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Similar to my last question about DUnit, what about Want? Is Want what I want when it comes to a build too, or has Want been found wanting (at least in comparison to something else)?

What about the SmartBear/AutomatedQA offerings in these areas? Are they viable/worth the effort to learn/worth the $?

Again, I need comments/suggestions relative to Delphi 7 only.
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1/30/2012 5:16:36 PM
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On 2012-01-30 12:16:36 -0500, Clay Shannon <> said:

> What about the SmartBear/AutomatedQA offerings in these areas? Are they 
> viable/worth the effort to learn/worth the $?

Not sure if those are the only one's your looking at, so you also might 
want to consider VisualBuild Pro.  I have a copy because it was on sale 
one time, but I don't have a lot of experience with it.

http://www.kinook.com/VisBuildPro/

There's also FinalBuilder.  Popular, but I have not used it either.

http://www.finalbuilder.com/

--
Kevin Powick
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Kevin
1/30/2012 7:32:17 PM
> {quote:title=Clay Shannon wrote:}{quote}
> Similar to my last question about DUnit, what about Want? Is Want what I want when it comes to a build too, or has Want been found wanting (at least in comparison to something else)?

I have been using FinalBuilder with a lot of success.  I've run in to some projects that don't build easily with the light version of FinalBuilder now shipping with Delphi, so I have been taking advantage of MSuild from the command line.

I haven't used Want, so can't comment.


> What about the SmartBear/AutomatedQA offerings in these areas? Are they viable/worth the effort to learn/worth the $?

I haven't used their build tools, but I've been a little turned off by SmartBear's tools since they've changed their pricing and licensing.


> Again, I need comments/suggestions relative to Delphi 7 only.

Batch files were a lot more painful in Delphi 7.  I can highly recommend FinalBuilder, though.

--
Regards
Bruce McGee
Glooscap Software
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Bruce
1/30/2012 7:41:27 PM
I have used both a few years ago in parallel. For my purposes both worked, the challenge has been a lot more demanding these days.

If I would have to decide today, I would simply choose for Finalbuilder there is no need to have both.

I am not totally sure if there is maybe an advantage concerning integration of Smartbear Family tools. Usually Finalbuilder is more than enough.

Tend to agree with you, if someone can use Erics Sampling profiler and uses Finalbuilder, it's a good opportunity to avoid ... especially licensing. I tried to avoid another licensing experience.

Smartbear people are very friendly, very competent of course but one should be in the position to carry the toolbox. I was turned off when I read, 1 key ... then I said, it's ok it's your world.

If writing batches is to cumbersome maybe cygwin can help too.

Mike

> {quote:title=Bruce McGee wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=Clay Shannon wrote:}{quote}
> > Similar to my last question about DUnit, what about Want? Is Want what I want when it comes to a build too, or has Want been found wanting (at least in comparison to something else)?
> 
> I have been using FinalBuilder with a lot of success.  I've run in to some projects that don't build easily with the light version of FinalBuilder now shipping with Delphi, so I have been taking advantage of MSuild from the command line.
> 
> I haven't used Want, so can't comment.
> 
> 
> > What about the SmartBear/AutomatedQA offerings in these areas? Are they viable/worth the effort to learn/worth the $?
> 
> I haven't used their build tools, but I've been a little turned off by SmartBear's tools since they've changed their pricing and licensing.
> 
> 
> > Again, I need comments/suggestions relative to Delphi 7 only.
> 
> Batch files were a lot more painful in Delphi 7.  I can highly recommend FinalBuilder, though.
> 
> --
> Regards
> Bruce McGee
> Glooscap Software

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Michael
1/30/2012 7:55:06 PM
Bruce McGee wrote:

> I have been using FinalBuilder with a lot of success.

This tool is utterly indispensible.  And I love that it is written in
Delphi.

Highly, highly recommended.

