SeaMonkey 2.53.5 released!

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
out.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/




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Edmund
11/16/2020 4:23:46 AM
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Edmund Wong wrote on 16/11/20 15:23:
> Greetings,
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.

That's all right, Edmund! We'll just dock half the wages you receive 
from the SeaMonkey Project for the delay! ;-P

> So please check out [1] or [2].
> 
> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
> out.

Really?? You're giving us SM 2.53.5 .... but you're just getting ready 
to release SM 2.53.1?? Really?? ;-P

> Thanks to all involved.
> 
> Edmund
> 
> Links:
> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/

Thanks to the whole team for your ongoing efforts!!
-- 
Daniel

Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134

Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623
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Daniel
11/16/2020 6:45:18 AM

Daniel wrote:
> Edmund Wong wrote on 16/11/20 15:23:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
>> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
>> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.
> 
> That's all right, Edmund! We'll just dock half the wages you receive from the 
> SeaMonkey Project for the delay! ;-P
> 
>> So please check out [1] or [2].
>>
>> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
>> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
>> out.
> 
> Really?? You're giving us SM 2.53.5 .... but you're just getting ready to 
> release SM 2.53.1?? Really?? ;-P
> 
>> Thanks to all involved.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>> Links:
>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
> 
> Thanks to the whole team for your ongoing efforts!!

2.53.5.1 will basically add some preliminary support for macOS Big Sur (might 
fully work might not) and correct av1 detection. The last one is a minor issue 
and everyone should update to 2.53.5 till 2.53.5.1 is ready.

FRG
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Frank
11/16/2020 11:11:30 AM
SM 2.53.5 Linux x86 seems significantly more stable than previous 
releases going back several years. A malloc() return being checked that 
wasn't before?

Many thanks
/df

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London
UK
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Dirk
11/16/2020 1:23:54 PM
The UA string claims FF60 but the Array method values() that is 
available in FF60 is still missing.

This polyfill definition is provided in the MDN page:

Array.prototype.values = function () {
     return this[Symbol.iterator]();
};

I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to put this in the .2 or so release?

Or enable the code from 
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1420101> that was removed 
because of a bug in Microsoft Dynamics?

The bug text also offers a more sophisticated polyfill:

Object.defineProperty(Array.prototype, "values",
     Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptor(Array.prototype, Symbol.iterator));

/df

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Dirk
11/16/2020 3:09:16 PM
On 11/15/2020 11:23 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.
> 
> So please check out [1] or [2].
> 
> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
> out.
> 
> Thanks to all involved.
> 
> Edmund
> 
> Links:
> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
> 

Thank you for still chugging away on this application.
Any idea when the 53.1 patch will be released? If it is very soon I will 
likely just wait for it before I update.
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Hawker
11/16/2020 3:30:02 PM
This is already in 2.53.6b1 pre. Added late in the game and found it too risky 
for 2.53.5 without much testing.

FRG

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
> The UA string claims FF60 but the Array method values() that is available in 
> FF60 is still missing.
> 
> This polyfill definition is provided in the MDN page:
> 
> Array.prototype.values = function () {
>      return this[Symbol.iterator]();
> };
> 
> I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to put this in the .2 or so release?
> 
> Or enable the code from <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1420101> 
> that was removed because of a bug in Microsoft Dynamics?
> 
> The bug text also offers a more sophisticated polyfill:
> 
> Object.defineProperty(Array.prototype, "values",
>      Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptor(Array.prototype, Symbol.iterator));
> 
> /df
> 
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Frank
11/16/2020 4:53:44 PM
Edmund Wong a écrit :
> Greetings,
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.
> 
> So please check out [1] or [2].
> 
> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
> out.
> 
> Thanks to all involved.
> 
> Edmund
> 
> Links:
> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
> 
> 
> 
> 
Updated on 3 computers: works well as expected.
I do not see any difference with previous one (2.53.4)
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jcteyssier
11/16/2020 7:28:05 PM
On 11/15/20 11:23 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.
> 
> So please check out [1] or [2].
> 
> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
> out.
> 
> Thanks to all involved.
> 
> Edmund
> 
> Links:
> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
> 
> 
> 
> 

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WaltS48
11/17/2020 1:54:01 PM
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The History / Bookmarks widget displays with a rectangular background 
under the <menubar> that doesn't match (paler in default theme) the 
<toolbar> on which it resides.

