In previous threads my colleque was accused of lazyness stc because he 
didn't look and respond in the other threads first when asking for a 64 bit 
version.

So ok, i thought i would take a look and see how many threads there accually 
are about it.

[how many threads]
Searching for 'Delphi 64' on the forum returns 35 threads for this year. of 
which 17 are really 64 bit compiler related (other are asking if Delphi runs 
on 64bit systems etc)

So the claim that there are over 100 threads is over the top.

[how many workarounds]
There was also a claim that a lot of workarounds are mentioned in those 
threads. Well maybe they are hidden somewere in all the off topic reply's 
but i didn't found them. Would love to be proven wrong however.

[bottomline]
So yes if you take you're time you can find information about the
- roadmap, showing 3 versions of delphi being worked on
- crossplatform having the highest priority
- roadmaps are no promises, but it leaves open why 64bit has been on it for 
over 4 years now.
- all threads become very chatty because we miss real hard numbers, i hope 
we will see some polls in the near future on this on several sites.

Martijn Van der Kooij wrote:

> Searching for 'Delphi 64' on the forum returns 35 threads for this
> year. of which 17 are really 64 bit compiler related (other are
> asking if Delphi runs on 64bit systems etc)
> 
> So the claim that there are over 100 threads is over the top.

I don't know who claimed that. But you have proven that there are
plenty, so why the fuss?
-- 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)        http://www.teamb.com

"The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep."
 -- Clinton aide George Stephanopolous speaking on Larry 
    King Live

>> So the claim that there are over 100 threads is over the top.
>
> I don't know who claimed that.

It was the first reply to that thread by Ken White:
>Are you really so lazy you can't read any of the other 100 threads about 
>Delphi 64, and have to start a new one instead?

>>>> [how many threads]
>>>> Searching for 'Delphi 64' on the forum returns 35 threads 
>>>> for this year of which 17 are really 64 bit compiler related 
>>>> (other are asking if Delphi runs on 64bit systems etc)

>>> So the claim that there are over 100 threads is over the top.

>> I don't know who claimed that.
 
> It was the first reply to that thread by Ken White:

So maybe Mr. White writes for a newspaper! <g>  Or could 
there have been > 100 threads if all years were counted?

>  Or could there have been > 100 threads if all years were counted?

Search for "Delphi 64" for the Delphi forum + subforums without year 
restrction:
Search Results » Messages: 42 - Search Terms: delphi 64

just curious:
All:    Search Results » Messages: 42 - Search Terms: delphi 64
7 days: Search Results » Messages: 46 - Search Terms: delphi 64
30 days: Search Results » Messages: 49 - Search Terms: delphi 64
90 days: Search Results » Messages: 25 - Search Terms: delphi 64
This year: Search Results » Messages: 35 - Search Terms: delphi 64
Last year: Search Results » Messages: 42 - Search Terms: delphi 64

funny results. looks like the 7 and 30 days also returns results with only 
Delphi in it or something like that.

Martijn Van der Kooij wrote:

> > Or could there have been > 100 threads if all years were counted?
> 
> Search for "Delphi 64" for the Delphi forum + subforums without year
> restrction:  Search Results » Messages: 42 - Search Terms: delphi 64

The forums don't exist for that long yet, so you won't find the many
threads on the old server. <g>

-- 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)        http://www.teamb.com

"The government of the United States does not, in its policies,
 express the decency of its people."
 -- Jerry Fresia

"Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> wrote in message 
news:184950@forums.codegear.com...
> Martijn Van der Kooij wrote:
>
>> Searching for 'Delphi 64' on the forum returns 35 threads for this
>> year. of which 17 are really 64 bit compiler related (other are
>> asking if Delphi runs on 64bit systems etc)
>>
>> So the claim that there are over 100 threads is over the top.
>
> I don't know who claimed that. But you have proven that there are
> plenty, so why the fuss?

17 threads in a year is not "plenty". Just today there were 6 new threads in 
just this one newsgroup and the day is not fully complete yet.

John Jacobson wrote:

> "Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> wrote in message 
> news:184950@forums.codegear.com...
> > Martijn Van der Kooij wrote:
> > 
> >> Searching for 'Delphi 64' on the forum returns 35 threads for this
> >> year. of which 17 are really 64 bit compiler related (other are
> >> asking if Delphi runs on 64bit systems etc)
> > > 
> >> So the claim that there are over 100 threads is over the top.
> > 
> > I don't know who claimed that. But you have proven that there are
> > plenty, so why the fuss?
> 
> 17 threads in a year is not "plenty". 

