I am being told that Delphi XE5 with firemonkey will not work on the current range of Samsung tablets even if they have Android 4 is that true?

If so I will be very disappointed having invested thousands of pounds and a few hundred hours to adopt the technology on the promise I can now deploy to Android mobile devices.  When I run even the most simple Hello World app I simply get a black screen on my brand new Samsung tablet.  I am told it only works on Android devices with a ARMv7 CPU supporting NEON instruction sets. If this is the case developers need to know that I have been told today by one of the major suppliers in the UK, Vodafone that it
 does not have any Android tablets in its range that is compatible with Delphi XE5.

Can someone confirm this or if your using a new Samsung tablet please tell me if it works!

Has anyone bought a 3g/4g tablet from Vodafone this year and deployed a Delphi firemonkey app to it?

Edited by: Clive Morgan on Dec 4, 2013 7:21 PM

if the tablet does not have the NEON CPU support then it wont work
but it will work on samsung devives that do have that
(e.g a samsung phone)

it is a shame that it wont work on non NEON devices
because it seems that even new device are not all having NEON CPU feature

> {quote:title=Clive Morgan wrote:}{quote}
> I am being told that Delphi XE5 with firemonkey will not work on the current range of Samsung tablets even if they have Android 4 is that true?
> 
> If so I will be very disappointed having invested thousands of pounds and a few hundred hours to adopt the technology on the promise I can now deploy to Android mobile devices.  When I run even the most simple Hello World app I simply get a black screen on my brand new Samsung tablet.  I am told it only works on Android devices with a ARMv7 CPU supporting NEON instruction sets. If this is the case developers need to know that I have been told today by one of the major suppliers in the UK, Vodafone that 
it does not have any Android tablets in its range that is compatible with Delphi XE5.
> 
> Can someone confirm this or if your using a new Samsung tablet please tell me if it works!
> 
> Has anyone bought a 3g/4g tablet from Vodafone this year and deployed a Delphi firemonkey app to it?
> 
> Edited by: Clive Morgan on Dec 4, 2013 7:21 PM

On 12/04/2013 3:23 PM, Clive Morgan wrote:
> I am being told that Delphi XE5 with firemonkey will not work on the current range of Samsung tablets even if they have Android 4 is that true?

That would be true.  Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 runs on an Intel CPU, and not 
ARM.  If I'm not mistaken that information should be available via one 
of the settings option on the tablet.  Also, it is mentioned on 
Samsung's website.  That is the downside of developing against the 
Android NDK(which targets more directly the hardware and the kernel of 
the host OS), instead of the Android SDK(which targets Dalvik, the Java 
environment).

>
> If so I will be very disappointed having invested thousands of pounds and a few hundred hours to adopt the technology on the promise I can now deploy to Android mobile devices.  When I run even the most simple Hello World app I simply get a black screen on my brand new Samsung tablet.  I am told it only works on Android devices with a ARMv7 CPU supporting NEON instruction sets. If this is the case developers need to know that I have been told today by one of the major suppliers in the UK, Vodafone that 
it
>   does not have any Android tablets in its range that is compatible with Delphi XE5.

Unfortunately, that is what you just experienced.  And, you are not the 
first one, as there are other references in this forum.

Embarcadero has mentioned that they are investigating and working on an 
Intel compiler for Android.  But, when it will be available, is 
anybody's guess.

Daniel Rail

> {quote:title=Daniel Rail wrote:}{quote}
> On 12/04/2013 3:23 PM, Clive Morgan wrote:
> > I am being told that Delphi XE5 with firemonkey will not work on the current range of Samsung tablets even if they have Android 4 is that true?
> 
> That would be true.  Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 runs on an Intel CPU, and not 
> ARM.  If I'm not mistaken that information should be available via one 
> of the settings option on the tablet.  Also, it is mentioned on 
> Samsung's website.  That is the downside of developing against the 
> Android NDK(which targets more directly the hardware and the kernel of 
> the host OS), instead of the Android SDK(which targets Dalvik, the Java 
> environment).
> 
> >
> > If so I will be very disappointed having invested thousands of pounds and a few hundred hours to adopt the technology on the promise I can now deploy to Android mobile devices.  When I run even the most simple Hello World app I simply get a black screen on my brand new Samsung tablet.  I am told it only works on Android devices with a ARMv7 CPU supporting NEON instruction sets. If this is the case developers need to know that I have been told today by one of the major suppliers in the UK, Vodafone tha
t it
> >   does not have any Android tablets in its range that is compatible with Delphi XE5.
> 
> Unfortunately, that is what you just experienced.  And, you are not the 
> first one, as there are other references in this forum.
> 
> Embarcadero has mentioned that they are investigating and working on an 
> Intel compiler for Android.  But, when it will be available, is 
> anybody's guess.
> 
> Daniel Rail

> {quote:title=Clive Morgan wrote:}{quote}
> I am being told that Delphi XE5 with firemonkey will not work on the current range of Samsung tablets even if they have Android 4 is that true?
> 
> Can someone confirm this or if your using a new Samsung tablet please tell me if it works!
> 
> Has anyone bought a 3g/4g tablet from Vodafone this year and deployed a Delphi firemonkey app to it?