As in the attached file, the layout should embed the <menubar>, and the 
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Dirk
11/18/2020 4:54:03 PM
Mon, 16 Nov 2020 12:23:46 +0800, /Edmund Wong/:

> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5

Just want to get a confirmation it is likely a false positive:

Windows 10 (Windows Defender/Security) flags the installer 
(seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe) to contain "Potentially 
Unwanted Software": PUA:Win32/Caypnamer.A!ml

Are others on Windows 10 getting this?

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Stanimir
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Stanimir
11/18/2020 5:28:24 PM
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> Mon, 16 Nov 2020 12:23:46 +0800, /Edmund Wong/:
> 
>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
> 
> Just want to get a confirmation it is likely a false positive:
> 
> Windows 10 (Windows Defender/Security) flags the installer 
> (seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe) to contain "Potentially Unwanted 
> Software": PUA:Win32/Caypnamer.A!ml
> 
> Are others on Windows 10 getting this?
> 

Donwloaded again and compared with the one I did get directly from the build 
server. 100% identical. After building I installed it in several of my Windows 
10 vms and two laptops without Windows defender making even a little beep. Has 
now been a few days ago but looks like a 99.99999% false positive.

SHA256: fb546afd5d674e69a717a2d742c7b507c585a818ce2f025637d49da917d0be0c 
*seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe

FRG
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Frank
11/18/2020 7:03:47 PM
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>>
>> Are others on Windows 10 getting this?
>>
> 
> Donwloaded again and compared with the one I did get directly from the 
> build server. 100% identical. After building I installed it in several 
> of my Windows 10 vms and two laptops without Windows defender making 
> even a little beep. Has 
> now been a few days ago but looks like a 99.99999% false positive.
> 
> SHA256: fb546afd5d674e69a717a2d742c7b507c585a818ce2f025637d49da917d0be0c 
> *seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe


For what it's worth, I took my own download of that file (taken from the 
normal location at 
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.5/win64/en-US/ 
), and I confirm the same SHA256 value.

I submitted to https://www.virustotal.com/gui/ .  On scanning, 
VirusTotal confirms the same SHA256 value, and reports all-clean reports 
from 71 scanners (including Microsoft), although it reports that Cylance 
considers the file to be unsafe.

The only time I've ever heard of Cylance is when using VirusTotal, and 
if I recall, their scanner tends to be exceptionally aggressive, and 
where they're more likely to flag things that nearly every other scanner 
considers to be clean.

I consider that consensus to be overwhelming, and where the response I 
see with Cylance, and what was reported with Microsoft to be false 
positives.

Smith
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NFN
11/18/2020 7:38:26 PM
Wed, 18 Nov 2020 20:03:47 +0100, /Frank-Rainer Grahl/:
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>> Mon, 16 Nov 2020 12:23:46 +0800, /Edmund Wong/:
>>
>>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>>
>> Just want to get a confirmation it is likely a false positive:
>>
>> Windows 10 (Windows Defender/Security) flags the installer 
>> (seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe) to contain "Potentially 
>> Unwanted Software": PUA:Win32/Caypnamer.A!ml
>>
>> Are others on Windows 10 getting this?
> 
> Donwloaded again and compared with the one I did get directly from the 
> build server. 100% identical. After building I installed it in several 
> of my Windows 10 vms and two laptops without Windows defender making 
> even a little beep. Has now been a few days ago but looks like a 
> 99.99999% false positive.
> 
> SHA256: fb546afd5d674e69a717a2d742c7b507c585a818ce2f025637d49da917d0be0c 
> *seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe

The SHA256 sum I'm getting locally is the just the same but I'm getting 
the threat flag consistently.  Anyway I'm going to ignore it.  Thanks 
for providing additional insurance for it.  Windows Defender seems very 
obscure on what and how it's doing.

