do not see the hover action here.  When I go to a page/form like

<https://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php>

I see the form <input> fields black, with white text, and a red border.

Could you post a URL where you're seeing this?


-- 
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
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Ed
1/10/2018 5:04:31 PM
On 01/10/2018 12:04 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/10/2018 at 8:05 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> On 01/10/2018 03:27 AM, Brian wrote:
>>> On 01/07/2018 11:48 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>> On 1/6/2018 at 12:40 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital
>>>> genius:
>>>>> My wife has very poor eyesight due to macular degeneration, and it's
>>>>> driving her crazy when filling in web forms for ordering stuff, the
>>>>> boxes in which she's supposed to type are white on a white
>>>>> background,
>>>>> with only a very faint grey line around them, which is totally
>>>>> invisible to her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anybody please tell me a way to get a better colour scheme for
>>>>> her? Ideally I need the background and the edit box to be in VERY
>>>>> different colours.
>>>>>
>>>>> She's using Firefox 52.7.5 ESR, which is the latest version from the
>>>>> 64-bit Debian Wheezy repositories - her PC has a problem with later
>>>>> versions of Linux, I can't get it to upgrade past Wheezy without the
>>>>> screen getting trashed every few minutes. (No, it's not failing
>>>>> hardware, Wheezy is perfectly stable.) Please, *NO* advice to
>>>>> upgrade
>>>>> to the latest Firefox unless you *know* that it works under Debian
>>>>> Wheezy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can put custom CSS declarations in userContent.css in the Firefox
>>>> profile's chrome folder that will change/over-ride the page's
>>>> CSS.  Like:
>>>>
>>>> input {
>>>> background-color: black !important;
>>>> color: white !important;
>>>> border: 4px solid red; !important
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, change to values she prefers.
>>>>
>>>> See also:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_form.asp>
>>>>
>>>> <https://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/how-to-override-css-stylesheets-in-firefox/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've tried this fix on both Pat's PC (Debian Wheezy) and mine (Ububtu
>>> Studio 16) and it seems to have no effect *unless* a full reboot is
>>> needed. I'll leave the code in my Firefox, and look again next time I
>>> boot up the PC.
>>>
>>
>> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's definitely an
>> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change the
>> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
>> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't have
>> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
>> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it will
>> turn red.
>>
>> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it would
>> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
>> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
>> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents across to
>> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a delay
>> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> I do not see the hover action here.  When I go to a page/form like
> 
> <https://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php>
> 
> I see the form <input> fields black, with white text, and a red border.
> 
> Could you post a URL where you're seeing this?
> 
> 

I'll have to do a bit more testing, because the site I was using was
one to which I can't give out the username and password. I'll try
looking at your site for starters.


Brian.
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Brian
1/10/2018 8:37:26 PM
On 01/10/2018 12:04 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/10/2018 at 8:05 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:

>> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's definitely an
>> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change the
>> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
>> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't have
>> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
>> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it will
>> turn red.
>>
>> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it would
>> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
>> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
>> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents across to
>> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a delay
>> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> I do not see the hover action here.  When I go to a page/form like
> 
> <https://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php>
> 
> I see the form <input> fields black, with white text, and a red border.
> 
> Could you post a URL where you're seeing this?
> 
> 

It happens on your site, Ed - the contact_ej URL. The boxes are
invisible (white on white) until I hover over them, when they turn a
sort of sickly-looking red. The colour is definitely NOT permanent,
it's only while the cursor is over them or the box has focus.
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Brian
1/10/2018 8:43:02 PM
On 01/10/2018 10:47 AM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018, at 13:05, Brian wrote:
> 
>> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's definitely an
>> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change the
>> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
>> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't have
>> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
>> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it will
>> turn red.
>>
>> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it would
>> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
>> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
>> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents across to
>> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a delay
>> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.
> 
> It seems to me that the important thing is that you've found that CSS
> you supply can override things.
> 
> I should think you could override many things.  The difficulty will be in 
> finding out which things need overridden.  And, since you need changes
> to affect many websites, it will be progressively more difficult if the CSS
> used on those sites is wildly different.
> 
> You might find it useful to use Firefox's  "Inspect Element" option, when
> you right-click on part of a website.  The display changes to show you 
> how the CSS options that control something are merged from a variety 
> of sources ('cascading' in fact through a hierarchy of parts of the page)
> resulting in the values that actually take effect.  Hopefully you should be 
> able to see your overrides overriding other things.
> 
> You might want to read the help info at:
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Page_Inspector
> 
> I think there will be a problem in websites where the CSS is manipulated 
> under control of JavaScript, as - perhaps - things you override may be 
> overridden again by program code.
> 
> Although I understand you're looking for a silver bullet that fixes all 
> sites, I think you should ask customer support on the sites you need 
> most if they can help.  Some sites have 'accessibility' versions of their
> sites which have a simpler design, or have versions which send less
> data (implicitly simpler design), perhaps intended to be used with 
> screen-reading software.  You might find that using a simpler version 
> of a website AND some simple CSS tweaks works better for you.
> 