Hello Clive,

Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014) 3G/4G (SM-P605) (Android 4.3) is fine. Checked with both XE5 samples and my own apps. More devices tested here

http://delphi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Devices_Supported_for_Application_Development

/Lars

Edited by: Lars Gustafsson on Dec 9, 2013 1:33 AM

Hello,

Please recheck any funny Samsung units with XE5 Update 2 :)

It now works with my Galaxy Tab3 7inch, which was not running under Update1.

Happy days :)

I am also very disappointed AND frustrated. One of our customers bought a bunch of Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 in order to run our app in his company. So imagine the complaints we have had to handle. Really hope that Embarcadero comes up with a solution very soon.

> {quote:title=Clive Morgan wrote:}{quote}
> I am being told that Delphi XE5 with firemonkey will not work on the current range of Samsung tablets even if they have Android 4 is that true?
> 
> If so I will be very disappointed having invested thousands of pounds and a few hundred hours to adopt the technology on the promise I can now deploy to Android mobile devices.  When I run even the most simple Hello World app I simply get a black screen on my brand new Samsung tablet.  I am told it only works on Android devices with a ARMv7 CPU supporting NEON instruction sets. If this is the case developers need to know that I have been told today by one of the major suppliers in the UK, Vodafone that 
it does not have any Android tablets in its range that is compatible with Delphi XE5.
> 
> Can someone confirm this or if your using a new Samsung tablet please tell me if it works!
> 
> Has anyone bought a 3g/4g tablet from Vodafone this year and deployed a Delphi firemonkey app to it?
> 
> Edited by: Clive Morgan on Dec 4, 2013 7:21 PM

Edited by: Niels Hosbond Petersen on Dec 16, 2013 8:00 AM

> {quote:title=Walter Rautenbac wrote:}{quote}
> Hello,
> 
> Please recheck any funny Samsung units with XE5 Update 2 :)
> 
> It now works with my Galaxy Tab3 7inch, which was not running under Update1.
> 
> Happy days :)

Yep, Samsung changed the graphics chip on their newer devices and we addressed in update 2.
--
John Frazier (Embarcadero Newsgroup Admin)

> {quote:title=Daniel Rail wrote:}{quote}
> Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 runs on an Intel CPU, and not ARM.

Not true.  GT3 is ARM/NEON and works fine.
--
John Frazier (Embarcadero Newsgroup Admin)

> {quote:title=Niels Hosbond Petersen wrote:}{quote}
> I am also very disappointed AND frustrated. One of our customers bought a bunch of Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 in order to run our app in his company.
> So imagine the complaints we have had to handle. Really hope that Embarcadero comes up with a solution very soon.

Make sure you are using XE5 update 2.  Let us know if that works for you, it should.
--
John Frazier (Embarcadero Newsgroup Admin)

John wrote:

> Not true.  GT3 is ARM/NEON and works fine.

Look at the compatibility list on the Delphi wiki (http://delphi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Devices_Supported_for_Application_Development). 
 Not all of the Tab 3 models use ARM chips.

--
Remy Lebeau (TeamB)

> {quote:title=Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:}{quote}
> John wrote:
> 
> > Not true.  GT3 is ARM/NEON and works fine.
> 
> Look at the compatibility list on the Delphi wiki (http://delphi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Devices_Supported_for_Application_Development). 
>  Not all of the Tab 3 models use ARM chips.

Great, way to go Samsung.  Thanks for the update.

--
John Frazier (Embarcadero Newsgroup Admin)

> {quote:title=John Frazier wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=Niels Hosbond Petersen wrote:}{quote}
> > I am also very disappointed AND frustrated. One of our customers bought a bunch of Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 in order to run our app in his company.
> > So imagine the complaints we have had to handle. Really hope that Embarcadero comes up with a solution very soon.
> 
> Make sure you are using XE5 update 2.  Let us know if that works for you, it should.
> --

Samsung Galaxy Tab 3, 8 inches (model T311, probably T310 also ( = minus 3G) ) seems to works fine with update 2. To debug, I had to install Samsung Kies (there is a mentioning of Google Usb Driver in the docs, but this is applicable only to Nexus devices I suppose).