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Stanimir
11/18/2020 7:54:53 PM
On 11/18/2020 11:54 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> Wed, 18 Nov 2020 20:03:47 +0100, /Frank-Rainer Grahl/:
>> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>> Mon, 16 Nov 2020 12:23:46 +0800, /Edmund Wong/:
>>>
>>>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>>>
>>> Just want to get a confirmation it is likely a false positive:
>>>
>>> Windows 10 (Windows Defender/Security) flags the installer 
>>> (seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe) to contain "Potentially 
>>> Unwanted Software": PUA:Win32/Caypnamer.A!ml
>>>
>>> Are others on Windows 10 getting this?
>>
>> Donwloaded again and compared with the one I did get directly from the 
>> build server. 100% identical. After building I installed it in several 
>> of my Windows 10 vms and two laptops without Windows defender making 
>> even a little beep. Has now been a few days ago but looks like a 
>> 99.99999% false positive.
>>
>> SHA256: 
>> fb546afd5d674e69a717a2d742c7b507c585a818ce2f025637d49da917d0be0c 
>> *seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe
> 
> The SHA256 sum I'm getting locally is the just the same but I'm getting 
> the threat flag consistently.  Anyway I'm going to ignore it.  Thanks 
> for providing additional insurance for it.  Windows Defender seems very 
> obscure on what and how it's doing.

Is there a way to report its false positive since it's new and not a 
popular file? I remember when Norton did this too in the past.
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Ant
11/18/2020 8:16:12 PM
Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:16:12 -0800, /Ant/:
> On 11/18/2020 11:54 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>> Wed, 18 Nov 2020 20:03:47 +0100, /Frank-Rainer Grahl/:
>>> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>>> Mon, 16 Nov 2020 12:23:46 +0800, /Edmund Wong/:
>>>>
>>>>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>>>>
>>>> Just want to get a confirmation it is likely a false positive:
>>>>
>>>> Windows 10 (Windows Defender/Security) flags the installer 
>>>> (seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe) to contain "Potentially 
>>>> Unwanted Software": PUA:Win32/Caypnamer.A!ml
>>>>
>>>> Are others on Windows 10 getting this?
>>>
>>> Donwloaded again and compared with the one I did get directly from 
>>> the build server. 100% identical. After building I installed it in 
>>> several of my Windows 10 vms and two laptops without Windows defender 
>>> making even a little beep. Has now been a few days ago but looks like 
>>> a 99.99999% false positive.
>>>
>>> SHA256: 
>>> fb546afd5d674e69a717a2d742c7b507c585a818ce2f025637d49da917d0be0c 
>>> *seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe
>>
>> The SHA256 sum I'm getting locally is the just the same but I'm 
>> getting the threat flag consistently.  Anyway I'm going to ignore it.  
>> Thanks for providing additional insurance for it.  Windows Defender 
>> seems very obscure on what and how it's doing.
> 
> Is there a way to report its false positive since it's new and not a 
> popular file? I remember when Norton did this too in the past.

Not seeing an option here:

https://i.imgur.com/gqYTGtM.png

I've been previously presented with such an option – to indicate online 
(on some Microsoft site) I'm trusting the source of a particular 
application which is unknown (and not digitally signed) to some 
Microsoft online screening service (don't remember the name but it's 
built-in to Windows).

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Stanimir
11/18/2020 8:39:31 PM

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:16:12 -0800, /Ant/:
>> On 11/18/2020 11:54 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>> Wed, 18 Nov 2020 20:03:47 +0100, /Frank-Rainer Grahl/:
>>>> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>>>> Mon, 16 Nov 2020 12:23:46 +0800, /Edmund Wong/:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>>>>>
>>>>> Just want to get a confirmation it is likely a false positive:
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 10 (Windows Defender/Security) flags the installer 
>>>>> (seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe) to contain "Potentially 
>>>>> Unwanted Software": PUA:Win32/Caypnamer.A!ml
>>>>>
>>>>> Are others on Windows 10 getting this?
>>>>
>>>> Donwloaded again and compared with the one I did get directly from the 
>>>> build server. 100% identical. After building I installed it in several of 
>>>> my Windows 10 vms and two laptops without Windows defender making even a 
>>>> little beep. Has now been a few days ago but looks like a 99.99999% false 
>>>> positive.
>>>>
>>>> SHA256: fb546afd5d674e69a717a2d742c7b507c585a818ce2f025637d49da917d0be0c 
>>>> *seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe
>>>
>>> The SHA256 sum I'm getting locally is the just the same but I'm getting the 
>>> threat flag consistently.  Anyway I'm going to ignore it. Thanks for 
>>> providing additional insurance for it.  Windows Defender seems very obscure 
>>> on what and how it's doing.
>>
>> Is there a way to report its false positive since it's new and not a popular 
>> file? I remember when Norton did this too in the past.
> 
> Not seeing an option here:
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/gqYTGtM.png
> 
> I've been previously presented with such an option – to indicate online (on 
> some Microsoft site) I'm trusting the source of a particular application which 
> is unknown (and not digitally signed) to some Microsoft online screening 
> service (don't remember the name but it's built-in to Windows).
> 
It says exe.part. Not sure if the rename to .exe failed when you downloaded 
the version and this is the problem you see.