35 you mean. Yes, it is, especially since they seem to come in batches.
<g>


-- 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)        http://www.teamb.com

"Say what you will about the Ten Commandments, you must always
 come back to the pleasant fact that there are only ten of them."
 -- H. L. Mencken

Rudy Velthuis <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> wrote in message 
<185272@forums.codegear.com>
> "Say what you will about the Ten Commandments, you must always
>  come back to the pleasant fact that there are only ten of them."
>  -- H. L. Mencken

Actually the fact that there are ten of them is purely arbitrary. Nowhere in 
the Bible does it refer to the ten commandments, and in fact the part of the 
Bible that contains the "Ten Commandments" also contains plenty of other 
commandments that are not differentiated from the "Ten Commandments", except in 
the fact that modern Christians find them too inconvenient and so ignore them. 
Good examples are the absurd dietary and behavior rules like maintaining a 
kosher kitchen and stoning people that even so much as suggest following a 
different  religion.

-- 
***Free Your Mind***

Posted with JSNewsreader Preview 0.9.7.5042

[ Followup-To: embarcadero.public.off-topic ]

that windows server are now only in 64 bit ! and more they not work 
anymore very well (windows 2008 R2) with 32 bit app ! all my delphi
app not work in it (DEP problem, APPCrash, etc..) :(

Delphi 64 must be a top of the top priority !

stephane

Martijn Van der Kooij wrote:
> In previous threads my colleque was accused of lazyness stc because he 
> didn't look and respond in the other threads first when asking for a 64 bit 
> version.
> 
> So ok, i thought i would take a look and see how many threads there accually 
> are about it.
> 
> [how many threads]
> Searching for 'Delphi 64' on the forum returns 35 threads for this year. of 
> which 17 are really 64 bit compiler related (other are asking if Delphi runs 
> on 64bit systems etc)
> 
> So the claim that there are over 100 threads is over the top.
> 
> [how many workarounds]
> There was also a claim that a lot of workarounds are mentioned in those 
> threads. Well maybe they are hidden somewere in all the off topic reply's 
> but i didn't found them. Would love to be proven wrong however.
> 
> [bottomline]
> So yes if you take you're time you can find information about the
> - roadmap, showing 3 versions of delphi being worked on
> - crossplatform having the highest priority
> - roadmaps are no promises, but it leaves open why 64bit has been on it for 
> over 4 years now.
> - all threads become very chatty because we miss real hard numbers, i hope 
> we will see some polls in the near future on this on several sites.

> that windows server are now only in 64 bit ! and more they not work
> anymore very well (windows 2008 R2) with 32 bit app ! all my delphi
> app not work in it (DEP problem, APPCrash, etc..) :(
>
Don't hold you're breath, if you need it soon you better start migrating to 
Visual Studio or take a look at Free Pascal if you dare.

loki loki wrote:
> that windows server are now only in 64 bit ! and more they not work 
> anymore very well (windows 2008 R2) with 32 bit app ! all my delphi
> app not work in it (DEP problem, APPCrash, etc..) :(

Then you're doing something wrong. The normal Windows Server 2008 editions run 32-Bit software just fine (with some known restrictions that were discussed in this forums several times).

-- 
Regards
Jens

If you are keen to search other 100 threads that Ken White replied to, you 
can easily find out it's just the way he talks. And it's up to you to decide 
how seriously you want to take it.

"Martijn Van der Kooij" <Gabberkooij@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:184958@forums.codegear.com...
>>> So the claim that there are over 100 threads is over the top.
>>
>> I don't know who claimed that.
>
> It was the first reply to that thread by Ken White:
>>Are you really so lazy you can't read any of the other 100 threads about 
>>Delphi 64, and have to start a new one instead?

> If you are keen to search other 100 threads that Ken White replied to, you
> can easily find out it's just the way he talks. And it's up to you to 
> decide
> how seriously you want to take it.
>

Well i had no particular reason to investigate his replies, maybe after a 
while i will know how he tend to talk and react accordingly.
But i always start with taking people very seriously. And time tells if that 
is correct or not.

Martijn

Jens Mühlenhoff wrote:
> loki loki wrote:
>> that windows server are now only in 64 bit ! and more they not work 
>> anymore very well (windows 2008 R2) with 32 bit app ! all my delphi
>> app not work in it (DEP problem, APPCrash, etc..) :(
> 
> Then you're doing something wrong. The normal Windows Server 2008 editions run 32-Bit software just fine (with some known restrictions that were discussed in this forums several times).
> 

yes, the 2008, but not the R2 :)
but in fact i don't know if it's a 64bit bug or simple an API bug... 
need to investigate

Martijn Van der Kooij wrote:
>> that windows server are now only in 64 bit ! and more they not work
>> anymore very well (windows 2008 R2) with 32 bit app ! all my delphi
>> app not work in it (DEP problem, APPCrash, etc..) :(
>>
> Don't hold you're breath, if you need it soon you better start migrating to 
> Visual Studio or take a look at Free Pascal if you dare.

why ? the next version of Delphi will be not 64bit? hard to belive !