Maxim wrote:

> Samsung Galaxy Tab 3, 8 inches (model T311, probably T310 also
> ( = minus 3G) ) seems to works fine with update 2.

Can you please run the test projects mentioned on the Delphi wiki (http://delphi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Devices_Supported_for_Application_Development) 
and post the results there?

--
Remy Lebeau (TeamB)

> Can you please run the test projects mentioned on the Delphi wiki (http://delphi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Devices_Supported_for_Application_Development) 
> and post the results there?
> 
> --
> Remy Lebeau (TeamB)

Remy, what should I do to to post my reports, I see direct editing, but dare not to edit the table directly. 
Thanks

Maxim wrote:

> Remy, what should I do to to post my reports, I see direct
> editing, but dare not to edit the table directly.

Yes, you need to directly edit the table.  Simply create a new row for your 
tablet and fill in the cells for that row as needed.  Make sure you put your 
tablet in the right location based on its Android version (this requirement 
is clearly stated on the top of the webpage).  The table editor provides 
both visual editing and raw code editing.

--
Remy Lebeau (TeamB)

> {quote:title=Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:}{quote}
> Maxim wrote:
> 
> > Remy, what should I do to to post my reports, I see direct
> > editing, but dare not to edit the table directly.
> 
> Yes, you need to directly edit the table.  Simply create a new row for your 
> tablet

Thanks, right in despair you would never reply :) I did similar actions to what you explained.

> {quote:title=Niels Hosbond Petersen wrote:}{quote}
> I am also very disappointed AND frustrated. One of our customers bought a bunch of Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 in order to run our app in his company. So imagine the complaints we have had to handle. Really hope that Embarcadero comes up with a solution very soon.
> 
> > {quote:title=Clive Morgan wrote:}{quote}
> > I am being told that Delphi XE5 with firemonkey will not work on the current range of Samsung tablets even if they have Android 4 is that true?
> > 
> > If so I will be very disappointed having invested thousands of pounds and a few hundred hours to adopt the technology on the promise I can now deploy to Android mobile devices.  When I run even the most simple Hello World app I simply get a black screen on my brand new Samsung tablet.  I am told it only works on Android devices with a ARMv7 CPU supporting NEON instruction sets. If this is the case developers need to know that I have been told today by one of the major suppliers in the UK, Vodafone tha
t it does not have any Android tablets in its range that is compatible with Delphi XE5.
> > 
> > Can someone confirm this or if your using a new Samsung tablet please tell me if it works!
> > 
> > Has anyone bought a 3g/4g tablet from Vodafone this year and deployed a Delphi firemonkey app to it?
> > 
> > Edited by: Clive Morgan on Dec 4, 2013 7:21 PM
> 
> Edited by: Niels Hosbond Petersen on Dec 16, 2013 8:00 AM




""disappointed AND frustrated. ""   those are the words.

The ARM NEON processor is a huge limitation.   
I live in southamerica and the new galaxy tabs came here with Intel chips.

maybe Embarcadero team is working to find a solution,
but the current owners of delphi XE5 will no reach that solution,  because it will be
a NEW feature for XE6 or XE7.  (or in the worst scenario, we have to pay an extra :(   )


I have the feeling that I bought XE5 for nothing :(

is very difficult for me to search a device compatible with the list http://delphi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Devices_Supported_for_Application_Development

> {quote:title=Freddy Bueno wrote:}{quote}
> 
> ""disappointed AND frustrated. ""   those are the words.
> 
> The ARM NEON processor is a huge limitation.   
> I live in southamerica and the new galaxy tabs came here with Intel chips.
> 

David I mentioned on his blog that they are looking into supporting Intel chips for
Android. However, when such solution will be implemented I have no idea.

> maybe Embarcadero team is working to find a solution,
> but the current owners of delphi XE5 will no reach that solution,  because it will be
> a NEW feature for XE6 or XE7.  (or in the worst scenario, we have to pay an extra :(   )
> 

Current release only gets bug fixes and not new features (and even that only until new
release comes out). So if they provide support for Intel CPU on Android that will most 
certainly be in some new version you will have to pay to get unless you have active SA. 
If you are interested in mobile development with Delphi, then I strongly suggest getting
SA because it has been said that they are going to have two releases each year to
be able to stay on top of changes in mobile world and improving their mobile frameworks
and features.

Dalija Prasnikar