Well, yes, that's obviously one approach to it - but quite a laborious
one *IF* there was a setting in Firefox which basically says "Override
the website's colour scheme, *whatever* it may be, and use this one".
That latter option was indeed what I was hoping for. One of the sites
which exhibits the problem is my domain registrar/web host, so I guess
I'll start with them, they are at least more than technically savvy
enough to understand the problem. With a lot of the outsourced
customer service you get these days, I pretty much despair of getting
somebody with fractured English to even understand what the problem is
in the first place. :(

Brian.

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Brian
1/11/2018 5:23:07 AM
On 1/10/2018 at 3:43 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
> On 01/10/2018 12:04 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>> On 1/10/2018 at 8:05 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
> 
>>> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's definitely an
>>> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change the
>>> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
>>> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't have
>>> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
>>> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it will
>>> turn red.
>>>
>>> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it would
>>> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
>>> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
>>> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents across to
>>> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a delay
>>> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian.
>>>
>>
>> I do not see the hover action here.  When I go to a page/form like
>>
>> <https://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php>
>>
>> I see the form <input> fields black, with white text, and a red border.
>>
>> Could you post a URL where you're seeing this?
>>
>>
> 
> It happens on your site, Ed - the contact_ej URL. The boxes are
> invisible (white on white) until I hover over them, when they turn a
> sort of sickly-looking red. The colour is definitely NOT permanent,
> it's only while the cursor is over them or the box has focus.
> 

The CSS I originally posted simply cannot affect hover.  Perhaps you can 
post exactly what you put into your userContent.css file.

-- 
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
How come abbreviated is such a long word?
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Ed
1/11/2018 3:13:58 PM
On 01/11/2018 10:13 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/10/2018 at 3:43 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> On 01/10/2018 12:04 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> On 1/10/2018 at 8:05 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>>
>>>> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's definitely an
>>>> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change the
>>>> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
>>>> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't have
>>>> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
>>>> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it
>>>> will
>>>> turn red.
>>>>
>>>> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it
>>>> would
>>>> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
>>>> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
>>>> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents
>>>> across to
>>>> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a delay
>>>> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do not see the hover action here.  When I go to a page/form like
>>>
>>> <https://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php>
>>>
>>> I see the form <input> fields black, with white text, and a red
>>> border.
>>>
>>> Could you post a URL where you're seeing this?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It happens on your site, Ed - the contact_ej URL. The boxes are
>> invisible (white on white) until I hover over them, when they turn a
>> sort of sickly-looking red. The colour is definitely NOT permanent,
>> it's only while the cursor is over them or the box has focus.
>>
> 
> The CSS I originally posted simply cannot affect hover.  Perhaps you
> can post exactly what you put into your userContent.css file.
> 

I cut and pasted what you wrote, but here you go...

(Pasted as quotation to avoid line-wrapping).

> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ pwd
> /home/brian/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome
> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ cat userChrome.css
> /*
>  * Edit this file and copy it as userChrome.css into your
>  * profile-directory/chrome/
>  */
> 
> /*
>  * This file can be used to customize the look of Mozilla's user interface
>  * You should consider using !important on rules which you want to
>  * override default settings.
>  */
> 
> /*
>  * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct functioning
>  */
> @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* set default namespace to XUL */
> 
> 
> /*
>  * Some possible accessibility enhancements:
>  */
> /*
>  * Make all the default font sizes 20 pt:
>  *
>  * * {
>  *   font-size: 20pt !important
>  * }
>  */
> /*
>  * Make menu items in particular 15 pt instead of the default size:
>  *
>  * menupopup > * {
>  *   font-size: 15pt !important
>  * }
>  */
> /*
>  * Give the Location (URL) Bar a fixed-width font
>  *
>  * #urlbar {
>  *    font-family: monospace !important;
>  * }
>  */
> 
> input {
> background-color: black !important;
> color: white !important;
> border: 4px solid red; !important
> } 
> 
> /*
>  * For more examples see http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
>  */
>  
> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ 

I can e-mail you screen shots of the cursor hovering over the box and
elsewhere on the screen if you wish, just ask.