FRG
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Frank
11/18/2020 8:52:47 PM
On 11/18/2020 12:39 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:16:12 -0800, /Ant/:
>> On 11/18/2020 11:54 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>> Wed, 18 Nov 2020 20:03:47 +0100, /Frank-Rainer Grahl/:
>>>> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>>>> Mon, 16 Nov 2020 12:23:46 +0800, /Edmund Wong/:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>>>>>
>>>>> Just want to get a confirmation it is likely a false positive:
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 10 (Windows Defender/Security) flags the installer 
>>>>> (seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe) to contain 
>>>>> "Potentially Unwanted Software": PUA:Win32/Caypnamer.A!ml
>>>>>
>>>>> Are others on Windows 10 getting this?
>>>>
>>>> Donwloaded again and compared with the one I did get directly from 
>>>> the build server. 100% identical. After building I installed it in 
>>>> several of my Windows 10 vms and two laptops without Windows 
>>>> defender making even a little beep. Has now been a few days ago but 
>>>> looks like a 99.99999% false positive.
>>>>
>>>> SHA256: 
>>>> fb546afd5d674e69a717a2d742c7b507c585a818ce2f025637d49da917d0be0c 
>>>> *seamonkey-2.53.5.en-US.win64.installer.exe
>>>
>>> The SHA256 sum I'm getting locally is the just the same but I'm 
>>> getting the threat flag consistently.  Anyway I'm going to ignore it. 
>>> Thanks for providing additional insurance for it.  Windows Defender 
>>> seems very obscure on what and how it's doing.
>>
>> Is there a way to report its false positive since it's new and not a 
>> popular file? I remember when Norton did this too in the past.
> 
> Not seeing an option here:
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/gqYTGtM.png
> 
> I've been previously presented with such an option – to indicate online 
> (on some Microsoft site) I'm trusting the source of a particular 
> application which is unknown (and not digitally signed) to some 
> Microsoft online screening service (don't remember the name but it's 
> built-in to Windows).

*.part is an incomplete download. Did you let it finish to 100%?
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Ant
11/19/2020 9:31:06 AM
On 11/15/2020 11:23 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.
> 
> So please check out [1] or [2].
> 
> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
> out.
> 
> Thanks to all involved.
> 
> Edmund
> 
> Links:
> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/


Thank you so much for getting this out so fast and your continued 
support of the project. Will update this weekend.
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Hawker
11/19/2020 2:35:45 PM
On 11/19/2020 6:35 AM, Hawker wrote:
....
> Thank you so much for getting this out so fast and your continued 
> support of the project. Will update this weekend.

And not now? ;)
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Ant
11/19/2020 6:03:18 PM
Hawker wrote:
> On 11/15/2020 11:23 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
>> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
>> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.
>>
>> So please check out [1] or [2].
>>
>> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
>> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
>> out.
>>
>> Thanks to all involved.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>> Links:
>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
> 
> 
> Thank you so much for getting this out so fast and your continued 
> support of the project. Will update this weekend.

You are aware that this is not the newest version?  2.53.5.1 is, see the 
release announcement for that level.

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Don
11/19/2020 6:54:23 PM
Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:52:47 +0100, /Frank-Rainer Grahl/:
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>> Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:16:12 -0800, /Ant/:
>>
>>> Is there a way to report its false positive since it's new and not a 
>>> popular file? I remember when Norton did this too in the past.
>>
>> Not seeing an option here:
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/gqYTGtM.png
>>
>> I've been previously presented with such an option – to indicate 
>> online (on some Microsoft site) I'm trusting the source of a 
>> particular application which is unknown (and not digitally signed) to 
>> some Microsoft online screening service (don't remember the name but 
>> it's built-in to Windows).
>
> It says exe.part. Not sure if the rename to .exe failed when you 
> downloaded the version and this is the problem you see.

It says it for both:

https://i.imgur.com/3LRE1aA.png

There's no .part file existing anymore.  Nothing's failed, just detected 
it a bit earlier while downloading previously.

