SeaMonkey Status Meeting - Sunday, 23 April 2017

Agenda: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-04-23
NOTE: There was a 1-week gap due to the Easter holidays

* 23 April, 14:00 UTC, 10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong
* Other timezones:
<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=23&month=4&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0>
* IRC channel #seamonkey - irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey

Hi everybody,

We're doing another instance of our biweekly SeaMonkey Status meetings on IRC.

Please add agenda items we should discuss, we're trying to get a good
view there where the SeaMonkey project is right now, what the progress
is compared to last time and where we are headed.

Main agenda items:
   - Action Items
   - Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree
   - Release Train
   - Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking
   - 2.x (Last, Current, Next)
   - Feature List, Planning
   - Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

If you can't participate, please remember to fill in all the info you
can tell us in the wiki.

Best regards and see you next Sunday.
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4/20/2017 6:32:31 PM
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This part is sad: "OPEN

Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support 
staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future. frg will prepare 
an "asking for help" draft for the council. When final it will be posted 
in the various SeaMonkey newsgroups. " :(


On 4/20/2017 11:32 AM, RSX11M wrote:
> Agenda: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-04-23
> NOTE: There was a 1-week gap due to the Easter holidays
>
> * 23 April, 14:00 UTC, 10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong
> * Other timezones:
> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=23&month=4&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0>
> * IRC channel #seamonkey - irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> We're doing another instance of our biweekly SeaMonkey Status meetings on IRC.
>
> Please add agenda items we should discuss, we're trying to get a good
> view there where the SeaMonkey project is right now, what the progress
> is compared to last time and where we are headed.
>
> Main agenda items:
>    - Action Items
>    - Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree
>    - Release Train
>    - Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking
>    - 2.x (Last, Current, Next)
>    - Feature List, Planning
>    - Roundtable - Personal Status Updates
>
> If you can't participate, please remember to fill in all the info you
> can tell us in the wiki.
>
> Best regards and see you next Sunday.
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Ant
4/21/2017 6:31:48 AM
On 04/21/2017 01:31 AM, Ant wrote:

> Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support
> staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future. ...

Advertise the need in a non-ephemeral manner. Ant mentioned that an 
appeal for help is being prepared to be "posted in the various SeaMonkey 
newsgroups." That will be seen by *CURRENT* users. It is unlikely to be 
seen by *FUTURE* users.

I suggest creating a web page devoted to _Volunteer Opportunities_. It 
should list not only skill sets needed but {perhaps more importantly} an 
invitation to those of various skill *levels*. There should be a link to 
that page in at least two places:
   1. https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ I suggest immediately below the
      link to "Release Notes".
   2. in the Help menu that is at the top of each SeaMonkey page.



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Richard
4/21/2017 12:34:55 PM
The draft were we stand, what we plan and what we need is currently prepared. 
Should hopefully go out next week. I agree that it should also go on the 
webpage. This needs some other changes too because the development page is so 
out of date the middle ages look recent compared to it :)

FRG

Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/21/2017 01:31 AM, Ant wrote:
> 
>> Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support
>> staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future. ...
> 
> Advertise the need in a non-ephemeral manner. Ant mentioned that an appeal for 
> help is being prepared to be "posted in the various SeaMonkey newsgroups." 
> That will be seen by *CURRENT* users. It is unlikely to be seen by *FUTURE* 
> users.
> 
> I suggest creating a web page devoted to _Volunteer Opportunities_. It should 
> list not only skill sets needed but {perhaps more importantly} an invitation 
> to those of various skill *levels*. There should be a link to that page in at 
> least two places:
>    1. https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ I suggest immediately below the
>       link to "Release Notes".
>    2. in the Help menu that is at the top of each SeaMonkey page.
> 
> 
> 

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Frank
4/21/2017 2:22:21 PM
I'll not claim to be competent coder/programmer.
I might be useful as proofreader.
Could you send me the draft *off list* as test?
YMMV ;/


