Why Windows Isn't Hell Or Why Linux Isn't Bliss

I tend to think the latter. Not because I am not a Linux fan (I happily set up my Computer with Mandrake about two years ago, they
are still merrily in love), but because I have not heard anything new in the past two years. It is always "my god, not another
security hole in Windows 95/98/98SE/ME/2000/XP/Server 2003", "Microsoft aggressively bought company X", "Microsoft launches another
way to protect their software" and "Microsoft software is too exspensive". And Linux, on the other hand, is all bliss. Well, I think
Linux is not all "bliss". Linux would be all "bliss" if we forget the slow boot-up/shutdown times, if we forget the lousy hardware
support for, let's say, Ati products (Ati being the number two in graphics cards!), if we forget the "geek" image of Linux, if we
forget the fact that some distributions suddenly have to be paid for, if we forget that some distributions suddenly get
discontinued, if we forget the crappy way software is installed (with the exception of apt-get, or so I've heard). You can go the
same way when it comes to Windows. Windows would be all hell if we forget the ease with which it is installed, if we forget the
great hardware support, if we forget the uniform look of all the programs, if we forget InstallShield and look-a-likes, if we forget
the clear structure (Program Files, My Documents etc, and of course this only goes for the not-so-technical end-user), if we forget
Windows Update (still beats the Distribution-specific update tools, in my opinion).
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:24:41 -0400, 
"Johannes Niebach" <sniebach@sprint.ca> wrote:

> Linux would be all "bliss" if we forget the slow boot-up/shutdown times,

Hmm, my experience with Windows 95/98/2000, and Linux 7.3/8.0/9.0,
suggests that Windows takes longer, both ways.

> if we forget the lousy hardware support for, let's say, Ati products
> (Ati being the number two in graphics cards!), 

That's the hardware vendor, not the OS (can't be bothered, is restricted
from supporting Windows rivals, etc.).

Windows hardware support is far from perfect:  Many conflicts.  Hardware
developed without access to secret Windows business, so doesn't operate
in a compatible manner with the rest of the system.  Hardware developed
for one version of the OS for only a few months, then completely
discontinued software/driver development, never fixing serious bugs.

> forget the fact that some distributions suddenly have to be paid for,

That Windows has always cost too much, and endlessly empties your
wallet.

> if we forget that some distributions suddenly get discontinued,

Windows98SE anyone?  Still waiting to get a working version of that OS
that you paid for?  Perhaps you were content to keep using it, risking
the security flaws it's still riddled with, but you have to update,
because you can't interact with your friend using NetMeeting on
WindowsXP, thanks to some deliberate changes in an *application*.

> if we forget the crappy way software is installed (with the exception
> of apt-get, or so I've heard). You can go the same way when it comes
> to Windows.  Windows would be all hell if we forget the ease with
> which it is installed,

Pardon?  Let's try installing something in the directory that I want it
to go.  Let's try getting Windows to install applications (completely)
to another partition (no dross spread about), likewise getting them to
store all their data outside of C:\My documents or inside the program
directory.  Let's try getting Windows to co-operate when I've had to
swap removable drives, and Windows has juggled all the drive letters
around.  This update to DirectX cannot be uninstalled.  And so on...

> if we forget the great hardware support,

Yes, my hardware, bought about three years ago, which still doesn't work
properly, despite numerous updates.  Likewise with my OS.  (I'm talking
about Windows, by the way.)

> if we forget the clear structure (Program Files, My Documents etc, 

Yeah right....  Let's see.  A plethora of unrelated junk all dumped into
C:\Windows.  "My documents" full of things which aren't "my" documents,
nor even "documents."  Programs that, still, can't handle the spaces in
those directory names.  User space dumped *inside* the operating system
directory (Windows/profiles).  Dangerous mixing together of application
and operating system files.

> Windows Update (still beats the Distribution-specific update tools,
> in my opinion).

Please reboot, several times (because you changed some insignificant
setting).  Please insert your Windows disk, you've change the IP of your
NIC, and I need to re-install TCP/IP files.

Windows is updating its settings, this might take a few minutes (then
spends 20 minutes doing something that my old Amiga did within seconds,
every time it booted up - sorting out the hardware and using the
appropriate drivers).

You didn't shut down your computer properly, scan disk found problems
(reality - *Windows* didn't shut down properly, and corrupted itself).

Typical annoying stupidity - Windows opening drivers in read/write mode,
and stuffing them during one of its many errors.  I've never understood
why Windows opens files that should be read-only, in a manner where it
can corrupt them.

Let's face it, the computing industry is "crap," whoever's behind it.
But none's crapper than Microsoft.  Windows is the biggest joke of the
century, with Bill Gates laughing all the way to the bank.

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Tim
7/27/2003 5:23:00 PM
Tim wrote:

<snip excellent comments>

Many thanks Tim, words right out of my mouth.

MC
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mc
7/28/2003 7:51:00 PM
In article <g618ivoe696nl7godtacfh801lefv2366v@4ax.com>, 
admin@sheerhell.lan says...
<>
> > if we forget the lousy hardware support for, let's say, Ati products
> > (Ati being the number two in graphics cards!), 
> 
> That's the hardware vendor, not the OS (can't be bothered, is restricted
> from supporting Windows rivals, etc.).

It really doesn't matter whose fault it is - 
the fact is hardware driver support for linux is mostly non-existant.
And some of what there is it takes a real geek to install and get 
working.
<>
> > forget the fact that some distributions suddenly have to be paid for,
> 
> That Windows has always cost too much, and endlessly empties your
> wallet.

For what the average user gets and can use, I'd say something they can 
use is of a lot more value than something free....

> 
> > if we forget that some distributions suddenly get discontinued,
> 
> Windows98SE anyone? 

Are you serious ? Is that really supposed to be an example of something 
'suddenly discontinued' ?

> Still waiting to get a working version of that OS
> that you paid for?  Perhaps you were content to keep using it, risking
> the security flaws it's still riddled with,

Which unpatched OS security flaws would those be ?
<>
> Pardon?  Let's try installing something in the directory that I want it
> to go.

Pardon ? Let's try and get a linux newbie to understand where anything 
is supposed to be installed. See if you can use most RPM's to install 
into the directory you desire.
<> 
> Yes, my hardware, bought about three years ago, which still doesn't work
> properly, despite numerous updates. 

Better than my 4+ yr old scanner that still doesn't work under linux. Or 
my camera. 

<>
> Let's face it, the computing industry is "crap," whoever's behind it.
> But none's crapper than Microsoft.  Windows is the biggest joke of the
> century, with Bill Gates laughing all the way to the bank.
> 
Yes, and he will be until *nic becomes as user friendly for what the 
average user want to use his computer for.

Don't get me wrong - I love my debian ... but many of the points about 
the problems with linux are valid, even if some of them also apply to 
windows..
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bloated_elvis
7/29/2003 4:39:00 AM
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