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Stanimir
11/19/2020 7:28:10 PM
Thu, 19 Nov 2020 01:31:06 -0800, /Ant/:
> On 11/18/2020 12:39 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>
>> https://i.imgur.com/gqYTGtM.png
> 
> *.part is an incomplete download. Did you let it finish to 100%?

Yes, I've even installed it.  If you notice I've already posted that 
link with:

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 22:39:31 +0200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.5

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Stanimir
11/19/2020 7:31:35 PM
And now you can install 2.52.5.1 and enjoy better/working av1 deteaction and a 
security fix :)

FRG


Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> Thu, 19 Nov 2020 01:31:06 -0800, /Ant/:
>> On 11/18/2020 12:39 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>
>>> https://i.imgur.com/gqYTGtM.png
>>
>> *.part is an incomplete download. Did you let it finish to 100%?
> 
> Yes, I've even installed it.  If you notice I've already posted that link with:
> 
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 22:39:31 +0200
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
> SeaMonkey/2.53.5
> 
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Frank
11/19/2020 7:33:25 PM
Thu, 19 Nov 2020 20:33:25 +0100, /Frank-Rainer Grahl/:

> And now you can install 2.52.5.1 and enjoy better/working av1 deteaction 
> and a security fix :)

Yep, and the 2.53.5.1 installer doesn't trigger the same threat warning. 
  Thank you very much.


> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>> Thu, 19 Nov 2020 01:31:06 -0800, /Ant/:
>>> On 11/18/2020 12:39 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/gqYTGtM.png
>>>
>>> *.part is an incomplete download. Did you let it finish to 100%?
>>
>> Yes, I've even installed it.  If you notice I've already posted that 
>> link with:
>>
>> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 22:39:31 +0200
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
>> Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.5

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Stanimir
11/19/2020 7:43:58 PM
On 11/19/2020 11:33 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

> install 2.52.5.1 and enjoy better/working av1 deteaction 

Speaking of detection - any idea why html5test.com thinks WebP is not 
supported?  It also says No for Firefox, so this is not a SeaMonkey 
issue (it says Yes for Chrome, so it's detecting something differently).

And yes, WebP samples display just fine:
https://developers.google.com/speed/webp/gallery1
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Steve
11/19/2020 9:27:38 PM
On 11/19/2020 1:54 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
> Hawker wrote:
>> On 11/15/2020 11:23 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
>>> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
>>> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.
>>>
>>> So please check out [1] or [2].
>>>
>>> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
>>> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all involved.
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>>> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for getting this out so fast and your continued 
>> support of the project. Will update this weekend.
> 
> You are aware that this is not the newest version?  2.53.5.1 is, see the 
> release announcement for that level.
> 
yes commented on the wrong thread.
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Hawker
11/20/2020 1:46:25 AM
Steve Wendt wrote:
> On 11/19/2020 11:33 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> 
>> install 2.52.5.1 and enjoy better/working av1 deteaction 
> 
> Speaking of detection - any idea why html5test.com thinks WebP is not 
> supported?  It also says No for Firefox, so this is not a SeaMonkey issue (it 
> says Yes for Chrome, so it's detecting something differently).
> 
> And yes, WebP samples display just fine:
> https://developers.google.com/speed/webp/gallery1

A few things wrt html headers are missing. Was a bit murky to implement and 
needs more time. Given that we had added a lot of stuff to 2.53.5 and 2.53.6 
has a bunch of new stuff mostly in the build area too I don't think new 
changes for this minor issue will make it into the next release.

Personally I am not impressed by the format. Looks impressive on paper only. I 
doubt anyone other than google needs it in the real world and they are now 
already working on webp2.

As you pointed out pages with webp work and other might just serve you an 
alternate format and work too.

FRG
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Frank
11/20/2020 9:22:43 AM
On 20/11/2020 09:22, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Steve Wendt wrote:
>...>
>>
>> Speaking of detection - any idea why html5test.com thinks WebP is not 
>> supported?  It also says No for Firefox, so this is not a SeaMonkey 
>> issue (it says Yes for Chrome, so it's detecting something differently).
>...>
The test for Custom Elements looks for document.registerElement(), which 
is deprecated, and was supposed to be dropped from Chrome in February. 
This may give an idea of the quality of the tests.

Perhaps a new site html5testtest.com is needed?