On 04/21/2017 09:22 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> The draft were we stand, what we plan and what we need is currently
> prepared. Should hopefully go out next week. I agree that it should also
> go on the webpage. This needs some other changes too because the
> development page is so out of date the middle ages look recent compared
> to it :)
>
> FRG
>
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 04/21/2017 01:31 AM, Ant wrote:
>>
>>> Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support
>>> staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future. ...
>>
>> Advertise the need in a non-ephemeral manner. Ant mentioned that an
>> appeal for help is being prepared to be "posted in the various
>> SeaMonkey newsgroups." That will be seen by *CURRENT* users. It is
>> unlikely to be seen by *FUTURE* users.
>>
>> I suggest creating a web page devoted to _Volunteer Opportunities_. It
>> should list not only skill sets needed but {perhaps more importantly}
>> an invitation to those of various skill *levels*. There should be a
>> link to that page in at least two places:
>>    1. https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ I suggest immediately below the
>>       link to "Release Notes".
>>    2. in the Help menu that is at the top of each SeaMonkey page.
>>
>>
>>
>

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Richard
4/21/2017 7:34:43 PM
Count me in, too.

While I'm not a native English speaker, I can prepare a localized (Russian) v=
ersion of the document and submit it to the Russian open-source related web r=
esources like http://linux.org.ru.

Regards,
Andrey.

> On 21 Apr 2017, at 22:34, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>=20
> I'll not claim to be competent coder/programmer.
> I might be useful as proofreader.
> Could you send me the draft *off list* as test?
> YMMV ;/
>=20
>=20
>> On 04/21/2017 09:22 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>> The draft were we stand, what we plan and what we need is currently
>> prepared. Should hopefully go out next week. I agree that it should also
>> go on the webpage. This needs some other changes too because the
>> development page is so out of date the middle ages look recent compared
>> to it :)
>>=20
>> FRG
>>=20
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>> On 04/21/2017 01:31 AM, Ant wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support
>>>> staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future. ...
>>>=20
>>> Advertise the need in a non-ephemeral manner. Ant mentioned that an
>>> appeal for help is being prepared to be "posted in the various
>>> SeaMonkey newsgroups." That will be seen by *CURRENT* users. It is
>>> unlikely to be seen by *FUTURE* users.
>>>=20
>>> I suggest creating a web page devoted to _Volunteer Opportunities_. It
>>> should list not only skill sets needed but {perhaps more importantly}
>>> an invitation to those of various skill *levels*. There should be a
>>> link to that page in at least two places:
>>>   1. https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ I suggest immediately below the
>>>      link to "Release Notes".
>>>   2. in the Help menu that is at the top of each SeaMonkey page.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
>=20
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Andrey
4/21/2017 8:13:47 PM
Andrey ``Bass'' Shcheglov wrote:

> Count me in, too.
>
> While I'm not a native English speaker, I can prepare a localized
> (Russian) version of the document and submit it to the Russian
> open-source related web resources like http://linux.org.ru.

А если возникнут какие-либо трудности с пониманием английского текста, 
спросите меня -- я переводчик со опытом 32 лет (с русского на родной 
английский)!

And if you have any trouble understanding the English text, ask me -- 
I'm a translator with 32 years' experience (from Russian to my native 
English).

-- 
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher

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Paul
4/21/2017 9:12:21 PM
Thanks.

Need to check with the other council members first if they consider the 
document done. Wouldn't want to have drafts floating around.

If someone wants to build SeaMonkey under Windows 7+ x64 I have a detailed 
document available. Took me a few days when I started to set it up because the 
information was scattered over several Mozilla webpages and not always 
accurate. Just mail me then. Thought about doing the same for Linux but 
somehow every distribution adds a kink or two so I just set up a vm for 
building and didn't do it :)

FRG

Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'll not claim to be competent coder/programmer.
> I might be useful as proofreader.
> Could you send me the draft *off list* as test?
> YMMV ;/
> 
> 
> On 04/21/2017 09:22 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>> The draft were we stand, what we plan and what we need is currently
>> prepared. Should hopefully go out next week. I agree that it should also
>> go on the webpage. This needs some other changes too because the
>> development page is so out of date the middle ages look recent compared
>> to it :)
>>
>> FRG
>>
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> On 04/21/2017 01:31 AM, Ant wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support
>>>> staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future. ...
>>>
>>> Advertise the need in a non-ephemeral manner. Ant mentioned that an
>>> appeal for help is being prepared to be "posted in the various
>>> SeaMonkey newsgroups." That will be seen by *CURRENT* users. It is
>>> unlikely to be seen by *FUTURE* users.
>>>
>>> I suggest creating a web page devoted to _Volunteer Opportunities_. It
>>> should list not only skill sets needed but {perhaps more importantly}
>>> an invitation to those of various skill *levels*. There should be a
>>> link to that page in at least two places:
>>>    1. https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ I suggest immediately below the
>>>       link to "Release Notes".
>>>    2. in the Help menu that is at the top of each SeaMonkey page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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Frank
4/22/2017 8:11:22 AM
It's such a small world =)

Regards,
Andrey.