Brian.
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Brian
1/11/2018 9:18:02 PM
On 1/11/2018 at 4:18 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
> On 01/11/2018 10:13 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>> On 1/10/2018 at 3:43 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>>> On 01/10/2018 12:04 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>> On 1/10/2018 at 8:05 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>>>
>>>>> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's definitely an
>>>>> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change the
>>>>> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
>>>>> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't have
>>>>> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
>>>>> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it
>>>>> will
>>>>> turn red.
>>>>>
>>>>> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it
>>>>> would
>>>>> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
>>>>> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
>>>>> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents
>>>>> across to
>>>>> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a delay
>>>>> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not see the hover action here.  When I go to a page/form like
>>>>
>>>> <https://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php>
>>>>
>>>> I see the form <input> fields black, with white text, and a red
>>>> border.
>>>>
>>>> Could you post a URL where you're seeing this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It happens on your site, Ed - the contact_ej URL. The boxes are
>>> invisible (white on white) until I hover over them, when they turn a
>>> sort of sickly-looking red. The colour is definitely NOT permanent,
>>> it's only while the cursor is over them or the box has focus.
>>>
>>
>> The CSS I originally posted simply cannot affect hover.  Perhaps you
>> can post exactly what you put into your userContent.css file.
>>
> 
> I cut and pasted what you wrote, but here you go...
> 
> (Pasted as quotation to avoid line-wrapping).
> 
>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ pwd
>> /home/brian/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome
>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ cat userChrome.css
>> /*
>>   * Edit this file and copy it as userChrome.css into your
>>   * profile-directory/chrome/
>>   */
>>
>> /*
>>   * This file can be used to customize the look of Mozilla's user interface
>>   * You should consider using !important on rules which you want to
>>   * override default settings.
>>   */
>>
>> /*
>>   * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct functioning
>>   */
>> @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* set default namespace to XUL */
>>
>>
>> /*
>>   * Some possible accessibility enhancements:
>>   */
>> /*
>>   * Make all the default font sizes 20 pt:
>>   *
>>   * * {
>>   *   font-size: 20pt !important
>>   * }
>>   */
>> /*
>>   * Make menu items in particular 15 pt instead of the default size:
>>   *
>>   * menupopup > * {
>>   *   font-size: 15pt !important
>>   * }
>>   */
>> /*
>>   * Give the Location (URL) Bar a fixed-width font
>>   *
>>   * #urlbar {
>>   *    font-family: monospace !important;
>>   * }
>>   */
>>
>> input {
>> background-color: black !important;
>> color: white !important;
>> border: 4px solid red; !important
>> }
>>
>> /*
>>   * For more examples see http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
>>   */
>>   
>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$
> 
> I can e-mail you screen shots of the cursor hovering over the box and
> elsewhere on the screen if you wish, just ask.
> 
> 
> Brian.
> 

 From the above CSS there is nothing to affect hover.  Something else is 
going on, possibly the particular page you're on?