/df

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Dirk
11/20/2020 12:01:42 PM
<html>
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
  </head>
  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2020 11:23 PM, Edmund Wong
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:wqWdndlwjfJOYyzCnZ2dnUU7-W2dnZ2d@mozilla.org">
      <pre wrap="">Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
out.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5">http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5</a>
[2] - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/">http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/</a>

</pre>
    </blockquote>
    The long list of "Know Issues" for 2.53.5 will keep me from
    upgrading.<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/">https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/</a><br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="78">-- 
"This is America!  You can't make a horse
 testify against himself!"          -Mister Ed</pre>
  </body>
</html>
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UTF
11/20/2020 12:43:44 PM
🐴 Mr. Ed 🐴 wrote:
> On 11/15/2020 11:23 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>>
>> Links:
>> [1] -http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>> [2] -http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
>>
> The long list of "Know Issues" for 2.53.5 will keep me from upgrading.
> https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
> 

Yes all deal breakers. Don't upgrade. The world might explode if a tab is not 
opened in the background from the bookmarks.2.49.5 was the last stable version 
ever! Wonder why I even care about later ones.

FRG
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Frank
11/20/2020 2:13:23 PM
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> 🐴 Mr. Ed 🐴 wrote:
>> On 11/15/2020 11:23 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> [1] -http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>>> [2] -http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
>>>
>> The long list of "Know Issues" for 2.53.5 will keep me from upgrading.
>> https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
>>
> 
> Yes all deal breakers. Don't upgrade. The world might explode if a tab 
> is not opened in the background from the bookmarks.2.49.5 was the last 
> stable version ever! Wonder why I even care about later ones.
> 
> FRG

It took OpenSuse until 10 days ago before they finally released a 2.53.x 
version via the standard repositories (their Mozilla Test repository has 
been kept current since around 21 April) and the reason for that was 
that there was apparently a loss of functionality between the last 
2.49.x level and the 2.53.x line.
Of course that does not explain why they stuck at 2.49.4 rather than 2.49.5.
This mattered to me because:
- a new version of OpenSuse Leap was released with 2.49.4
- the update process (I think) changed the default for html from Firefox 
to Seamonkey so opening an html page nuked my (migrated) Seamonkey profile.
At least that happened on my test machine so no real data was lost.

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Don
11/20/2020 5:41:10 PM
On 11/20/2020 1:22 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

> Personally I am not impressed by the format. Looks impressive on paper 
> only. I doubt anyone other than google needs it in the real world and 
> they are now already working on webp2.

I found this nice article a while back:
https://siipo.la/blog/is-webp-really-better-than-jpeg
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Steve
11/20/2020 7:44:43 PM
On 11/20/2020 4:01 AM, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

>>> Speaking of detection - any idea why html5test.com thinks WebP is not 
>>> supported?  It also says No for Firefox, so this is not a SeaMonkey 
>>> issue (it says Yes for Chrome, so it's detecting something differently).
>
> The test for Custom Elements looks for document.registerElement(), which 
> is deprecated, and was supposed to be dropped from Chrome in February. 
> This may give an idea of the quality of the tests.
> 
> Perhaps a new site html5testtest.com is needed?

Thanks for the insight; I have noticed the website hasn't been 
maintained for a while now.  It does still provide some interesting 
info, though.
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Steve
11/20/2020 7:46:24 PM
🐴 Mr. Ed 🐴 via support-seamonkey wrote:
> The long list of "Know Issues" for 2.53.5 will keep me from upgrading.
> https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/

As far as I can see, it's exactly the same as the list for 2.53.4 
<https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.4/> - which is 
the version your user-agent header indicates you're currently using.


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mozilla
11/20/2020 9:38:32 PM
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
> 
> It took OpenSuse until 10 days ago before they finally released a 2.53.x 
> version via the standard repositories (their Mozilla Test repository has been 
> kept current since around 21 April) and the reason for that was that there was 
> apparently a loss of functionality between the last 2.49.x level and the 
> 2.53.x line.

Yes what was the loss of functionality? It't can't be bigger/greater than Fx 
52 to 57 or higher. I know they had compile problmes. IanN even gave up trying 
to build a test release under OpenSuse.

> Of course that does not explain why they stuck at 2.49.4 rather than 2.49.5.
> This mattered to me because:
> - a new version of OpenSuse Leap was released with 2.49.4
> - the update process (I think) changed the default for html from Firefox to 
> Seamonkey so opening an html page nuked my (migrated) Seamonkey profile.
> At least that happened on my test machine so no real data was lost.