On 22.04.2017 0:12, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> 
> And if you have any trouble understanding the English text, ask me --
> I'm a translator with 32 years' experience (from Russian to my native
> English).
> 
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Andrey
4/24/2017 11:34:48 AM
As a followup. I received some corrections yesterday. Will put them in the 
draf and then send it for proof-reading to the people who wanted to help.

FRG

Andrey ``Bass'' Shcheglov wrote:
> It's such a small world =)
> 
> Regards,
> Andrey.
> 
> On 22.04.2017 0:12, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> And if you have any trouble understanding the English text, ask me --
>> I'm a translator with 32 years' experience (from Russian to my native
>> English).
>>

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Frank
4/24/2017 11:56:30 AM
On 4/21/17 11:12 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> I'm a translator with 32 years' experience (from Russian to my native 
> English).

Hallo,

May be some of the readers here with Russian language knowledge are 
interested in helping to keep the Russian Translation up to date?
It is not trivial to create a patch "ready to push", but there are many 
other possibilities to help.
For example:

a) check whether Russian Language Packs still are affected although a 
bug from list 
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13551067&resolution=FIXED&classification=Client%20Software&chfieldto=Now&chfield=resolution&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=-720d&chfieldvalue=FIXED&component=Help%20Documentation&product=SeaMonkey> 
already has become fixed for en-US

b) Prepare some Russian basic HTML-text  (SeaMonky composer) which can 
be used as source for a patch. Example: "Bug 1065843 - there is no help 
for entering mathematical formulas" 
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1065843>. I checked 
"composer_help.xhtml" from 2.46 russian language pack, and it still is 
affected. With a LP from Adrian Kalla's repository 
<https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/> 
you can check whether seamonkey-2.52a1.ru.langpack.xpi still shows the 
issue, and you can create a Russian help text.

(b) Is something rather demanding, 
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1178164> is a more simple 
text.
Or may be someone would like to create a a (Russian) Localization for 
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/amo-browsing-for-seamonkey/?src=ss>?

There are lots of possibilities to help.

-- 
Rainer

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Rainer
4/24/2017 2:43:39 PM
SeaMonkey itself seems to be well translated:

https://l10n.mozilla.org/teams/ru

FRG
Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> On 4/21/17 11:12 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>> I'm a translator with 32 years' experience (from Russian to my native English).
> 
> Hallo,
> 
> May be some of the readers here with Russian language knowledge are interested 
> in helping to keep the Russian Translation up to date?
> It is not trivial to create a patch "ready to push", but there are many other 
> possibilities to help.
> For example:
> 
> a) check whether Russian Language Packs still are affected although a bug from 
> list 
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13551067&resolution=FIXED&classification=Client%20Software&chfieldto=Now&chfield=resolution&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=-720d&chfieldvalue=FIXED&component=Help%20Documentation&product=SeaMonkey> 
> already has become fixed for en-US
> 
> b) Prepare some Russian basic HTML-text  (SeaMonky composer) which can be used 
> as source for a patch. Example: "Bug 1065843 - there is no help for entering 
> mathematical formulas" <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1065843>. 
> I checked "composer_help.xhtml" from 2.46 russian language pack, and it still 
> is affected. With a LP from Adrian Kalla's repository 
> <https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/> you 
> can check whether seamonkey-2.52a1.ru.langpack.xpi still shows the issue, and 
> you can create a Russian help text.
> 
> (b) Is something rather demanding, 
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1178164> is a more simple text.
> Or may be someone would like to create a a (Russian) Localization for 
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/amo-browsing-for-seamonkey/?src=ss>? 
> 
> 
> There are lots of possibilities to help.
> 

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Frank
4/24/2017 2:55:20 PM
On 4/24/17 4:55 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> SeaMonkey itself seems to be well translated:


Hi,

unfortunately that page tells me nothing.


And definitively most of the Help fixes form 2016 became translated to 
no other language at all.


CU


Rainer
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Rainer
4/24/2017 3:17:41 PM
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