-- 
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Ed
1/12/2018 2:37:53 PM
On 01/12/2018 09:37 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/11/2018 at 4:18 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> On 01/11/2018 10:13 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> On 1/10/2018 at 3:43 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>>>> On 01/10/2018 12:04 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>>> On 1/10/2018 at 8:05 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital
>>>>> genius:
>>>>
>>>>>> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's
>>>>>> definitely an
>>>>>> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
>>>>>> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
>>>>>> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> turn red.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
>>>>>> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
>>>>>> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents
>>>>>> across to
>>>>>> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a
>>>>>> delay
>>>>>> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not see the hover action here.  When I go to a page/form like
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php>
>>>>>
>>>>> I see the form <input> fields black, with white text, and a red
>>>>> border.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you post a URL where you're seeing this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It happens on your site, Ed - the contact_ej URL. The boxes are
>>>> invisible (white on white) until I hover over them, when they turn a
>>>> sort of sickly-looking red. The colour is definitely NOT permanent,
>>>> it's only while the cursor is over them or the box has focus.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The CSS I originally posted simply cannot affect hover.  Perhaps you
>>> can post exactly what you put into your userContent.css file.
>>>
>>
>> I cut and pasted what you wrote, but here you go...
>>
>> (Pasted as quotation to avoid line-wrapping).
>>
>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ pwd
>>> /home/brian/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome
>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ cat
>>> userChrome.css
>>> /*
>>>   * Edit this file and copy it as userChrome.css into your
>>>   * profile-directory/chrome/
>>>   */
>>>
>>> /*
>>>   * This file can be used to customize the look of Mozilla's user
>>> interface
>>>   * You should consider using !important on rules which you want to
>>>   * override default settings.
>>>   */
>>>
>>> /*
>>>   * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
>>> functioning
>>>   */
>>> @namespace
>>> url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul");
>>> /* set default namespace to XUL */
>>>
>>>
>>> /*
>>>   * Some possible accessibility enhancements:
>>>   */
>>> /*
>>>   * Make all the default font sizes 20 pt:
>>>   *
>>>   * * {
>>>   *   font-size: 20pt !important
>>>   * }
>>>   */
>>> /*
>>>   * Make menu items in particular 15 pt instead of the default size:
>>>   *
>>>   * menupopup > * {
>>>   *   font-size: 15pt !important
>>>   * }
>>>   */
>>> /*
>>>   * Give the Location (URL) Bar a fixed-width font
>>>   *
>>>   * #urlbar {
>>>   *    font-family: monospace !important;
>>>   * }
>>>   */
>>>
>>> input {
>>> background-color: black !important;
>>> color: white !important;
>>> border: 4px solid red; !important
>>> }
>>>
>>> /*
>>>   * For more examples see http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
>>>   */
>>>   brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$
>>
>> I can e-mail you screen shots of the cursor hovering over the box and
>> elsewhere on the screen if you wish, just ask.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> From the above CSS there is nothing to affect hover.  Something else
> is going on, possibly the particular page you're on?
> 

Sorry for the delayed reply. I'd hoped that the fact that I can see it
happen on the URL you gave on your site might have indicated what was
going on - but I will do a survey through a bunch of sites sometime
today.

Brian.

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Brian
1/13/2018 6:15:32 AM
On 01/12/2018 09:37 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/11/2018 at 4:18 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> On 01/11/2018 10:13 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> On 1/10/2018 at 3:43 PM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>>>> On 01/10/2018 12:04 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>>> On 1/10/2018 at 8:05 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital
>>>>> genius:
>>>>
>>>>>> OK, I tried it when rebooting the PC from scratch. It's
>>>>>> definitely an
>>>>>> improvement for sure - what this code appears to do is to change
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> colour of the data entry box to red *when the mouse is hovered over
>>>>>> it*. The box is still almost invisible (even to me, and I don't
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> macular degeneration) when the cursor is outside it, but move the
>>>>>> mouse around where you think the data entry box should be, and it
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> turn red.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So thanks for that, Ed, it's a great help as far as it goes - it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be better if there was some way of changing the colour of the box
>>>>>> irrespective of the position of the mouse, but this is a definite
>>>>>> starter. Now I'll copy the chrome directory and its contents
>>>>>> across to
>>>>>> Pat's PC and see what happens there, but again, there will be a
>>>>>> delay
>>>>>> in my reporting back, probably not until this afternoon or evening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not see the hover action here.  When I go to a page/form like
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://edmullen.net/contact_ej.php>
>>>>>
>>>>> I see the form <input> fields black, with white text, and a red
>>>>> border.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you post a URL where you're seeing this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It happens on your site, Ed - the contact_ej URL. The boxes are
>>>> invisible (white on white) until I hover over them, when they turn a
>>>> sort of sickly-looking red. The colour is definitely NOT permanent,
>>>> it's only while the cursor is over them or the box has focus.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The CSS I originally posted simply cannot affect hover.  Perhaps you
>>> can post exactly what you put into your userContent.css file.
>>>
>>
>> I cut and pasted what you wrote, but here you go...
>>
>> (Pasted as quotation to avoid line-wrapping).
>>
>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ pwd
>>> /home/brian/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome
>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ cat
>>> userChrome.css
>>> /*
>>>   * Edit this file and copy it as userChrome.css into your
>>>   * profile-directory/chrome/
>>>   */
>>>
>>> /*
>>>   * This file can be used to customize the look of Mozilla's user
>>> interface
>>>   * You should consider using !important on rules which you want to
>>>   * override default settings.
>>>   */
>>>
>>> /*
>>>   * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct
>>> functioning
>>>   */
>>> @namespace
>>> url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul");
>>> /* set default namespace to XUL */
>>>
>>>
>>> /*
>>>   * Some possible accessibility enhancements:
>>>   */
>>> /*
>>>   * Make all the default font sizes 20 pt:
>>>   *
>>>   * * {
>>>   *   font-size: 20pt !important
>>>   * }
>>>   */
>>> /*
>>>   * Make menu items in particular 15 pt instead of the default size:
>>>   *
>>>   * menupopup > * {
>>>   *   font-size: 15pt !important
>>>   * }
>>>   */
>>> /*
>>>   * Give the Location (URL) Bar a fixed-width font
>>>   *
>>>   * #urlbar {
>>>   *    font-family: monospace !important;
>>>   * }
>>>   */
>>>
>>> input {
>>> background-color: black !important;
>>> color: white !important;
>>> border: 4px solid red; !important
>>> }
>>>
>>> /*
>>>   * For more examples see http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
>>>   */
>>>   brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$
>>
>> I can e-mail you screen shots of the cursor hovering over the box and
>> elsewhere on the screen if you wish, just ask.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> From the above CSS there is nothing to affect hover.  Something else
> is going on, possibly the particular page you're on?
> 