Profiles were always in different locations. Changing default browsers should 
never inflict a profile loss. If this was the case it was not an official 
release doing this and that is what I talk about. The official release works 
fine on OpenSuse because that was what I run on my backup server.

There is really one obstacle and that is migration from pre 2.53.x to the 
later nss with a master password in place. That is basically why the backup 
profile before upgrading warning is still in place. Andthere may be problmes 
with ancient add-ons and themes too. It can't be helped. Either someone 
updates them or they are gone.

There may be reasons to stay on an older release but citing the growing list 
of known problems is just laughable. Older releases had far more problems.

That said everyone can do what he/she wants.

FRG
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Frank
11/21/2020 12:09:34 AM
Steve Wendt wrote:
> On 11/20/2020 1:22 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> 
>> Personally I am not impressed by the format. Looks impressive on paper only. 
>> I doubt anyone other than google needs it in the real world and they are now 
>> already working on webp2.
> 
> I found this nice article a while back:
> https://siipo.la/blog/is-webp-really-better-than-jpeg

Yes I read this too and agree. But I don't think it is even worth it for small 
images.

Personally I think compression level has reached a peak. Everything you do now 
compromises quality in some way.

Still using good old zip too. Compression is not that good but very convenient 
to have something which works on almost every system out of the box. Same with 
gif, png and jpeg. If something comes around which does this we can talk 
again. webp and almost anything developed by google isn't it. Unfortunately 
needs to be supported to an extent too.

FRG (backwards yokel)
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Frank
11/21/2020 12:16:59 AM
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
>>
>> It took OpenSuse until 10 days ago before they finally released a 
>> 2.53.x version via the standard repositories (their Mozilla Test 
>> repository has been kept current since around 21 April) and the reason 
>> for that was that there was apparently a loss of functionality between 
>> the last 2.49.x level and the 2.53.x line.
> 
> Yes what was the loss of functionality? It't can't be bigger/greater 
> than Fx 52 to 57 or higher. I know they had compile problmes. IanN even 
> gave up trying to build a test release under OpenSuse.
> 
>> Of course that does not explain why they stuck at 2.49.4 rather than 
>> 2.49.5.
>> This mattered to me because:
>> - a new version of OpenSuse Leap was released with 2.49.4
>> - the update process (I think) changed the default for html from 
>> Firefox to Seamonkey so opening an html page nuked my (migrated) 
>> Seamonkey profile.
>> At least that happened on my test machine so no real data was lost.
> 
> Profiles were always in different locations. Changing default browsers 
> should never inflict a profile loss. If this was the case it was not an 
> official release doing this and that is what I talk about. The official 
> release works fine on OpenSuse because that was what I run on my backup 
> server.

Before Upgrade: 2.53.3 (at a guess, or maybe 2.53.2)
After Upgrade: 2.49.4
This was an upgrade of OpenSuse, "before" used their test repository, 
"after" did not.  What could possibly go wrong?


> 
> There is really one obstacle and that is migration from pre 2.53.x to 
> the later nss with a master password in place. That is basically why the 
> backup profile before upgrading warning is still in place. Andthere may 
> be problmes with ancient add-ons and themes too. It can't be helped. 
> Either someone updates them or they are gone.
> 
> There may be reasons to stay on an older release but citing the growing 
> list of known problems is just laughable. Older releases had far more 
> problems.
> 
I have seen no missing functionality since upgrading to 2.53.4, but it 
was the reason cited when we asked what the holdup was.  There have been 
a couple of "issues" with "save as" not working as before (or in one 
case, at all) but Nuno Silva pointed me at the solution to the worst 
variation.

> That said everyone can do what he/she wants.
> 
> FRG


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Don
11/21/2020 9:18:49 AM
jcteyssier wrote:
> Edmund Wong a écrit :
>> Greetings,
>>
>> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
>> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
>> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.
>>
>> So please check out [1] or [2].
>>
>> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
>> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
>> out.
>>
>> Thanks to all involved.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>> Links:
>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Updated on 3 computers: works well as expected.
> I do not see any difference with previous one (2.53.4)

what types of computers?  OS?  version?
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Geoff
11/21/2020 8:51:05 PM
Geoff Welsh a écrit :
> jcteyssier wrote:
>> Edmund Wong a écrit :
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
>>> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
>>> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.
>>>
>>> So please check out [1] or [2].
>>>
>>> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
>>> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all involved.
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>>> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Updated on 3 computers: works well as expected.
>> I do not see any difference with previous one (2.53.4)
> 
> what types of computers?  OS?  version?
All computers with W10 pro
1 work laptop computer with  professional profil (on local disc) and 
personal profil (on network disk on nas at home): i swithch between the 
two profiles as needed when working from home (no access to nas when 
oustide of home).

