Delphi FireMonkey project / testComplete and MSAA
Hi I am actualy working on a new team project developped using FireMonkey. We want to create automated tests with TestComplete which is already used to run tests on some VCL projects. Unfortunatly, we discovered that TestComplete is not directly compatible with FireMonkey application, it only sees the windows but not the controls on it. Making some research we, found that TestComplete is able to identify controls thanks to MSAA. So we created a really short project (only one form with some controls) using the FireMonkey Accessibility Pack in order to look at TestComplete's behavior. TestComplete was then able to see the controls, but not to interact with them. We continued our investigation and found a windows SDK utility wich shows control's MSAA informations (inspect.exe). Using it we saw that some MSAA properties are not present in fmx controls. It seems that testComplete's impossibilty to communicate with controls comes from a incorrect implementation of MSAA, but we only used supported controls. So now we are stuck, and don't know how to perform tests on our application.
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Utf
6/17/2015 3:08:26 PM
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Am 17.06.2015 um 17:08 schrieb mickaël clément: > Hi > > I am actualy working on a new team project developped using FireMonkey. We want to create automated tests with TestComplete which is already used to run tests on some VCL projects. > > Unfortunatly, we discovered that TestComplete is not directly compatible with FireMonkey application, it only sees the windows but not the controls on it. > > Making some research we, found that TestComplete is able to identify controls thanks to MSAA. So we created a really short project (only one form with some controls) using the FireMonkey Accessibility Pack in order to look at TestComplete's behavior. > > TestComplete was then able to see the controls, but not to interact with them. > > We continued our investigation and found a windows SDK utility wich shows control's MSAA informations (inspect.exe). Using it we saw that some MSAA properties are not present in fmx controls. > > It seems that testComplete's impossibilty to communicate with controls comes from a incorrect implementation of MSAA, but we only used supported controls. > > > So now we are stuck, and don't know how to perform tests on our application. > Hello, while I'd agree that either native FMX support implemented by SmartBear (did you already request this from them, because if nobody does they won't do anything about it!) or good MSAA support by FMX would be the better solutions TestComplete is also able to do screenshot comparisons and just click anywhere with the mouse (at least there's some high precision mouse mode which should be able to do this) and afaik it could do OCR if needed. But of course that are only the last ressort options. So where's your Smartbear FMX support petition now? ;-) Greetings Markus
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Markus
6/17/2015 8:37:40 PM
Am 17.06.2015 um 17:08 schrieb mickaël clément: > Hi > > I am actualy working on a new team project developped using FireMonkey. We want to create automated tests with TestComplete which is already used to run tests on some VCL projects. > > Unfortunatly, we discovered that TestComplete is not directly compatible with FireMonkey application, it only sees the windows but not the controls on it. > > Making some research we, found that TestComplete is able to identify controls thanks to MSAA. So we created a really short project (only one form with some controls) using the FireMonkey Accessibility Pack in order to look at TestComplete's behavior. > > TestComplete was then able to see the controls, but not to interact with them. > > We continued our investigation and found a windows SDK utility wich shows control's MSAA informations (inspect.exe). Using it we saw that some MSAA properties are not present in fmx controls. > > It seems that testComplete's impossibilty to communicate with controls comes from a incorrect implementation of MSAA, but we only used supported controls. > > > So now we are stuck, and don't know how to perform tests on our application. > Hello, while I'd agree that either native FMX support implemented by SmartBear (did you already request this from them, because if nobody does they won't do anything about it!) or good MSAA support by FMX would be the better solutions TestComplete is also able to do screenshot comparisons and just click anywhere with the mouse (at least there's some high precision mouse mode which should be able to do this) and afaik it could do OCR if needed. But of course that are only the last ressort options. So where's your Smartbear FMX support petition now? ;-) Greetings Markus
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Markus
6/17/2015 8:44:18 PM
Run it via Thinfinity and then use the web based TestComplete? http://www.cybelesoft.com/thinfinity/virtualui/
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Eli
6/20/2015 12:21:44 PM
Am 20.06.2015 um 14:21 schrieb Eli M: > Run it via Thinfinity and then use the web based TestComplete? > > http://www.cybelesoft.com/thinfinity/virtualui/ > But please only after telling Smartbear that you want native FMX support in TestComplete! If nobody tells them they will not act. I want them to act too! Greetings Markus
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Markus
6/22/2015 6:44:23 PM
Hello, Thanks for your answer. We already took contact with SmartBear support, and they told us they are working on Firemonkey compatibility. Unfortunately, OCR will not be useful in our case. Actually the best way we have to do automated tests, is the low level mode testing.But it's not a really good solution because our app, will have to evolve to follow specifications independents of our will. But it seems we will not have the choice while TestComplete is not compatible with Firemonkey. However, we will take a look at Eli's proposal. Kind Regards.
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Vuillet
6/24/2015 6:56:00 AM
> {quote:title=Vuillet Laurent wrote:}{quote}
> Hello, Thanks for your answer.
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> We already took contact with SmartBear support, and they told us they are working on Firemonkey compatibility.
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> Unfortunately, OCR will not be useful in our case. Actually the best way we have to do automated tests, is the low level mode testing.But it's not a really good solution because our app, will have to evolve to follow specifications independents of our will. But it seems we will not have the choice while TestComplete is not compatible with Firemonkey.
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> However, we will take a look at Eli's proposal.
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> Kind Regards.
Sorry, I did not see I was connect with a colleague's account, consider this message from me.
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Utf
6/24/2015 7:08:16 AM
Am 24.06.2015 um 08:56 schrieb Vuillet Laurent: > Hello, Thanks for your answer. > > We already took contact with SmartBear support, and they told us they are working on Firemonkey compatibility. > > Unfortunately, OCR will not be useful in our case. Actually the best way we have to do automated tests, is the low level mode testing.But it's not a really good solution because our app, will have to evolve to follow specifications independents of our will. But it seems we will not have the choice while TestComplete is not compatible with Firemonkey. > > However, we will take a look at Eli's proposal. > > Kind Regards. > Hello, good to hear you contacted them and they do something about it. I hope they also do it for Android! Did you ask about that as well? Greetings Markus
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6/24/2015 4:50:23 PM
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