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

> John Jacobson wrote:
> 
> > 17 threads in a year is not "plenty". 
> 
> 35 you mean. Yes, it is, especially since they seem to come in
> batches.  <g>

But that's only 2 point something % of all threads posted so far this
year, makes me wonder if it really is such a hot item <g,d&r>

-- 
Pieter

"Christians are supposed not merely to endure change, nor even
 to profit by it, but to cause it."
 -- Harry Emerson Fosdick

Pieter Zijlstra wrote:

> Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
> 
> > John Jacobson wrote:
> > 
> > > 17 threads in a year is not "plenty". 
> > 
> > 35 you mean. Yes, it is, especially since they seem to come in
> > batches.  <g>
> 
> But that's only 2 point something % of all threads posted so far this
> year, makes me wonder if it really is such a hot item <g,d&r>

These threads stick out. <g>

-- 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)        http://www.teamb.com

"A pint of sweat, saves a gallon of blood."
 -- General George S. Patton (1885-1945)

> {quote:title=loki loki wrote:}
> > Don't hold you're breath, if you need it soon you better start migrating to 
> > Visual Studio or take a look at Free Pascal if you dare.
> 
> why ? the next version of Delphi will be not 64bit? hard to belive !
{quote}

See the 5 other threads this month ;-)

In short: as long as the focus has shifted to croscompiling for mac/linux it will be at least one version after the next. Which means with a yearly release we can not expect it before summer 2011.

> {quote:title=Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:}
> > But that's only 2 point something % of all threads posted so far this
> > year, makes me wonder if it really is such a hot item <g,d&r>
> 
> These threads stick out. <g>
> 
{quote}

Well they tend to grow veeery large indeed, and they get a lot of readings at least people seems to be interested... <g>

Martijn Van der Kooij wrote:

> > {quote:title=loki loki wrote:}
> > > Don't hold you're breath, if you need it soon you better start
> > > migrating to Visual Studio or take a look at Free Pascal if you
> > > dare.
> > 
> > why ? the next version of Delphi will be not 64bit? hard to belive !
> {quote}
> 
> See the 5 other threads this month ;-)
> 
> In short: as long as the focus has shifted to croscompiling for
> mac/linux

The focus has shifted to supporting multiple platforms (including the
Mac OS). Nothing says that Win64 can't be one of those.

-- 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)        http://www.teamb.com

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."  
 -- Albert Einstein

> {quote:title=Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:}
> > In short: as long as the focus has shifted to croscompiling for
> > mac/linux
> 
> The focus has shifted to supporting multiple platforms (including the
> Mac OS). Nothing says that Win64 can't be one of those.
> 
{quote}

It would be very sweet if they come up with Mac + Linux + Windows support in both 32 and 64 forms. However I doubt it is the case otherwise they didn't need 2 different projects on the roadmap for it. It is really big to pull off at once.

It is just my biggest fear that the Mac and Linux supports will eat so many resources away that another release is needed before it is ready for prime time. I know there are very capable people working on Delphi. I think they did great job with the 2010 version. It's a pity that there is not enough reason for us to use that version in our company (TNT controls filled the unicode gap for us a few years ago).

Martijn Van der Kooij wrote:

> > {quote:title=Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:}
> > > But that's only 2 point something % of all threads posted so far
> > > this year, makes me wonder if it really is such a hot item <g,d&r>
> > 
> > These threads stick out. <g>
> > 
> {quote}
> 
> Well they tend to grow veeery large indeed, 

Well sort of ...

> and they get a lot of readings

I don't/can't measure that.

> at least people seems to be interested... <g>

Maybe not as much they should :-(

-- 
Pieter

"The total absence of humor in the Bible is one of the most
 singular things in all literature."
 -- Alfred North Whitehead

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

> Martijn Van der Kooij wrote:
> 
> > > {quote:title=loki loki wrote:}
> > > > Don't hold you're breath, if you need it soon you better start
> > > > migrating to Visual Studio or take a look at Free Pascal if you
> > > > dare.
> > > 
> > > why ? the next version of Delphi will be not 64bit? hard to
> > > belive !
> > {quote}
> > 
> > See the 5 other threads this month ;-)
> > 
> > In short: as long as the focus has shifted to croscompiling for
> > mac/linux
> 
> The focus has shifted to supporting multiple platforms (including the
> Mac OS). Nothing says that Win64 can't be one of those.

Nothing says Win64 *will* be one of those, some might even conclude
given the current info that Win64 might be after including the Mac OS.