-- 
Nick Hodges -- Product Development Manager
Gateway Ticketing Systems
http://www.gatewayticketing.com
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Nick
1/30/2012 9:55:31 PM
Clay Shannon  писал(а) в своём письме Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:16:36 +0400:

u may look at http://www.lazyproject.info/

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  who mastered counting to three, and those who did not yet.
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Dmitry
1/30/2012 11:00:26 PM
I've been using FB for 10 years, best money I've ever spent.
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Randy
1/31/2012 1:37:45 AM
Clay Shannon wrote:

> Similar to my last question about DUnit, what about Want? Is Want
> what I want when it comes to a build too, or has Want been found
> wanting (at least in comparison to something else)?

FinalBuilder is what I use and recommend.
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Jeremy
1/31/2012 6:42:57 AM
Agreed, in practice it works too. Aleksey T. is working hard on this ... The more input he gets the more he can extend. 

One sentence from the Author beside many others deeply impressed me, 'The more feedback I get, the more harder I work on it'. So guys give feedback.

Mike



> {quote:title=Dmitry Burov wrote:}{quote}
> Clay Shannon  писал(а) в своём письме Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:16:36 +0400:
> 
> u may look at http://www.lazyproject.info/
> 
> -- 
> Mathematicians can be split into those three categories: those
>   who mastered counting to three, and those who did not yet.

--
Michael Bunny [Team 101st Hareborne] Nuts!
Bunny @ Bugs - Shift + F7 - Insect of terror, face your faith like a man!
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Michael
1/31/2012 8:56:37 AM
Likewise. FinalBuilder transformed my development, and has excellent support. IMO,
no project should ever be written without a complete build script. Heck, it is
often the first thing I start now. I work on some projects that don't get updated
in over a year, and being able to make a minor modification (like adding a new
credit card type) and then run the script so I *know* that the build will be good,
and consistent, and uploaded to the right place, all without me having to remember
anything about how it is done is fantastic and comforting. 

I also inherited a project from someone killed in a car crash, and I really wished
that I had a script so that I could understand how it all fitted together. It took
months before I was confident.

/Matthew Jones/
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Matthew
1/31/2012 11:30:52 AM
> {quote:title=Nick Hodges wrote:}{quote}
> Bruce McGee wrote:
> 
> > I have been using FinalBuilder with a lot of success.
> 
> This tool is utterly indispensible.  And I love that it is written in
> Delphi.
> 
> Highly, highly recommended.
> 
> -- 
> Nick Hodges -- Product Development Manager

Wow! Rarely does any product get such consistent high praise; I downloaded the 30-day trial version.

The only bad/scary thing is, often you find the "perfect" tool for something, and then the employer, for whatever reason, doesn't/won't use it; highly "flustrating"!
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Clay
1/31/2012 3:16:44 PM
Clay Shannon  писал(а) в своём письме Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:16:44 +0400:

> The only bad/scary thing is, often you find the "perfect" tool for  
> something, and then the employer, for whatever reason, doesn't/won't use  
> it; highly "flustrating"!

If he does so,- and if he does not already use some build system, which  
seems to be the case,- then you can use some free system on your own.
You just handle him the sources as is, without builder and its  
configuration or as with free non-essential bonus

-- 
Mathematicians can be split into those three categories: those
  who mastered counting to three, and those who did not yet.
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Dmitry
1/31/2012 7:54:44 PM
Tell him also Joel Spolsky uses Finalbuilder, maybe such a reference counts:)
http://www.finalbuilder.com/customers.aspx

I used for  a long time a project planning tool from an Intel company for USD300 ... worked perfect, almost no one knew. 10 years later MS also reached in some parts their products capabilities.


> {quote:title=Clay Shannon wrote:}{quote}
> The only bad/scary thing is, often you find the "perfect" tool for something, and then the employer, for whatever reason, doesn't/won't use it; highly "flustrating"!

--
Michael Bunny [Team 101st Hareborne] Nuts!
Bunny @ Bugs - Shift + F7 - Insect of terror, face your faith like a man!
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Michael
1/31/2012 8:08:21 PM
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