1 personal laptop computer (old but still usefull thinkpad T61) with 
personal profil located on home nas.

1 personal destrop computer with same personal prilfile than the two 
above on nas.

Jean-Charles
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jcteyssier
11/22/2020 7:56:48 AM
Geoff Welsh a écrit :
> jcteyssier wrote:
>> Edmund Wong a écrit :
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
>>> 2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
>>> gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.
>>>
>>> So please check out [1] or [2].
>>>
>>> Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
>>> am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all involved.
>>>
>>> Edmund
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
>>> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Updated on 3 computers: works well as expected.
>> I do not see any difference with previous one (2.53.4)
> 
> what types of computers?  OS?  version?
Forget:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.5.1
FR version
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jcteyssier
11/22/2020 7:58:21 AM
Frank-Rainer Grahl a écrit :
> 
> Steve Wendt wrote:
>> On 11/20/2020 1:22 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I am not impressed by the format. Looks impressive on 
>>> paper only. I doubt anyone other than google needs it in the real 
>>> world and they are now already working on webp2.
>>
>> I found this nice article a while back:
>> https://siipo.la/blog/is-webp-really-better-than-jpeg
> 
> Yes I read this too and agree. But I don't think it is even worth it for 
> small images.
> 
> Personally I think compression level has reached a peak. Everything you 
> do now compromises quality in some way.
> 
> Still using good old zip too. Compression is not that good but very 
> convenient to have something which works on almost every system out of 
> the box. Same with gif, png and jpeg. If something comes around which 
> does this we can talk again. webp and almost anything developed by 
> google isn't it. Unfortunately needs to be supported to an extent too.
> 
> FRG (backwards yokel)
Still sometimes using .zip but from some years i prefer .7z files: in 
the past have problems with .zip (loss of empty folders: zip does not 
add it if empty and some software look at folder presence and not at 
what is inside). This occur with some zip tools  but not others; since i 
can not now the used tool for the received files it is risky for my usage.
7zip well configured gives smaller file (better compression) with no 
loss AND it add to top folder (zip does not by default) and this is what 
i want.

Jean-Charles
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jcteyssier
11/22/2020 8:11:42 AM
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>> Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
>>>
> 
> Before Upgrade: 2.53.3 (at a guess, or maybe 2.53.2)
> After Upgrade: 2.49.4
> This was an upgrade of OpenSuse, "before" used their test repository, "after" 
> did not.  What could possibly go wrong?
> 

Something only the openSuse maintainers can answer. The official versions 
never did it. Wonder if the profile was really lost or just downleveled. 
Usually results in bookmarks restored from the latest backup and stored 
passwords no longer there among other things.

Well anyway should not happen with any future 2.53.x releases. 257 will be 
"fun" again but still not ready by a mile.

FRG
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Frank
11/22/2020 12:31:31 PM
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
>> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>>> Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
>>>>
>>
>> Before Upgrade: 2.53.3 (at a guess, or maybe 2.53.2)
>> After Upgrade: 2.49.4
>> This was an upgrade of OpenSuse, "before" used their test repository, 
>> "after" did not.  What could possibly go wrong?
>>
> 
> Something only the openSuse maintainers can answer. The official 
> versions never did it. Wonder if the profile was really lost or just 
> downleveled. Usually results in bookmarks restored from the latest 
> backup and stored passwords no longer there among other things.
> 
> Well anyway should not happen with any future 2.53.x releases. 257 will 
> be "fun" again but still not ready by a mile.
> 
> FRG

It was not the maintainer - or his predecessor - both were on board. 
Once I saw that the passwords were gone I did not check for further ways 
it was damaged, it was only a copy of my "real" profile which was on 
another machine and I was more interested in the fact that the new 
OpenSuse level contained the old Seamonkey level.

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Don
11/22/2020 2:20:41 PM
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