Sorry for the delayed reply. I'd hoped that the fact that I can see it
happen on the URL you gave on your site might have indicated what was
going on - but I will do a survey through a bunch of sites sometime
today.

Brian.

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Brian
1/13/2018 6:16:19 AM
*-* On Thu, 11 Jan 2018, at 16:18:02 -0500,
*-* In Article 
<mailman.796.1515705514.2365.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>,
*-* Brian wrote
*-* About Re: Problems for a disabled user

> On 01/11/2018 10:13 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

           [ ... ]

>> The CSS I originally posted simply cannot affect hover.  Perhaps
>> you can post exactly what you put into your userContent.css file.
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> I cut and pasted what you wrote, but here you go...

> (Pasted as quotation to avoid line-wrapping).

>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ pwd
>> /home/brian/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome
>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ cat userChrome.css
----------------------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> /*
>>  * Edit this file and copy it as userChrome.css into your
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  * profile-directory/chrome/
>>  */

      It looks to me like you pasted Ed's code into the wrong file.

                                         Ken Whiton
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Ken
1/13/2018 8:33:31 AM
On 01/13/2018 03:33 AM, Ken Whiton wrote:
> *-* On Thu, 11 Jan 2018, at 16:18:02 -0500,
> *-* In Article
> <mailman.796.1515705514.2365.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>,
> *-* Brian wrote
> *-* About Re: Problems for a disabled user
> 
>> On 01/11/2018 10:13 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> 
>           [ ... ]
> 
>>> The CSS I originally posted simply cannot affect hover.  Perhaps
>>> you can post exactly what you put into your userContent.css file.
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>> I cut and pasted what you wrote, but here you go...
> 
>> (Pasted as quotation to avoid line-wrapping).
> 
>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ pwd
>>> /home/brian/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome
>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ cat
>>> userChrome.css
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>>> /*
>>>  * Edit this file and copy it as userChrome.css into your
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>  * profile-directory/chrome/
>>>  */
> 
>      It looks to me like you pasted Ed's code into the wrong file.
> 

Well spotted! OK, I'm off to fix it right now...

Brian.
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Brian
1/13/2018 2:38:20 PM
On 01/13/2018 09:38 AM, Brian wrote:
> On 01/13/2018 03:33 AM, Ken Whiton wrote:
>> *-* On Thu, 11 Jan 2018, at 16:18:02 -0500,
>> *-* In Article
>> <mailman.796.1515705514.2365.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>,
>> *-* Brian wrote
>> *-* About Re: Problems for a disabled user
>>
>>> On 01/11/2018 10:13 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>
>>           [ ... ]
>>
>>>> The CSS I originally posted simply cannot affect hover.  Perhaps
>>>> you can post exactly what you put into your userContent.css file.
>>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>> I cut and pasted what you wrote, but here you go...
>>
>>> (Pasted as quotation to avoid line-wrapping).
>>
>>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ pwd
>>>> /home/brian/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome
>>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ cat
>>>> userChrome.css
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>>> /*
>>>>  * Edit this file and copy it as userChrome.css into your
>>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>  * profile-directory/chrome/
>>>>  */
>>
>>      It looks to me like you pasted Ed's code into the wrong file.
>>
> 
> Well spotted! OK, I'm off to fix it right now...
> 

OK, I Put Ed's code into userContent.css not userChrome.css. The
effects are exactly the same - the box turns red when I hover over it,
but is back to the barely-visible scheme when the cursor is outside
the box.