-- 
Pieter

"We could have saved the Earth but we were too damned cheap."
 -- Kurt Vonnegut

Pieter Zijlstra wrote:

> > The focus has shifted to supporting multiple platforms (including
> > the Mac OS). Nothing says that Win64 can't be one of those.
> 
> Nothing says Win64 will be one of those, some might even conclude
> given the current info that Win64 might be after including the Mac OS.

Like I said, it is clear that both are being developed. We also know
that they are working on new front- and back-ends. What is not clear is
which one or what will be ready first.

-- 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)        http://www.teamb.com

"I know of no crime that has not been defended by the church,
 in one form or other. The church is not a pioneer; it accepts a
 new truth, last of all, and only when denial has become
 useless."
 -- Robert G. Ingersoll

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

> Pieter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> > > The focus has shifted to supporting multiple platforms (including
> > > the Mac OS). Nothing says that Win64 can't be one of those.
> > 
> > Nothing says Win64 will be one of those, some might even conclude
> > given the current info that Win64 might be after including the Mac
> > OS.
> 
> Like I said, it is clear that both are being developed. We also know
> that they are working on new front- and back-ends. 

That part is clear.

> What is not clear is which one or what will be ready first.

.... or maybe both?

This is the part which worries some here and that is something you and
I cannot change.

-- 
Pieter

ICTOARTCYAODHTIOTSSIWRTNCAHICGAWI, Acronym: "I Can't Think Of 
 Anything Reasonable To Counter Your Argument Or Don't Have The 
 Least Inkling Of The Subject So I Will Resort To Name Calling 
 And Hope I Can Get Away With It." 
 -- Ken de Camargo, borland.public.off-topic

Martijn Van der Kooij wrote:
> In previous threads my colleque was accused of lazyness stc because he 
> didn't look and respond in the other threads first when asking for a 64 bit 
> version.
> 

I understand your frustration and I personally hope that 64 bit follows soon 
after cross-platform support.

On the other hand, IF EmbarcaCG can/does implement cross platform support in a 
consistent and useful way, it'll be a real coup and I bet they are banking on it 
to no insignificant degree.  I don't think there is anything that come remotely 
close to Delphi's type of development and productivity for cross platform 
development.

Personally, I would have liked to see cross-platform capability for non-gui apps 
first, followed by 64 bit and then GUI apps for cross platform.

Being able to compile a delphi based web service or daemon application on Linux 
servers would be the bees knees for me since lately I am doing a lot of Flex 
development with a Delphi 2009 backend.  Hosted Linux VPS servers are cheaper 
than Windows counterparts.

--
Warm Regards,

Lee

Lee Jenkins wrote:

> 
> Personally, I would have liked to see cross-platform capability for
> non-gui apps first, followed by 64 bit and then GUI apps for cross
> platform.


My personal preference would be to have Win 64 first. The multiplatform
is simply "nice to have" thing and I can certainly wait for it few more
yaers.


Regards,
Zenon

Zenon Jordan wrote:
> Lee Jenkins wrote:
> 
>> Personally, I would have liked to see cross-platform capability for
>> non-gui apps first, followed by 64 bit and then GUI apps for cross
>> platform.
> 
> 
> My personal preference would be to have Win 64 first. The multiplatform
> is simply "nice to have" thing and I can certainly wait for it few more
> yaers.
> 

Understood.  I would also like to see 64 bit support.  Not really for any 
performance gains (more memory usage for instance) though from my standpoint, 
simple compatibility without WOW indirections, etc.

On the other hand, I think we need to keep an eye out for swelling the ranks of 
Delphi users, lest our community become like one of those sci-fi movies where 
there are only adults dying off and no children are born.

If CGadero pulls it off in the right way, it'll leave Delphi as best cross 
platform development environment available and that, I personally believe will 
pull in new blood to our community.

--
Warm Regards,

Lee

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:36:59 -0800, Lee Jenkins <lee@nospam.net>
wrote:

>Understood.  I would also like to see 64 bit support.  Not really for any 
>performance gains (more memory usage for instance) though from my standpoint, 
>simple compatibility without WOW indirections, etc.
>
>On the other hand, I think we need to keep an eye out for swelling the ranks of 
>Delphi users, lest our community become like one of those sci-fi movies where 
>there are only adults dying off and no children are born.

I don't see that there's any big incompatibility here.

Perpetuating the community requires some low cost/free option for
students and hobbyists.  It doesn't require any new language features.

on 11/20/2009, Pieter Zijlstra supposed :
> "The total absence of humor in the Bible is one of the most
>  singular things in all literature."
>  -- Alfred North Whitehead
> 
Very curious.

Certianly a lot of the humor is subtle,
but it is hard to believe that anyone
can actually read it and not see *any*
of the humor.

He must have read the Cliff notes version.

Brad.