So, good spot Ken, and I'm sorry for the mistake Ed, but it does
appear that it makes no difference which file contains your code,
userChrome.css or userContent.css, the effect is the same.

I'll go back to trying a few sites later today and will see whether I
can see anything different on other sites.


Brian.

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Brian
1/13/2018 2:52:34 PM
On 1/13/2018 at 9:52 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
> On 01/13/2018 09:38 AM, Brian wrote:
>> On 01/13/2018 03:33 AM, Ken Whiton wrote:
>>> *-* On Thu, 11 Jan 2018, at 16:18:02 -0500,
>>> *-* In Article
>>> <mailman.796.1515705514.2365.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>,
>>> *-* Brian wrote
>>> *-* About Re: Problems for a disabled user
>>>
>>>> On 01/11/2018 10:13 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>
>>>            [ ... ]
>>>
>>>>> The CSS I originally posted simply cannot affect hover.  Perhaps
>>>>> you can post exactly what you put into your userContent.css file.
>>>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>> I cut and pasted what you wrote, but here you go...
>>>
>>>> (Pasted as quotation to avoid line-wrapping).
>>>
>>>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ pwd
>>>>> /home/brian/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome
>>>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ cat
>>>>> userChrome.css
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>>> /*
>>>>>   * Edit this file and copy it as userChrome.css into your
>>>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>   * profile-directory/chrome/
>>>>>   */
>>>
>>>       It looks to me like you pasted Ed's code into the wrong file.
>>>
>>
>> Well spotted! OK, I'm off to fix it right now...
>>
> 
> OK, I Put Ed's code into userContent.css not userChrome.css. The
> effects are exactly the same - the box turns red when I hover over it,
> but is back to the barely-visible scheme when the cursor is outside
> the box.
> 
> So, good spot Ken, and I'm sorry for the mistake Ed, but it does
> appear that it makes no difference which file contains your code,
> userChrome.css or userContent.css, the effect is the same.
> 
> I'll go back to trying a few sites later today and will see whether I
> can see anything different on other sites.
> 
> 
> Brian.
> 

Did you remove the code from userChrome.css?


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Ed
1/13/2018 4:51:36 PM
On 01/13/2018 11:51 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 1/13/2018 at 9:52 AM, Brian created this epitome of digital genius:
>> On 01/13/2018 09:38 AM, Brian wrote:
>>> On 01/13/2018 03:33 AM, Ken Whiton wrote:
>>>> *-* On Thu, 11 Jan 2018, at 16:18:02 -0500,
>>>> *-* In Article
>>>> <mailman.796.1515705514.2365.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>,
>>>> *-* Brian wrote
>>>> *-* About Re: Problems for a disabled user
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/11/2018 10:13 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>            [ ... ]
>>>>
>>>>>> The CSS I originally posted simply cannot affect hover.  Perhaps
>>>>>> you can post exactly what you put into your userContent.css file.
>>>>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>>> I cut and pasted what you wrote, but here you go...
>>>>
>>>>> (Pasted as quotation to avoid line-wrapping).
>>>>
>>>>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ pwd
>>>>>> /home/brian/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome
>>>>>> brian@brian-ubuntu:~/.mozilla/firefox/d0xzed00.default/chrome$ cat
>>>>>> userChrome.css
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> /*
>>>>>>   * Edit this file and copy it as userChrome.css into your
>>>>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>   * profile-directory/chrome/
>>>>>>   */
>>>>
>>>>       It looks to me like you pasted Ed's code into the wrong file.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well spotted! OK, I'm off to fix it right now...
>>>
>>
>> OK, I Put Ed's code into userContent.css not userChrome.css. The
>> effects are exactly the same - the box turns red when I hover over it,
>> but is back to the barely-visible scheme when the cursor is outside
>> the box.
>>
>> So, good spot Ken, and I'm sorry for the mistake Ed, but it does
>> appear that it makes no difference which file contains your code,
>> userChrome.css or userContent.css, the effect is the same.
>>
>> I'll go back to trying a few sites later today and will see whether I
>> can see anything different on other sites.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
> 
> Did you remove the code from userChrome.css?
> 
> 

Yes! In fact, given I previously only had the two example files, I
deleted userChrome.css. We're therefore at the state we would have
been in had I not got the names crossed over in the first place. I
added your code to userContent.css having copied the example file to
create that file.


Brian.





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Brian
1/13/2018 6:34:42 PM
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